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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3
Crnogorac3
28 Sep 2022 #3422
It does not bode well!
The US Embassy calls on American citizens to leave Russia immediately. Earlier, Poland and Bulgaria called on their citizens to leave Russia.
mafketis
28 Sep 2022 #3423
The USA POS did this, as they say, three in one...
I'm still 50/50 on US vs russia here... both had opportunity and motive.... waiting for more info before making up my mind...
johnny reb
28 Sep 2022 #3424
The US Embassy calls on American citizens to leave Russia immediately.
This could mean only one thing...... :-o
It's show time !
Atch
28 Sep 2022 #3427
It does not bode well!
You'd love to be nuked, wouldn't you? Governments are warning their citizens to leave Russia because there's a chance they'll end up being press-ganged into the Russian army. Simples.
amiga500
28 Sep 2022 #3428
This could mean only one thing...... :-o
It's show time !
It's show time !
don't jizz your pants just yet, more like martial law and closed borders
mafketis
28 Sep 2022 #3429
Of course it may well be neither...
Think opportunity, means and motive....
Ukraine: doesn't have the means or opportunity (how'd they get to the Baltic?)
Poland: does Poland have the means? Was Sikorski a pre-emptive attempt to shift responsibility elsewhere?
Who else?
Paulina
28 Sep 2022 #3430
I'm still 50/50 on US vs russia here... both had opportunity and motive....
Considering how careful US has been so far, I somehow doubt the US did it... What would be the point? RuSSia has shut down the pipeline anyway and the EU needs this gas... So the US would be working against it's European allies... This makes no sense... I think there's a possibility that RuSSia decided that it will sell it's gas elsewhere and decided to put a cross on Nordstream already. In order to sell this decision to the RuSSian public they will claim it was a "terror act". So they will deprive Europe of gas and set the RuSSian society against the West even more in one go.
That's just my guess though, because blowing it up doesn't make sense to me for any side of the conflict, really... (and if something doesn't makes sense, it most likely means that RuSSia did it lol)
Poland: does Poland have the means? Was Sikorski a pre-emptive attempt to shift responsibility elsewhere?
Are you kidding... lol No way Poland would do such a thing. And it's enough to look at how PiS attacked Sikorski for suggesting that the US did it.
mafketis
28 Sep 2022 #3431
Of course it may well be neither...
Are you suggesting the UK?
means and motive, but... opportunity?
Paulina
28 Sep 2022 #3432
@maf, I think Western countries are simply too sane to blow up a pipeline.
And, again, what would be the point of damaging it?
Crnogorac3
28 Sep 2022 #3433
George Friedman (Stratford 2015) EXPLAINED EVERYTHING regarding Ukraine and the future
youtu.be/s3ADseSEz4A
Novichok
28 Sep 2022 #3434
It's show time !
That kind of showtime would leave no place safe. Poland included.
But, as we know so very well from the past, Poles don't mind dying in large numbers to feel good and noble.
mafketis
28 Sep 2022 #3435
what would be the point of damaging it?
removing NS 1 and 2 as bargaining chips? reminding Germany that they can't do their own deal with russia....
removing a big earner for russia (though oil prices are what need to come down).
giving russia a taste of its own medicine (number one russian strategy is to sow chaos, but something tells me they don't like being on the receiving end....)
Paulina
28 Sep 2022 #3436
@maf, do you think the US or the UK would risk worsening their relations with Europe by doing something like this? I somehow don't see this happening...
removing NS 1 and 2 as bargaining chips?
RuSSia did it on it's own by behaving the way it does. And RuSSia cut off the gas to Europe anyway. So what would be the point of such an extreme measure?
giving russia a taste of its own medicine
From what I've noticed the West is too reasonable and responsible for something like this (unlike RuSSia).
Crnogorac3
28 Sep 2022 #3437
You see, Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that's right next to it and just opened today
65D undersea chess!
twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1574947720464171008
Bratwurst Boy
28 Sep 2022 #3438
removing NS 1 and 2 as bargaining chips? reminding Germany that they can't do their own deal with russia....
The CIA warned Germany about impending attacks on the pipelines....so.....
gumishu
28 Sep 2022 #3439
What about Joe Biden's statement in the first weeks of the war, has everyone forgotten about that?
I consider them the words of an old demented man who wants to sound as a strong leader - my personal take is Russians played into Biden's words to excuse an escalation (mostly for the home turf) - I may be wrong though - one peculiar thing that would point to the US as the perpatrator is that they didn't deny their involvement so far (as far as I know)
Crnogorac3
28 Sep 2022 #3440
Did pro-ukrainian forum members get instructions on what to write? That America is guilty of sabotage on the gas pipeline as Tucker C said or will the mantra go on that the Russians destroyed their gas pipeline? I'm guessing the media you're reading hasn't decided how to position themselves on this yet. :)
gumishu
28 Sep 2022 #3441
Mind-boggling. What an idiot. I'm honestly disappointed. I thought he's more professional than that.
I'm sorry but I think most of the PO cadres are that level of professionalism (think Leszczyna as the main expert on state finances) - they just had a friendly-media umbrella when in power (the media criticising PO regime were niche media, few and far between)
Paulina
28 Sep 2022 #3442
Did pro-ukrainian forum members get instructions on what to write?
We don't get any instructions from anyone - we're normal people who don't know what happened and so we're just speculating.
I'm sorry but I think most of the PO cadres are that level of professionalism
I don't know about all of their cadres, I'm talking about Sikorski. I've seen him in the past in interviews and debates on foreign media, BBC for example, and he was great.
Novichok
28 Sep 2022 #3443
George Friedman (Stratford 2015) EXPLAINED EVERYTHING
...by saying (not an exact quote):
The US controls all the oceans and that is why it can invade them but they can't invade us.
So, naive PF boys and girls, do yourself a favor and quit mumbling about just and moral. "Just" and "moral" are carried aboard the 11 US aircraft carriers and 5200 fighter planes.
Crnogorac3
28 Sep 2022 #3444
t.me/arbaletgovorit/4779
The Chinese media are not even mocking the EU and Germany over this, it is more about disappointment. Even the Chinese are sad to see how miserable they are.
gumishu
28 Sep 2022 #3445
The Russians blowing up their gas pipeline, which is used to finance the war, makes sense.
the pipeline(s) weren't pumping gas to Europe since the end of August (previosly they significatnly lowered the gas flow through NS1 - NS2 was never used to transport gas to Europe)
I'm talking about Sikorski
here's a short blurb of an interview with Cenckiewicz on Sikorski - the interview is from 2014
niezalezna.pl/56712-kim-naprawde-jest-minister-sikorski-slawomir-cenckiewicz-ujawnia-obejrzyj
it nicely corroborates with his infamous twit
Bratwurst Boy
28 Sep 2022 #3446
....maybe climate activists? A radical end of fossil transport??? Just wild thinking....
gumishu
28 Sep 2022 #3447
maybe climate activists
climate activists who have equipment for a 50 meter dive, a couple of hundrends of dynamite worth of explosives and coordination to do it all in a span of 12, maximum 24 hours ? - if this was perpatrated by Americans this would have been abhorrently cynical (and goddamn irresponsible)
mafketis
28 Sep 2022 #3448
maybe climate activists?
Quck! Does anybody know where Greta was at the time?
PolAmKrakow
28 Sep 2022 #3449
And just after the NS lines are blown up, Russia has a beef with Ukraine in how they handled the transport of their gas through Ukraine. Now they threaten to shut that line down because they can not get the hearing they want in Zurich due to sanctions. Funny how all these things happen at once with Russia. Coincidence? Not a Fing chance.
The Us had nothing to do with this. Russian typical way of doing business. They know those lines are gone forever so why not use them for something now? Children playing war games. And Putin is the retarded child who holds the keys to the bombs.
gumishu
28 Sep 2022 #3450
Does anybody know where Greta was at the time?
hahahha, that was so funny :)