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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3



jon357
28 Sep 2022  #3421

apocalyptic events

For r*SSia....

Crnogorac3
28 Sep 2022  #3422

It does not bode well!

The US Embassy calls on American citizens to leave Russia immediately. Earlier, Poland and Bulgaria called on their citizens to leave Russia.

mafketis
28 Sep 2022  #3423

The USA POS did this, as they say, three in one...

I'm still 50/50 on US vs russia here... both had opportunity and motive.... waiting for more info before making up my mind...

johnny reb
28 Sep 2022  #3424

The US Embassy calls on American citizens to leave Russia immediately.

This could mean only one thing...... :-o
It's show time !

jon357
28 Sep 2022  #3425

I'm still 50/50 on US vs russia

Of course it may well be neither...

Paulina
28 Sep 2022  #3426

RuSSian soldiers were smoking again? lol

Atch
28 Sep 2022  #3427

It does not bode well!

You'd love to be nuked, wouldn't you? Governments are warning their citizens to leave Russia because there's a chance they'll end up being press-ganged into the Russian army. Simples.

amiga500
28 Sep 2022  #3428

This could mean only one thing...... :-o
It's show time !

don't jizz your pants just yet, more like martial law and closed borders

mafketis
28 Sep 2022  #3429

Of course it may well be neither...

Think opportunity, means and motive....

Ukraine: doesn't have the means or opportunity (how'd they get to the Baltic?)

Poland: does Poland have the means? Was Sikorski a pre-emptive attempt to shift responsibility elsewhere?

Who else?

Paulina
28 Sep 2022  #3430

I'm still 50/50 on US vs russia here... both had opportunity and motive....

Considering how careful US has been so far, I somehow doubt the US did it... What would be the point? RuSSia has shut down the pipeline anyway and the EU needs this gas... So the US would be working against it's European allies... This makes no sense... I think there's a possibility that RuSSia decided that it will sell it's gas elsewhere and decided to put a cross on Nordstream already. In order to sell this decision to the RuSSian public they will claim it was a "terror act". So they will deprive Europe of gas and set the RuSSian society against the West even more in one go.

That's just my guess though, because blowing it up doesn't make sense to me for any side of the conflict, really... (and if something doesn't makes sense, it most likely means that RuSSia did it lol)

Poland: does Poland have the means? Was Sikorski a pre-emptive attempt to shift responsibility elsewhere?

Are you kidding... lol No way Poland would do such a thing. And it's enough to look at how PiS attacked Sikorski for suggesting that the US did it.

mafketis
28 Sep 2022  #3431

Of course it may well be neither...

Are you suggesting the UK?

means and motive, but... opportunity?

Paulina
28 Sep 2022  #3432

@maf, I think Western countries are simply too sane to blow up a pipeline.

And, again, what would be the point of damaging it?

Crnogorac3
28 Sep 2022  #3433

George Friedman (Stratford 2015) EXPLAINED EVERYTHING regarding Ukraine and the future

youtu.be/s3ADseSEz4A

Novichok
28 Sep 2022  #3434

It's show time !

That kind of showtime would leave no place safe. Poland included.

But, as we know so very well from the past, Poles don't mind dying in large numbers to feel good and noble.

mafketis
28 Sep 2022  #3435

what would be the point of damaging it?

removing NS 1 and 2 as bargaining chips? reminding Germany that they can't do their own deal with russia....

removing a big earner for russia (though oil prices are what need to come down).

giving russia a taste of its own medicine (number one russian strategy is to sow chaos, but something tells me they don't like being on the receiving end....)

Paulina
28 Sep 2022  #3436

@maf, do you think the US or the UK would risk worsening their relations with Europe by doing something like this? I somehow don't see this happening...

removing NS 1 and 2 as bargaining chips?

RuSSia did it on it's own by behaving the way it does. And RuSSia cut off the gas to Europe anyway. So what would be the point of such an extreme measure?

giving russia a taste of its own medicine

From what I've noticed the West is too reasonable and responsible for something like this (unlike RuSSia).

Crnogorac3
28 Sep 2022  #3437

You see, Russia blew up their own pipeline but NOT the Norway-EU pipeline that's right next to it and just opened today

65D undersea chess!


twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1574947720464171008

Bratwurst Boy
28 Sep 2022  #3438

removing NS 1 and 2 as bargaining chips? reminding Germany that they can't do their own deal with russia....

The CIA warned Germany about impending attacks on the pipelines....so.....

gumishu
28 Sep 2022  #3439

What about Joe Biden's statement in the first weeks of the war, has everyone forgotten about that?

I consider them the words of an old demented man who wants to sound as a strong leader - my personal take is Russians played into Biden's words to excuse an escalation (mostly for the home turf) - I may be wrong though - one peculiar thing that would point to the US as the perpatrator is that they didn't deny their involvement so far (as far as I know)

Crnogorac3
28 Sep 2022  #3440

Did pro-ukrainian forum members get instructions on what to write? That America is guilty of sabotage on the gas pipeline as Tucker C said or will the mantra go on that the Russians destroyed their gas pipeline? I'm guessing the media you're reading hasn't decided how to position themselves on this yet. :)

gumishu
28 Sep 2022  #3441

Mind-boggling. What an idiot. I'm honestly disappointed. I thought he's more professional than that.

I'm sorry but I think most of the PO cadres are that level of professionalism (think Leszczyna as the main expert on state finances) - they just had a friendly-media umbrella when in power (the media criticising PO regime were niche media, few and far between)

Paulina
28 Sep 2022  #3442

Did pro-ukrainian forum members get instructions on what to write?

We don't get any instructions from anyone - we're normal people who don't know what happened and so we're just speculating.

I'm sorry but I think most of the PO cadres are that level of professionalism

I don't know about all of their cadres, I'm talking about Sikorski. I've seen him in the past in interviews and debates on foreign media, BBC for example, and he was great.

Novichok
28 Sep 2022  #3443

George Friedman (Stratford 2015) EXPLAINED EVERYTHING

...by saying (not an exact quote):

The US controls all the oceans and that is why it can invade them but they can't invade us.

So, naive PF boys and girls, do yourself a favor and quit mumbling about just and moral. "Just" and "moral" are carried aboard the 11 US aircraft carriers and 5200 fighter planes.

Crnogorac3
28 Sep 2022  #3444

t.me/arbaletgovorit/4779

The Chinese media are not even mocking the EU and Germany over this, it is more about disappointment. Even the Chinese are sad to see how miserable they are.

gumishu
28 Sep 2022  #3445

The Russians blowing up their gas pipeline, which is used to finance the war, makes sense.

the pipeline(s) weren't pumping gas to Europe since the end of August (previosly they significatnly lowered the gas flow through NS1 - NS2 was never used to transport gas to Europe)

I'm talking about Sikorski

here's a short blurb of an interview with Cenckiewicz on Sikorski - the interview is from 2014

niezalezna.pl/56712-kim-naprawde-jest-minister-sikorski-slawomir-cenckiewicz-ujawnia-obejrzyj

it nicely corroborates with his infamous twit

Bratwurst Boy
28 Sep 2022  #3446

....maybe climate activists? A radical end of fossil transport??? Just wild thinking....

gumishu
28 Sep 2022  #3447

maybe climate activists

climate activists who have equipment for a 50 meter dive, a couple of hundrends of dynamite worth of explosives and coordination to do it all in a span of 12, maximum 24 hours ? - if this was perpatrated by Americans this would have been abhorrently cynical (and goddamn irresponsible)

mafketis
28 Sep 2022  #3448

maybe climate activists?

Quck! Does anybody know where Greta was at the time?

PolAmKrakow
28 Sep 2022  #3449

And just after the NS lines are blown up, Russia has a beef with Ukraine in how they handled the transport of their gas through Ukraine. Now they threaten to shut that line down because they can not get the hearing they want in Zurich due to sanctions. Funny how all these things happen at once with Russia. Coincidence? Not a Fing chance.

The Us had nothing to do with this. Russian typical way of doing business. They know those lines are gone forever so why not use them for something now? Children playing war games. And Putin is the retarded child who holds the keys to the bombs.

gumishu
28 Sep 2022  #3450

Does anybody know where Greta was at the time?

hahahha, that was so funny :)


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