Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

@jon357
If China were to help Russia with weapons, the sanctions on China would be hard and fast from the US and EU. That is a non starter position. Xi will tell Vlad to look for a way out or Vlad will be lead out. Ukraine is not going to give up, and the west is not going to stop helping them. Russia will lose Crimea. This will drag on for another year if Russia does not negotiate a peace deal, and by then Russia as a world power will cease to exist as we knew it.

The war is lost for Russia, it really is that simple. Ukraine continuing to win battles and gain ground continues to build momentum within their army. This allows them to get more men into the army if nothing more than to secure retaken area's. While the Ukraine army grows in size and confidence Russia's shrinks. Every day Russia loses ground their negotiating position becomes weaker.

@Velund
The difference is you treat friendly advice as a threat. Do you honestly think there is nothing to fix in the Kremlin? Nothing to fix in the white house? Nothing to fix in Polish sejm? Grow up! :)

How many people do you want to kill to achieve that? It's pretty clear that a large majority of those living in those cities do not think of themselves as russian and have no desire to become russian

What's your acceptable level of genocide? (for each city)

100,000?
500,000?
1,000,000?

however many millions it takes?

When I asked Velund such question earlier in this thread he answered: "as few as possible". I think it's pretty obvious that for RuSSians it's an euphemism for "as many as necessary".

Russkiy "Mir" in Ukraine:

So maybe they think "БЕЗ ВАС!!!!" means.... what?

russia is as (you?) said, a domestic abuser who brags about his bandaging skills after beating his wife to a pulp.... it's also like a stalker boyfriend who cannot accept or process that she is. over. him and ends up trying to kill the object of his affection and suiciding directly afterward so they can 'be together forever'....

sick country... very.... I think the word I want is 'inferior'

Yes, this is very clear. They need the European markets which the gas issue is squeezing for them. They don't need r*SSia.


The war crimes trials will last for years, the reparations will cripple them and the forced demilitarisation will humiliate them even more than they have humiliated themselves already.


You have no choice what to do. You're losing badly. r*SSists have trashed their own country for the next few decades at least.

Русский Тролль Главсета, иди нахуй

Already some years ago when I was discussing with pro-Putinist RuSSians I had an impression that there's something wrong with them. Because besides being completely brainwashed they seemed to lack... I don't know how to call it... Morality? Empathy... At that time I thought that it stemmed from the fact that they were raised in a Soviet system, without religion, etc... That after the fall of communism they've become cynical or sth. And, anyway, I thought that I'm discussing with a fringe of the society, some nationalists, stalinists, you know... Only in 2014 I've realised that probably majority of Russian society is like this.


It was Lenka's very accurate metaphor :)
And, yes, as I already wrote earlier, I think, it's a society of sociopaths... It's interesting how different anti-Putin Russians are though. I mean, they were raised in the same society, after all... 🤔 So, it is possible for Russians to be normal... and moral... emphatic... and humane...


Non-RuSSist Russians called their pro-Putin compatriots "zombies" already in 2014:



And, yeah, zombies are not only sickening, but also scary. Because they have no working brain and, what's even more scary, no heart.

russian propagandist Solovyov prob drunk and playing the circus clown, twitter.com/GoncharenkoUa/status/1570326742849540101 kinda amusing

Difficult to see how you can take any big Ukrainian town now Bobko. The Ukies have better weapons and tactics and you will have zero support from the local population

It's been a really pathetic effort - a joke. The underlying reason is corruption and bad leadership

To love Russia, means to be an optimist - despite the odds :)

The current troubles are a punishment for our hubris. We must respect the enemy, and stop fighting with one hand tied behind our back. Finally, power plants and hydro dams are being hit (should have been done 6 months ago). Now we need a mobilization and a complete transitioning of the economy onto military rails. All the sycophants in the Ministry of Defense and General Staff must be sacked (preferably jailed and shot), while Putin himself should reflect on what has happened. If before it was hard to digest that this is a fight for our survival, then now I hope everyone can appreciate the truth in this statement.

This part is true.

@Bobko
It is too late. The window for success has closed. More rocket systems from Germany are on the way, and even more from US will be announced next week. Russia is F'ed and thats just it. A full mobilization will not happen and if it did, it would announce to all Russia that Putin has lost and he would be ousted. It is simply time to get out and save Russian lives. Ukraine will destroy Crimea when they get within range. Everything Russia built over the last 8 years will be flattened. There will be a reckoning for Russia and it will be ugly.

@Bobi

It is very difficult for me to say, because of my immense personal fondness towards you, but if Russia decides on an all-out war against Ukrainian civilians and civilian infrastructure, then I believe NATO should go all-out on Russia. Down with this "a couple of HIMARS here, a couple of Krab there" nonsense. Go all-out. We cannot allow genocide happening in the 21st century in Europe. No more. No more.

If we die, we die - f*ck it. It's better than sitting back and watching another nazi genocide happening.

Then your own power plants and water are fair game - and the Ukrainian missiles are more accurate and they have more. If your aim is to just destroy power stations then what is it you expect to achieve ?

Wow I knew you are a Russian romantic but I didn't know that your are a hardcore romantic.

Well, Ukrainians need to take Cherson before end of Octorber.

how are they enemies? what particular important state goals can russia achieve in Ukraine?

Excellent, When common Russians are forced to go to war and die in it for nothing by thousands, we shall soon see the repetition of 1917. hahahahaha

Why has Putin abstained from general mobilisation??? Tell us. Why???? :):):)

PS. Are RuSSists really so stupid that they can`t predict the pathetic results of their imbecilic actions????


Darling, what economy? The one collapsing under Western sanctions???? hahahahaha

It seems you forgot that it is not WW2 and nobody will offer you another Lend Lease act except for North Korea and Iran! Ha! hahahaha

You started the war coz you wanted to recreate the USSR, so it wasn`t about your survival. Now it is coz the fate of RuSSia as one state is at stake. And the West is ready to face the same situation which happened in 1991 - the disintegration of the USSR into a dozen states. Now it is going to happen to RuSSia and you can`t stop it. Actually, putting more military pressure on Ukraine and increasing your brutality there, you will only make it worse for yourselves coz more RuSSists will die in result of Ukrainian retaliation and seeing the new terrible losses, your pathetic army of thieves and rapists will disappear into thin air.

We can start betting - which RuSSist colony will break free first? Chechnya??? :):):)


Rzyg.

You are really a fekking renegade here. RuSSists perpetrate genocide which Bobko supports while you are still fond of his bs. Are you nuts?

Russian genocide in Ukraine: fresh graves of Ukrainian civilians have been discovered in Izyum, which was liberated from Russian occupation last week

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Soviet Union had demography that could (hardly, but still) sustain losing 8 million soldiers and was supported via lend-lease by the largest economy of the world, while being an industrial powerhouse in its own right.

Today Russia is shadow of a former glory, with economy based on exporting raw resources and a declining population. The richest economies in the world are supporting Ukraine with cash, weapons, training and intelligence, while suffocating Russian economy with sanctions terminating entire industries (automobile) or damaging others (weapons manufacturing).

Russia can no longer field armies that overpower enemy with sheer numbers - in fact it cannot field an army larger than the Ukrainian one. Mobilization would only collapse already strained logistics that failed Russians at the gates of Kyiv.

Well then perhaps, right here, you have provided the answer to your question re: why Russia has fought in such a strange way to-date? If your opinion is representative of popular Western attitudes (as well as the consensus within policy making circles), then this type of escalation is what Putin has likely sought to avoid by withholding strikes on critical infrastructure.

"Sought to avoid"???

The fvcker invaded Ukraine. Nobody else did. He started a war; Ukraine didn't.

You sound like a rapist trying to blame his victim for being good-looking.

You are a chatterbox. Put some muzle on that, nobody cares about your feelings.


I don't see that war ending well for Russia.

@pawian

Renegade? I hate the bastards who started this war and who commit genocide (and there's no way Bobi supports genocide - it takes enormous amount of bad will to infer it from his posts). Russia in its current form with its current government is abhorrent, but I won't hate Russian people. You can't make me.

The goodness that I saw in nearly every Russian person that I met prevents me from falling into the hate-trap. Sorry to disappoint you.

@Bobi

Perhaps you are right but something made him change his mind. Unfortunately.

Exactly, RuSSists don`t have enough weapons to supply those millions they are going to mobilise. They are already using ancient Soviet tanks from 1960s.

That is why our RuSSists like Bobko are saying nonsense when they wet dream of a wonderful effect of mobilisation. :):):)
And my thesis is still valid - millions poorly armed Russians will be an easy prey for Ukrainians. They will die by ten thousands, finally leading to a revolt which will topple the KGB regime.

Darling, I don`t care that you don`t care. :):):):)

Who cares? I would think your thesis are crap like all that you write here. You don't have thechnology to work anything out unless you are lucky.

Everything is going to be solved on a battlefield.

Darling, do you mean when I write about RuSSist genocide in Ukraine, like in post 2569, you consider it crap???
You fekking traitor! Good you have done your trecherous coming out at last!!! Where are you located? In the Kremlin troll factory????

Krasny Liman, which stands like a rock in the path of Ukraine.

twitter.com/Debaser83994181/status/1570334740917485568

Ukrainian "special" operation forces attempted to set up an ambush for Wagner PMC in the Bakhmut direction.

However, what they didn't know is that you don't ambush the Wagner PMC, Wagner PMC ambushes you

t.me/asbmil/5287

PMC Wagner Group Evgeny Prigozhin is at a penal colony looking for new assault infantry to join his company. Refers to some of those who served 30 years in prison and died in battle as "heroes".

twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1570123353331011586

Wagner Group is the elite. 👍

55 year olds with an IQ of 80 who've barely been out of a cell for years?