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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3



gregy741
29 Jul 2022  #571

you would have had a _Ball_ in 1950s Poland at the show trials, wouldn't you?

those were patriots not mercs.as for helena, wasnt she from the same tribe as zelensky?

Crnogorac3
29 Jul 2022  #572

youtu.be/kySdScuTpDg

The Persecution of Alina Lipp and Graham Phillips

thegrayzone.com/2022/07/13/video-germany-criminalizes-journalist-for-exposing-ukrainian-war-crimes/

mafketis
29 Jul 2022  #573

@gregy741
ideologically from your pro-soviet side

@Crnogorac3
gonzalo lira is not a legtiimate source except for the fantasies going on in his head... he doesn't even speak Ukrainian (or even its inferior sister, russian).

Tacitus
29 Jul 2022  #574

The Persecution of Alina Lipp and Graham Phillips

Using a public platform to willfully spread lies that justify a war of agression is a criminal offense.

Bratwurst Boy
29 Jul 2022  #575

As the only German reporter

Na ja....journalist....she is a youtuber, living off donations!

(and I doubt she will really go to jail for supporting Russia in this war....the Left and the AfD do it too and nobody of them is in jail either)

gregy741
29 Jul 2022  #576

jail for supporting Russia

ever come to your mind ,shes not supporting russia but supporting reporting facts?
what if those facts favor Russia side ? then you must lie to be respectful reporter?
am in the same situation. i dont support russia. i support donbas cus they were treated badly.so in order to be pro ukra ,must i lie to myself and pretend that 8 years of crimes in donbas didnt happened?

Bratwurst Boy
29 Jul 2022  #577

ever come to your mind ,shes not supporting russia but supporting reporting facts?

Definitely not! Nobody who speaks openly of "denazification of Ukraine" (she did that) doesn't know what he is talking about aka lying! FACT!

It's a far cry from acknowledging the unresolved ethnic tensions in the regions with a russian majority to cheering on the invading of another independent country and the plan to execute it's democratic government...please!

Tacitus
29 Jul 2022  #578

supporting reporting facts

Facts need proof, which her story constantly lack. Some time ago she claimed that Russians had been abused in Nuremberg, but could never provide any evidence for this.

pretend that 8 years of crimes in donbas didnt happened

Of course not. But you have to be truthful about those responsible (Russians) and not make the victims the perpetrators. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is the single best example of a war between good (Ukraine) and evil (Russian) since the German invasion of Poland. One can to a small extent excuse lies from Russians, since they are bombarded with propaganda (although like Germans, they will have to face later questions on how much they knew, or could have known). But it takes a very twisted person to willingly aid Russian propaganda when you have access to the truth like this influencer.

Crow
29 Jul 2022  #579

Russians should punish hostile non-Slavs that invested in indoctrination of Ukrainians with nazism and nazi symbolism. There are signals they think of it. Military operation motivated by revenge. A new Special operation. Rightful.

Bratwurst Boy
29 Jul 2022  #580

Military operation motivated by revenge

What do you know WWI was about? (Revenge on Serbia for killing the Archduke)

And WWII? (Revenge for the Treaty of Versailles)

Serbia and the Balkan war after the dissolution of Yugoslavia? What did it got you?

Do you really think that a military operation motivated by revenge is a successful path for winners?

gregy741
29 Jul 2022  #581

Facts need proof, which her story constantly lack.

yea, first you start locking people for "insufficient evidence in story" then for " incorrect" facts.
gotta be sick in the head to support this prosecution of this girl
beside, i offered you hypothetical situation ,where her story is factually correct. then is she still pro russian?

truthful about those responsible

yes i am. its v nulland , payatt and the rest of the thugs from right sector and sloboda

gumishu
29 Jul 2022  #582

Alina

a true Russian name (end accidently not that German)

pawian
29 Jul 2022  #583

i honestly didnt think they ould go ahead with this.

Because that would be simply stupid. In retaliation, Ukrainians will kill all separatist POWs they capture. Also, foreign heroes will fight even harder and rather die than surrender. So, the execution by separatists would mean a nice shot in their own heads. Are they really such rabid dogs unable to think logically and predict the consequences???

gregy741
29 Jul 2022  #584

that would be simply stupid.

oh.. the twitt said they were executed today morning. but i could not find any confirmation ,so its probably fake.
as for affect on foreign mercs. some would fight harder ,many would run away home.it is a quite scary prospect of being executed if captured.

say for example, your unit decided to surrender and you are the only merc in it. what u gunna do? if you continue fighting,you jeopardizing your colleges chance to surrender, and they might kill you in order to survive .ups

Novichok
29 Jul 2022  #585

they were executed today morning. but i could not find any confirmation ,so its probably fake.

Then I will have fake, alcohol-free beer to celebrate.

pawian
29 Jul 2022  #586

your unit decided to surrender and you are the only merc in it.

It shows you don`t know how it is organised. Foreign heroes never fight alone among Ukrainians. It is the opposite - they are grouped into units with one experienced Ukrainian as a commander.

gregy741
29 Jul 2022  #587

It shows you don`t know how it goes. Foreign heroes never fight alone among Ukrainians.

oh really? those 3 were serving in ukra battalion. you all knowing how it goes person
many are attached to territorial defence units
only recall georgian and belarusian separate merc units.rest are spread across battalions

pawian
29 Jul 2022  #588

those 3 did serve in ukra battalion

But they weren`t foreign heroes who came just after the RuSSist invasion, they considered themselves Ukrainian soldiers as they had lived in Ukraine for a few years and had citizenship. That is why performing such a staged court trial on them was against the law. If they are executed, people who contributed to it will be taken to the Hague Tribunal one day.

georgian and belarusian

It is amasing so many decent people fight against those RuSSist orc. Isn`t it??? :):):)

gregy741
29 Jul 2022  #589

It is amasing so many decent people fight against those RuSSist orc. Isn`t it??? :):):)

"decent" lol. lotta more ethnicities fighting within russian army against ukra nazis.
and unlike "ukra foreign heroes" they dont get 30k dollars a month merc salary. Chechens and buryats cossacs volunteer for example.

pawian
29 Jul 2022  #590

Chechens

Yes, also decent and patriotic Chechens fight on the Ukrainian side against Mongols.

gregy741
29 Jul 2022  #591

yes,they arrived straight from idleb. so decent and so patriotic haha
their own people would carve them another crack if they ever return to grozny.
thos are ikheria radicals

pawian
29 Jul 2022  #592

their own people would carve them

Don`t be silly. When Kadyrov is abolished and Chechnya gains independence, those Chechen heroes from Ukraine will be worshipped as liberators.

Cojestdocholery
29 Jul 2022  #593

they dont get 30k dollars

How do you know that? Do you think it is a lot for westerners? lol!
Do you claim that Russian are not being paid. I mean they are being promised to get paid and some never delivered but still they get money too and complian that is not enough.

Getting money is not a crime and the international law is very clear what is and what is not the right and lawful way of dealing with it. Russian or some puppets no-states can't pick and choose that is a crime and they will pay for it. Unless they never will leave Russia and Russia remian a pariah state.

Crnogorac3
29 Jul 2022  #594

A very simple question is Cui bono, who profits from this? If the Russians wanted to kill these Azov terrorists, they would have done it immediately, they would not have fed them and treated them with medicine for months. Second, it does not pay off for the Russians to kill the prisoners because then no one will surrender. Huge efforts were made to create the perception that handing yourself over to the Russians was safe, that the prisoners were well taken care of, some were already released if they determined that they were not criminals, some were exchanged, etc. and the last thing the Russians need is for that perception to change, that suits only the soroshoids. It is clear who is the perpetrator and who is pushing all this in the last couple of days, that he is doing everything to scare the Ukrainian soldiers so that they will not surrender, so that they will fight to the last. Pretty sleazy propaganda, but you russophobic trolls stick to such propaganda like a fly to $hit because you are such liars yourselves.

twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/status/1552968298073313281

twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/status/1552991986143367168

twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1552992434400989185

twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1552994582161461248

This was about punishing those who surrendered.

mafketis
29 Jul 2022  #595

If the Russians wanted to kill these Azov terrorists

they do what they did... try to blame someone else cause that's what russia _always_ does....

It's funny how quickly the russian narrative fell apart, less than a day old and already no one (with an IQ over 90) believes it

Miloslaw
29 Jul 2022  #596

try to blame someone else cause that's what russia _always_ does.

, less than a day old and already no one (with an IQ over 90) believes it

That is the Russian liars in a nutshell.
A few days ago they signed a treaty to allow grain to be exported from Odesa and then fired missiles at the city!?

Now they are saying that they will not turn off the gas supplies to Germany!
We all know that the exact opposite of what they say will happen.
They are like children.....

pawian
29 Jul 2022  #597

Back on topic edition 102
A fund raising event to buy a Bayraktar drone for Ukraine ended with amasing results - the Turkish company which produces the drones will offer it for free. The collected money will be used on charity projects in Ukraine.

tvn24.pl/tvn24-news-in-english/turks-to-donate-bayraktar-drone-to-ukraine-thanks-to-polish-fundraiser-5980648


  • BayraktarTB2Polony.jpg

gregy741
29 Jul 2022  #598

i dont know if you noticed this, how those pro ukra people on twitter repeat the same things./words
in case of this prison explosion,they all repeat "ukrainian katyn" reference.
like those fkers are directed or instructed. they are unable to come to own conclusions or even wording,but repeat one after another like some insane people sect and some russia as "terrorist state "being pushed alot recently.

Novichok
29 Jul 2022  #599

like those fkers are directed or instructed.

...because they are! We have the same coordination here. All the leftist stations use exactly the same words.

gregy741
29 Jul 2022  #600

should poland make ukrainian second official language? i think it should.

All the leftist stations use exactly the same words.

its so bizzare. there are no questions or debates or even ideas or arguments. just retweet and use the same wording and references.


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