Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

I also opposed the Iraq war as did about 70 percent of Western Europeans and maybe 40 percent of Americans

We get it - it was illegal and brutal. And one of the worst effects was to discredit the UN and give rapist murderers like Putin a talking point

From now on cab any mention of Iraq just go in a separate thread or in random ?

@cms neuf
What talking point? If Ukraine had WoMD and a very hostile rhetoric towards the Russian Federation it would be fairly understood by the U.S.A and Russia would have same legitimacy as U.S.A in invading Iraq.

Somehow that seems to escape the Russian public, now the Russian Federation behaves very same way as Iraq did... the main difference is that there is no question about Russia having WoMD... Now is it? Basically 100% sure they do have it, and Putin cannot be reasoned with either.

So yeah, go figure

While the Russians mercilessly target hospitals and schools (because they are pathological patients who throw away 1 million dollars to destroy a children's playground), just look at how much consideration, precaution and care American soldiers give to avoid any possible collateral damage among Iraqi civilians.

twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1579405586156118017

What was the supposed reason for the hamerican $hit to attack and destroy Iraq again?

@Crnogorac3
Actual reason, Iraq had WoMD due being given to them by the Americans! Duh! It was destroyed fast enough thankfully.

Yet Ukraine, disarmed herself when given guarantees of safety by both U.S and Russia.

Yet Russia not only broke her obligations, but also threatens to use nuclear weapons on a country who volunteered to disarm herself from it.

I hope you do understand that?

Yesterday and past attacks on civillians are done to lower their morale and determine them to pressure leadership to sue for peace. That's what they are all about. It's a pi*spoor orc version of strategic bombing. The problem for Russia is they don't dare to send their planes to do it.They just send missiles and more than half are intercepted. They wiill achieve nothing but uniting Ukraine even more.

To scare people you need to do something like the allies did to Dresden in WW2 and Russia does not have the capability to do it. NATO can do it and will do it if Russia uses tactical nukes in Ukraine. Putler knows it and that's why he has not used them despite the threats.

Russian soldiers are entering Belarus by the trainload.
They're traveling in cattle cars, just a huge quantity.
"Just waves of trains arriving," a Belarusian source told Kyiv Post

this is an astonishing admission by russia's man in the DPR.... russia didn't come to kill Ukrainians but to persuade them... and if they don't want to be persuaded russia is willing to kill all of them....

sure this is about NATO.... pull the other one, while you're at it....

twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1579820810751324160

...just like in Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. To the best of my knowledge, nobody was charged with war crimes for those so it was OK to kill civilians to pressure the governments.

My advice to Z:

Hey, Z, send your best guys to help the Russians at the bridge to inspect them trucks and prevent another one from going boom.
You do realize that this stunt made Putin look good, don't you...

That's not what Vlad said.

He said (paraphrasing): I want legal and binding guarantees that Ukraine will be neutral and the Russian parts of Ukraine will be allowed to self-determine their future through an internationally supervised referendum. Z said no and that is why Russians let the locals have them in the four regions. Somebody had to do it to follow the letter and the spirit of the UN Charter - just like in Kosovo. BTW, no law requires a referendum to be justified. The will of the people is all that's needed.

The reasons why they want to go a separate way are irrelevant. Like in Canada and Scotland.

I don't understand why it is so difficult for you to believe in the fact that RuSSians are pathological if you yourself, who's supporting those pathological RuSSians, are morally, mentally and intelectually pathological.

This is a good example of either your moral or intelectual pathology:


THIS IS A LIE. You're a pathological liar, just like RuSSians are. He didn't write that. This is what he wrote:

"Ще окупований Куп'янськ, Харківська область. Цивільне населення. Розплата буде!

Відео взяте з телефона окупанта."

My translation:

"More from occupied Kupyansk, Kharkiv region. Civillians. There will be payback!

The video was taken from an occupier's phone."

Even without that part about occupier's phone you would have to be pretty retarded in order not to understand what he wrote.

And that was not the whole video. Now that Zhorin guy posted a fragment showing what happened earlier. You can see two men escorting that almost naked man before he was thrown from that cliff - one of the men escorting him is wearing a RuSSian uniform.

And this is Zhorin's commentary:

"Для всіх тупих російських мразєй, які самі розігнали в мережі свій же злочин. Ось ще одна частина вчорашнього відео. Подивіться уважно на катів - кожному зрозуміло, що саме російські військові реалізували цю страту звичайних цивільних в окупованому місті.

Повне відео зараз у слідства. Російські солдати будуть ідентифіковані.
Розплата буде!"

My translation:

"For all the stupid Russian scumbags, who spread their own crimes on the internet. Here's another part of yesterday's video. Look carefully at the executioners - it is clear to everyone that it was Russian soldiers who carried out this execution in the occupied city.

The complete video is under investigation now. Russian soldiers will be identified.
There will be payback!"


I had a look at that "evidence" and it looks photoshopped to me (and sloppily at that! lol). And it doesn't matter anyway - firstly, I edit my posts all the time, secondly - even without that last sentence added the meaning of what he wrote is clear enough and it isn't what you claim it to be.

Crnogorac3, I've got to say that in a way I'm grateful for your stupidity this time. If it wasn't for you drawing my attention to this war crime I probably wouldn't know about what happened in Kupyansk and I wouldn't see this video. And if I didn't see this video, I wouldn't know what kind of RuSSian psychopaths were there in Kupyansk. After watching this part of the video now I know that this almost naked Ukrainian guy was alive shortly before they thrown him off the cliff and that they took him from downstairs where there was that pit with bodies to the top of that cliff. This means that they either thrown him from that cliff "for fun" to see and record how he will be thumbling down that cliff or he was alive and they wanted to give him painful, traumatic death in this way.

Either way - your idols are sick, twisted psychopaths and I hope that Ukrainians will get those war criminals one way or another.

Who is Vlad? That's not a russian name (or an abbreviation of one)....


If you're talking about putain (aka "Uncle Vova") he didn't say that, he said Ukraine is a phake and ghey concept created by the Soviets and they're really mixed up russians....

Recently on russian state TV they gave the game away about NATO, they weren't afraid of it at all.. one of the reasons they invaded was they thought it wouldn't be able to do anything about it.... (and they're taking troops from borders with current or future members of NATO to send to the Ukrainian meat grinder)

NATO as a reason for the invasion was a russian psyop to turn westerners against their governments ... and it worked, which means those who believe it are sukkkers!!!

Frajery! Sieroty! Ofiary! Jelenie!

At last!


spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/ukraine-hat-deutsches-luftabwehrsystem-erhalten-iris-t-a-c3302cf3-1b72-4ab4-9741-6baf379b082c

For months, the federal government has been promising Ukraine a modern air defense system. According to SPIEGEL information, the German Iris-T anti-aircraft weapon has now been handed over to the Ukrainian military.

Germany has handed over the first of four promised Iris-T SLM air defense systems to Ukraine . According to SPIEGEL information, the handover took place on Tuesday near the Polish-Ukrainian border.....

So.....we can be quick if we want to.....it just needed a terror attack at Ukraines capital!

.....interesting....

This promise was initially made for October in May, thus I doubt that this had much of an impact. It does however ahow that it was right to start producing weapons that can only help mid- to long-term since this war will sadly drag on for quite some time.

What worries me though is that pictures have allegedly been leaked of the transport near Kattowice on the way to Ukraine. Hopefully future deliveries will remain save and secret until they arrive.

Why? Let them know what is coming, that future attacks won't be as easy anymore....that Ukraine gets stronger....should be bad for morale....hopefully!

Yeah, but doesn't that risk the Russians being able to intercept them? Imagine if the Iris had been destroyed on its'way... . Months of production gone up in smoke.

Mind you I am all for announcing the delivery once it arrived since the knowledge alone will firce the Russians to be more careful.

Okay....agreed.....now just a thought....the Ukrainians should be able to handle these systems, right? I wonder if they had some training.....

Tell me something new!


The IRIS systems are purely defensive....for guarding ukrainian civilian infrastructure (kindergartens, hospitals, schools, living areas) from russian bombs....so....

You do know Russia had to bail out their sole (?) remaining tank manufacturer because their domestic and export orders were not enough to keep it operational?

That is beside the point anyway as they can't make stuff like thermal vision domestically so they can't even produce tanks of the same (proven low) quality as before.

First steps into the EU:


ukrinform.net/rubric-economy/3588654-small-accession-to-eu-the-first-outcomes-of-the-customs-visafree-regime-for-ukraine.html

...So, over the past week, Ukrainian businesses have already been enjoying the benefits of the so-called 'customs visa-free regime', which, among other things, facilitates the international movement of goods between 35 Member States of the Conventions as much as possible: goods can cross any number of frontiers between them using a single transit document. This is a huge gain in time that is usually spent on the completion of documents and other customs formalities, as well as soothed nerves, minimized human factor risks and a considerable monetary benefit....

If they follow Step 2 and hit Ukraine with all you have ?

Old men, the disabled, teenagers, Syrians, Malians, bombs made of empty sprat cans, tanks with no tracks, airplanes that are sitting ducks, rifles from the Russo Japanese war (which Russia also lost BTW)

Even if you did that then your military would be so weakened it could no longer defend actual Russia (which doesn't include Donbas or Crimea, which no longer will include Krolowiec or Dagestan)

russia is not being asked to give up any part of russian territory... it is being ordered to remove itself from internationally recognized Ukrainian territory...


the problem here is that russia doesn't have that much... the strikes over the last couple of days have been notable for their lack of precision and military strategy... as one person on twitter said.... they're not against Ukraine they're for the russian domestic audience so they can see something being done...

good thread on generalsvr (usual caveats about reliability)

twitter.com/generalsvr_en/status/1579760680261259267

money quote: "(putain) has already lost the war. There is practically nothing to fight with. The escalation that the Russian leadership is embarking on is senseless and criminal and will lead to more victims among, above all, the Russian military"

Also he doesn't have the support he'd need for a nuclear attack...

As a general supposedly told him a few weeks ago: Вы проиграли, владимир владимирович! (You've lost Vladimir Vladimirovich!) but putain is not very smart and not a very fast or decisive figure so that information that's obvious to everyone else takes longer to make it to his brain....

Putin and RuSSia have lost but he is struggling for his own survival now coz he will be blamed as the one who started the lost war. That means a death sentence by his own men coz they won`t agree to send him to the Hague Tribunal for a fair trial on war crimes. They will kill him first to avoid such embarassment to RuSSia. Putin is catching at a straw to survive.

And it is obvious that if he loses his reason and decides to use nukes, he will be blocked by his mates who perfectly realise it will be the end of RuSSia.

Every new bomb that fell on Galicia makes region closer to Poland.

Before this Special operation we talked on this forum many times about reality of Ukraine. More or less we all agreed that Ukraine needs new borders. Now, if maiden didn`t happen, if EU (western Europe) supported with NATO didn`t enter in the Slavic world, process of formation of new countries in the whole of region would be peaceful, political. But now its violent process.

Don`t be stupid. Each new bomb and rocket makes Ukrainians hate RuSSians more and more. And other decent nations like Poles also hate RuSSians for what they are doing. I already told you - RuSSian crimes will be remembered for decades like Nazi crimes, 75 years after the WW2 and longer.

Why would you say that?


But Ukraine shrinking. People in regions starting loving Russia. In regions in preparation for joining to Russia people more and more hate EU and NATO. If all that sh*t happening to me, to put cross on myself, I know I would hate them.

Because you are losing time in a stupid way when you advocate that Poland should get a chunk of Ukraine. That won`t happen coz Poles are not interested. We told you many times.

Hungarians are a different matter, though. You can still work on them. However, there are none here. So, my conclusion was correct - you are losing time here. :):):)

Polish Defence24 portal, with a nice timing, published a piece on hypothetical missile shortages for Russian Forces.
defence24.pl/sily-zbrojne/kiedy-wreszcie-rosji-skoncza-sie-rakiety-analiza

TLDR: Russians used most of their arsenal in initial months of the war. They still have around ~2500 relatively modern missiles (+ unknown number of old Tochkas), whilist since the start of the conflict they used ~3700 missiles. However, they need those 2500 as a strategic reserve (in case of another trouble, you know, nukes need means of transportation too); for current terror campaign, they've used some of this hidden stash. Those missiles they've already fired were worth 1/4 of their annual military budget. Also, it's highly unlikely Russian industry is capable of producing enough missiles to cover those numbers, especially since f.e. Kalibrs use up to 70% of western electronics in their systems.

What you expect? That they say how Russians used only insignificant fraction of their arsenal in initial months of the war?

Think.

Yes, so we are right suggesting RuSSists are morons when they use up their shrinking supplies to attack civilians instead of military targets. Makes no sense at all coz the damaged infrustructure will be repaired soon, while casualties will only enrage Ukrainians more and make them more relentless in regaining their territory. Death to RuSSists!!!will reverbarate all over Ukraine.

Sane RuSSists already know it, that is why they are moving their families from endangered areas where they expect Ukrainian offensives back to RuSSia proper.

Back on topic edition 123,5.

The first such a case in Poland and even Europe!!! Whole world!

The Lower Silesian Human Rights Center located in Wrocław has filed a lawsuit against Russia for compensation for losses suffered by a 45-year-old refugee from Ukraine and her daughter as a result of the war.

Ałła came to Wrocław with her daughter from the Cherkassy region. She did not want to leave her husband or home, but the fear for the kid prevailed. - The lawsuit we filed on behalf of Ałła with the amount of compensation for the losses incurred in the amount of PLN 80 thousand PLN, already has a signature in the District Court - says Radosz Pawlikowski from the Lower Silesian Center for Human Rights

Now, when RuSSists refuse to pay the compensation on the ruling of a Polish court, the case will be taken to a European court. Then, the ruling will be valid all over Europe. RuSSian property and goods will be seized to cover the trial costs and pay the compensation.

And such cases will run in millions.
RuSSia is finished as a state.
Thank you Mr Putin!! You are doing such an excellent job in destroying RuSSia. hahahahaha