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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3



PolAmKrakow
10 Oct 2022  #4141

Germany delivers first of four IRIS air defense systems to Ukraine. Germany announced it was going to make this delivery months ago.

Tacitus
10 Oct 2022  #4142

To be precise, Germany said months ago that it would deliver the first once it had been produced, which would be in October in the earliest. Hopefully it is now only a matter of days instead of weeks.

Novichok
10 Oct 2022  #4143

Germany said months ago that it would deliver the first once...

...because Germany was treated very well by the Soviets in 1945. So, absolutely, you should try for a repeat.
Did you ever think about telling the US to get the fu*ck out and being a truly independent country pursuing its own Germany First objectives? What's your payback from sending anything to Ukraine that will result in more dead Russians - revenge for Stalingrad or a right to occupy the High Moral Ground?

Tacitus
10 Oct 2022  #4144

What's your payback from sending anything

We contribute to stopping an agressor who is endangering the peace in Europe. As a trade-oriented nation, peace and stability is in our interest. And ultimately, every shut down jet or destroyed tank is one less that may be aimed at our Eastern allies. If Ukraine prevails, not only will this preserve peace in Europe, but also weaken the Russian military to a degree so that we won't have to spend as much money as initially feared on defence.

Novichok
10 Oct 2022  #4145

but also weaken the Russian military to a degree so that we won't have to spend as much money as initially feared on defence.

Relax. Without the US you are nothing.

globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.php?form=form&country1=russia&country2=germany&Submit=COMPARE

You, Euros, are funny with that fear of the boogeyman and your Euro defense capabilities.

Russia attacking Western Europe ... sure...hahahahahaha...You all are mental with your RDS. Instead of sending what is clearly not enough to defend Germany from the "evil" Russia, send the US home, dissolve NATO just like the Soviets dissolved the Warsaw Pact and itself, and learn how to make more reliable cars.

Tacitus
10 Oct 2022  #4146

Without the US you are nothing.

Which is why we don't send them home. And the more we contribute to weaken Russia's military now, the less we are going to be exposed once the USA does leave Europe.

just like the Soviets dissolved the Warsaw Pact

No need to dissolve NATO, since unlike the Warsaw Pact, every member can leave it if they so choose.

Novichok
10 Oct 2022  #4147

For Russia to attack Western Europe, Russia needs:

1. A good reason
2. A desire
3. The means

Russia has neither. But that does not stop Western weasels from pretending that Russia has all three to keep the US and its MIC happy.

For the US and its who*res to subjugate Russia, the US and its who*res need:

1. A good reason
2. A desire
3. The means

The US and its who*res lack Item 3. That is why they go slow by encircling Russia and expanding NATO. Ukraine is just one more step of the process and Z a tool.

No, it's not about "democracy" since Western "democracies" are not democracies at all. Just check when they last time asked the voters if they want more migrants. Even migrants don't want more migrants - just like drunk drivers don't want more drunk drivers.

Joker
10 Oct 2022  #4148

Germany announced it was going to make this delivery months ago.

Dont hold your breath with those weasels.

Crow
10 Oct 2022  #4149

It was wise from Poland to allow arming of Serbia from Russia via Poland`s territory. We would need united front if we are to resist Germany and EU. As Jan Lopuzansky said in Parliament of Poland, to NATO, too.

Crnogorac3
10 Oct 2022  #4150

Palestinians love Putin

twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1579423692685467648

Alien
10 Oct 2022  #4151

@Crnogorac3
Palestinians love BMW and Mercedes.

Tacitus
10 Oct 2022  #4152

Russia has neither.

That did not stop them from trying to take Kiev. Ukraine will win this war, but at tremendous cost. Better to deter and weaken Russia than to fight them.

Western "democracies" are not democracies at all

Putin's war has disproven those nihiliatic views once again.

Crow
10 Oct 2022  #4153

That did not stop them from trying to take Kiev.

Believe man, when they decide to try to take Kiev, you would know.

Novichok
10 Oct 2022  #4154

Putin's war has disproven those nihiliatic views once again.

Snippets don't work. Either address the points I raised or say nothing.
The quoted sentence is pure garbage that cannot be responded to since the dots in it don't connect.

Did you even read my #4154?

Tacitus
10 Oct 2022  #4155

Your talking points have been adressed and refuted numerous times by now. There is no value in responsing to them in detail again since you either pretend or are genuily too stupid to understand basic principles of democracy and it distracts from the topic of this thread.

PolAmKrakow
10 Oct 2022  #4156

@Novichok
#4154 I agree for the most part and don't care. I want to see Putin publicly executed. Russia = Evil The "West" = Good Simple equation and none other matters.

Bratwurst Boy
10 Oct 2022  #4157

Hopefully it is now only a matter of days instead of weeks.

....in the coming days!

Germany is supplying this anti-aircraft system to Ukraine

bild.de/politik/ausland/politik-ausland/iris-t-slm-dieses-flugabwehr-system-liefert-deutschland-an-die-ukraine-81577092.bild.html

...The first (of four) systems are to be delivered in the coming days. Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht (57, SPD): "The renewed rocket fire on Kyiv and many other cities makes it clear how important it is to deliver air defense systems to Ukraine quickly." ...

That attack on Kiev was maybe the needed wake up call for our sleepy heads!



Korvinus
10 Oct 2022  #4158

natural law of conflicts and co-existence of diversity

Pax Americana is the only thing preventing the Resource Wars from starting. The Americans after the Second Wolrd War came to everyone who wasn't a raging commie and told them to play nice and trade or else - see: Rhodesia, Portugal, South Africa, France, countries who didn't want to play the Americans' little game.

The reality is that the moment USA worldwide power is done, the world will flare up in multiple wars worldwide. A lot of countries once playing nice will stop.

It's going to happen sooner or later, but I would prefer "later" myself so the transition is slower.

Bratwurst Boy
10 Oct 2022  #4159

The end of "Pax Americana" would produce to many losers to be sustainable.

A circle would be closed as it was at the end of WWII, all these losers will band together under the strongest, the US, again. There was a reason for the Pax Americana, the end of it would be a repeat of history!

mafketis
10 Oct 2022  #4160

That attack on Kiev was maybe the needed wake up call for our sleepy heads!

too bad voters in Lower Saxony are still asleep voting for the parties least likely to start the process of Germany becoming more energy independent....

Crnogorac3
10 Oct 2022  #4161

That lantern is a really neat device. 😁

This is what the center of Lviv looks like now.

t.me/intelslava/38882

Look, without lights and electricity, it's as if it has been returned to the time of its founder, the noble prince Danilo Romanovich of Galicia from the Rurikovich Russian ruling dynasty. A truly beautiful historical-emotional reminder of those glorious times.

Miloslaw
10 Oct 2022  #4162

@Crnogorac3

Yeah, yeah, yeah....... and the Russians are still being destroyed by the superior Ukrainian army.......

Miloslaw
10 Oct 2022  #4163

The fact is that Ukraine is playing a long game and Russia a short one.

In the short term, Ukraine will continue to suffer.

But in the long term,Ukraine will rise like a Slavic Phoenix from the ashes.

And Russia will die as a multicultural Slavic non entity and will once again return to it's rightful place as a third world nation, poorer than many African states.

Novichok
10 Oct 2022  #4164

the moment USA worldwide power is done, the world will flare up in multiple wars worldwide.

Then "the world" should be paying the US for that service. Instead, the US is a net loser.

PolAmKrakow
11 Oct 2022  #4165

Some countries will now begin to label Russia as a "terrorist state". If this trend spreads, India and then China will abandon Russia completely or face sanctions themselves. Putin let his little angry self go to far in killing civilians this time. Hilarious though that the little Fboy said bombing the bridge in Crimea is an act of terrorism when he himself is the lead terrorist in Europe. All the missiles launched yesterday only to attack civilians and infrastructure that is needed by them. This is what desperate losers do.

Novichok
11 Oct 2022  #4166

only to attack civilians

This is awful but not as awful as the 200,000 dead civilians in Iraq. Yes, I know that Poland with its 200 brave warriors was there just as decoration but still...

Alien
11 Oct 2022  #4167

Not only decoration. Read about defense of the Karbala City Hall.

PoliticalRealist
11 Oct 2022  #4168

200,000 dead civilians in Iraq

Surely you can see the difference between bombing goat shaggers in some Kurvistan and attacking a civilised country in a middle of Europe? That's the problem - you just don't do things like that to Europeans in Europe. That is totally unacceptable, if done to civilised white people.

PolAmKrakow
11 Oct 2022  #4169

@Novichok
Lets be realistic. How many of those dead Iraqi's supported terrorists, were related to terrorist, or were actual terrorists? No one is calling for the bombing of civilians in Moscow, or Kaliningrad. Don't try to confuse the issue. The targets chosen by Putin were civilian. The bridge in Crimea is a military target do to the transport logistics. Ukraine bombed the side of the bridge in Ukraine territorial waters, not on the Russian side. All are completely reasonable military actions that took place when there would be very little potential to kill or injure civilians. Orc nation on the other hand even targeted playgrounds.

The little Putin is butt hurt over his little bridge. He is a Fing moron. Every day grasping at straws. Russia is losing to Ukraine. When you Putinazi's finally realize your side is losing where will you find a new dictator to support? Africa? Plenty of morons waging war in Africa you could get behind. South America? I am sure you will find another nut case to get behind, all of the "cause" seekers usually do.

mafketis
11 Oct 2022  #4170

not as awful as the 200,000 dead civilians in Iraq

It is very possible to be against both the US invasion of Iraq and the russian invasion of Ukraine, but there are differences...

It was never the intention of the US to wipe out the idea of "Iraq" (though it's a fuzzy concept for Iraqis themselves)

putain and government mouthpieces (like your beloved Simonyan) have repeatedly claimed that no country named "Ukraine" should exist and no person should identify as "Ukrainian" and they want to kill anyone who disagrees.

The US (very stupidly) thought that the whole world is ready for participatory democracy if they only experience it...

russia wants the whole world to tremble before their mighty tsar! (that's it really, that's the core of russian nationalism).

people and situations are different and playing "А у вас негров линчуют" with Iraq shows that you've been compromised by russian disinfo....

wean yourself off the russian teat and look for more reliable sources of information....


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