Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

Why do you think a murdering war criminal would make on the record quotes about his intentions to murder more people ?

Exactly! There was this guy...

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or this one:

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The idea that they're just expressing their own opinions and not the official russian position is pretty stupid given the 'total information control' that is the stated aim of RT head Simonyan....

In other news, the FSB source behind the "wind of change" letters has reportedly been able to flee russia and has requested asylum in France. the rest of her family is also out of russia (not sure if in France or not).

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last info is that surovikin, prigozhin and kadyrov are planning a coup against putain (lots of other people have been assuming that)....

What??? The multi-millionaires with luxury cars, yachts and throngs of licentious bit*ches at their every order are not willing to abandon their cars, yachts and bit*ches just to perish in a nuclear war for Russkiy Mir??? Scandalous. Scandalous and shocking.*

* what on earth took them so long?

@GefreiterKania
Planting the seeds, preparing the fields, gathering water.

Putin's failure in Ukraine is just what they were in need of.

Jesus... effin... Christ... What is he taking???

Someone wrote in the comments that if he remembers right the wife of this psychopath is in "DPR" government right now. Can you imagine what she must be like? I wonder if her name is Eva... Braun...

I'm really, terribly, horribly curious what PF Putinists have to say about this.

OMG, I checked and it's true - this is the wife of that genocidal, deranged psychopath, Pavel Gubarev:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekaterina_Gubareva

"Ekaterina Gubareva (...) is the deputy head of the collaborationist Kherson Military-Civilian Administration in Russian-occupied Ukraine since 16 June 2022. She previously acted under the title of "Minister of Foreign Affairs"

Jesus...

How can one be surprised that there are mass graves being found if people like that are in charge in occupied territories...

Lets start with blasphemy.


Do you know what you even said ???


The most saving face Putin has left is to step down because of health issues and never be heard of again.
Just like biden, his own people want him out and the sooner the better.

And it's now obvious that surrender in February was not an option.... the whole country would be one big Bucha.... russian telegram is apparently full of those calling for genocide and cheering attacks on civilian infrastructure.... never forget... that's russkij mir....

That is why Ukrainians will never surrender to murderous RuSSists, no matter how many will die on both sides.
The West has to step on armament production to supply more weapons to Ukraine.


Yes, RuSSist defeat and the collapse of RuSSia as a state. Simple.

That might prove dangerous and destabilising in the long run. A palace coup, with a Yeltsin-like leader installed, should be enough (and, of course, all the putinist leaders given proper Nuremberg trials).

To be honest, I think that's unrealistic (and I doubt that this is what the West is aiming for) and stating such things only gives ammo to RuSSian propaganda. We can't give an impression that the West/Europe wants to destroy RuSSia and winning this war is RuSSia's "to be or not to be". It only plays into Putin's narrative and that of his propagandists and supporters.

A palace coup which removes Putin will release all forces within RuSSia which are dreaming of independence. And RuSSists won`t be able to contain them all due to their general weakness. I am talking now not only about non-Russian minorities but also Russian populated regions e.g, Vladivostok region. If it seperated from main RuSSia, it would be able to prosper nicely depending on the cooperation with China or Japan.

@pawian, again, it sounds like political sci-fi to me... I don't know to what kind of bad state RuSSia would have to be brought for any regions to even consider becoming independent countries... They can't even think independently, let alone live independently... Which federal republic or region would be mentally ready for something like that? Do you know?

And let us not forget that we don't live in a bubble... There's a whole world besides Europe and the West and RuSSia can trade with the rest of the world.

I don't know, RuSSia would probably have to do something really horrible, like using nukes, for the whole world to turn it's back to RuSSia.

So, all I'm saying is - we've got to be realistic and not bet too much on a coup and RuSSia falling apart, especially in the near future...

I am realistic and still bet on it. :):):) The chances are high. Even Russian independent experts are warning about it.

@pawian, which experts? I remember reading an interview with the head of Levada Center... He said that the '"safety margin" of the regime in RuSSia is still big...

Here's the interview:

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It is political sci-fi and insane (or, at least, very immature) IMO. Like GK said, dangerous and destabilizing.


Only if there is no non-Russian involvement. But, even then, who replaces Putin?


If it hit twitter I'm pretty sure that it's now dead in the water.

Like the current war. Yet, it is happening before our eyes. And??? Recall what Shakespeare wrote about philosophers. :):):)


It doesn`t matter. What matters is that Russia will disintegrate soon after Putin is gone. Simple.

@pawian

What Shakespeare said about philosophers is immaterial.

What is happening before our eyes is destruction paving a path for greater destruction.


IMO, that's sci-fi, insanity, or immaturity-or all three.

Like it was in 1991 before the collapse of the USSR which nobody predicted or even believed. :):):)

Here a very extensive article on the collapse of RuSSia
neweasterneurope.eu/2022/09/07/the-deconstruction-of-russia-and-reconstruction-of-a-post-russia-space-a-risky-but-inevitable-scenario/

It is likely that in the foreseeable future, ethnic conflicts will intensify in Russia. Everyone will blame everyone else for their own problems and the growth of Russian chauvinism will fuel national movements in the republics (and vice versa). When ethnic conflict breaks out in several places at the same time, Moscow is unlikely to have enough power or money to put out these fires. And then we will have a "domino effect".


You have the right to keep your opinion. One day we will return to our discussion to see who was right.
BTW, did you also say it when the USSR was falling apart in 1991 or you were too young to care about it??? :):):):)

@pawian

The dissolution of the Soviet Empire is not the same thing as the nation of Russia dissolving. Once the inherent errors of communism came to a head, the union of distinct countries dissolved into independent nations with distinct cultural features. Russia has been a single entity with a distinct culture-there may be many Russians who don't like Putin, but there is no indication that Russians don't like being Russian.

@pawian, Lenin died and the Soviet Union didn't fall apart... Stalin died and the Soviet Union didn't fall apart... It took almost half a century since Stalin's death for the Soviet Union to collapse... So what makes you so sure that even after Putin is gone RuSSia will collapse as a state? And when Putin will be gone? In a month? 6 months? A year? 10 years?

In the great scheme of things maybe it doesn't matter how long it will take (if it even happens), but for Ukraine it does matter...

It is obvious you don`t know what you are talking about. :):):) You should get back to high school research. Start with RuSSia`s demographics - 20% non-Russian minorities - 29 million people.

You are assuming that all 20% of minority population wants to dissociate from Russia. Is there any reliable intel out there that indicates such?

Or are you confusing Russian minorities with a poll that found 20% of Russians want to leave the country -mostly to pursue a better economic life?

Let's say all 20% who wish to leave set sail for a better life. Guess what? Russia will still be an entity, it will still exist. It won't dissolve.

@Paulina

This time Russia will collapse,because the international strength of feeling against their unwarranted and barbaric invasion of Ukraine will not be forgiven quickly.
Plus,what can Russia offer us to stop the sanctions?
We don't need their cheap gas.....let them rot in hell!

Today, as per CNN reports, the Ukrainian air defense shot down all of the drones and missiles fired at their facilities. 50% were shot down by air defense and 50% were stopped by strategic objects.

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:)

⚡️Spanish journalists filmed MANPADs failing to intercept Shahed-136 drones over Kyiv.

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What an epic fail and a humiliation of American air defense systems. 😁

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CIAkrainian air defense.

Great fun in Kiev and other cities. Shooting at Iranian drones. Those bullets have to fall somewhere, they will kill and injure more people than the drones.

585 settlements de-energized as a result of morning attacks on Ukraine

This was announced on the air of the national telethon by the first deputy head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Yevgeny Yenin.

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🇷🇺 From Russia with love

This morning, strikes across Ukraine on the energy infrastructure.

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This is the thermal power plant in Dnipropetrovsk... the same has happened since this morning in Kiev, Zhytomyr and Ivano-Frankovsk... Once the boiler in the thermal power plant breaks down, it takes months to restore it... if until now they managed to repair something and raise the network, after these strikes I wouldn't be in their skin...

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Ukrainian telegram channel:

Our source reports that damage to the energy system of Ukraine is already 40%.

Colleagues correctly write that the unified energy system is facing the risk of complete collapse. If the Russians continue to hit non-stop, then in a week there will be nothing left.

Add to this the shortage of spare parts and components, and you will understand that Ukraine will soon be in a "complete blackout". That's when the hardest times begin. This also applies to western Ukraine, which hoped that they would carry over and all the hardships, as usual, would fall on the south-east of Ukraine.

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Ukrainians when someone turns on the lawnmower.

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There goes the hamerican station for determining the direction of the artillery.
👍

Great shot, even I couldn't have taken it out any better.

Darling, how is it going to prevent the Ukrainian army from kicking more RuSSist asses on the front??? Tell us. :):):)
RuSSists are trying to intimidate Ukrainians in order to start negotations with them. Those are futile efforts coz the damage will be repaired while RuSSists will run out of drones when Iran is punished with sanctions.

And Mongols will be relentlessly pushed back from Ukrainian soil no matter what they destroy in Kiev or elsewhere.

New round of air raid sirens sounding in multiple Ukrainian regions



Krivoy Rog is right now listening to the wonderful symphony of Iranian lawnmower engine drones. 😁

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While Mongols are listening to the wonderful cacaphony of the explosions of Ukrainian shells among their troops and the painful howling of wounded orcs, most of whom will die in the battlefield due to poor medical service and standard RuSSist negligence towards their cannon fodder. Ha!

9 days of easy warfare for the Russians. Expect massive refugees across Europe as the days get colder. Zelensky is lying a little bit, even more is destroyed for them, but it is impossible for him to say it because of the panic it would cause. (Was the destroyed part of the bridge worth this to them?)

@pawian this is just for you:

"Today it has become clear to everyone that our air defense cannot cope with the missile strikes of the Russian army. You can make hundreds of pictures with infographics, where we shoot down 30 martyrs and 10 cruise missiles, but the reality is visible in the devastating strikes on our energy infrastructure. Zelensky announced terrible figures today, 30% of the country's energy facilities were destroyed in 9 days."