Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

Poland and Germany are both democracies and both PiS and Scholz won democratic elections. And lots of Poles actively protest excesses by PiS, PiS is an unfortunate government but it's not engaged in genocide (besides trying to prevent it).

I'm a bit disappointed that the German public is apparently crap at protesting and isn't giving Scholz enough cr@p but again the degree of social failure is lightyears away from the russian swamp of apathy and crime and violence....

The people elected him, and those who want to overthrow him can only accept to blow his dick as before, mister jon.

A r*SSian election, not that this is relevant. The r*SSians don't get to choose what is or isn't a war crime. And Putler is a war criminal.


It's a matter for the War Crimes Tribunal. Another fate awaits him.


Sir, to you.

Ah, so that is how Russian "Democracy" works!

Now we know....hahahaha!

Finally, this is a proof that those Poles live in a parallel universe. ;)

In our universe, Crimean war was started not by Tzar, not Nikolai III, and not in 1856. ;)

@Bobko
You simply are not objective in your views of the current war and using Russian sayings does nothing for western thinkers. Objectively not only is the Russian army in Ukraine in danger of being completely destroyed, but Putin is in danger of losing grip on his country. Underestimating western resolve to assist Ukraine was not only based on Putins thinking but his advisers who think the same way as he does. There was no outside input, just straight-line Russian bull$hit. Poles know all too well about Russian love, so do Germans, the Baltics and every other former soviet member state. It is something no one wants. It does not matter what Russia wants to anyone involved other than Russia. Can the Russian way of thinking really be this basic and stupid?

Again with the history lessons. If history meant anything then Russia should have just rolled through Ukraine. But they didnt. If history meant anything, Ukraine should have laid down and welcomed Putins Nazi's into the capital, but they didnt. Enough with useless comparisons.

Comparing US spending with other countries spending is a nonsensical practice for military spending. Labor costs in the US combined with the amount of production and cost of components used in the most advanced equipment compared with other countries simply does not add up. Someone working at Boeing is making 150K per year while the guy in Poland doing a similar job is making 40K per year. A part for a vehicle costs 3 times as much to produce in the US as it does in other countries. Comparing apples and grapes in these expense comparisons.

Has there been a study on how much toxic emissions have been released into the atmosphere and the environmental damage to the world from acid rain to food contamination (wheat).

All the rockets and artillery being fired and exploded.
All the decomposing human and animal carcasses.
All the burning buildings loaded with toxic materials.
Any studies on the environmental effects from this war yet ?
It does have to be cleaned up by someone.
Will Russia be held financially responsible for the mess they made ?

@johnny reb
Good questions. Kind of hard to go into a war zone and do a study though. Russia is going to be paying with the cheapest oil in modern history to rebuild Ukraine. When this ends Russia will have to sell billions of barrels of oil and ship some much LNG that markets will be flooded. That money will then go to western contractors and Ukraine to rebuild the country. While Russia will suffer lost profits and more financial long term pain. Discounts on luxury yachts at auction are expected at the same time. lol

@GefreiterKania
I saw it very simply during the Poland-Belarus border conflict start.

Polish (PiS mind you) very firm: "NO" to Lukashenko was a slap in the face to Lukashenka. Putin wanting him recruited to his own plans, started flirting with him ASAP. Problem is that the small conflict began to show who "controls" and "influences" his ally/vassal/partner name it how you want depending on perspective.

And Biden was able to calm down Poland to a large degree and keep Poland on the defensive, while Lukashenka kept going on that Poland will invade etc. (cause in his sick paranoid vengeful mind probably thinking, since he "invaded" with migrants. Poland would invade with tanks. Convincing Putin about it during their talks. Then Putin with his thug mentality of "if there will be a fight, hit first!"

So he did, but in Ukraine. As he was assured that since Ukraine isn't part of NATO. U.S.A won't send their army there formally due to Ukraine not being part of NATO. (Just stating facts and formal treaty agreed rules, pretty obvious and not very informative)

Putin saw that as a: we will tolerate your invasion of Ukraine and it's yours for the taking. So he went for it -.-

That's how I see it so far

Unfortunate is an understatement. So many years in power and they are unable to conduct the most important task they had to do: the final and full decommunisation of Polish courts. But how are they supposed to do that, when their own ranks are littered with post-communist apparatchiks? Down with them, they have to go.


Free oil and natural gas will be flowing into Ukraine for decades. Russia will have to pay reparations for every single broken window pane in Ukraine, and Russian children will curse the old idiots who started this war for plunging their country into poverty for decades.


Well, at the end of the day, how Russia was manipulated into invading Ukraine is irrelevant - what's important is the looming Russian defeat and the new world order that will emerge: the bipolar world (USA vs China), the partitions of Russia and the diminished role of Russian allies (Germany, France) in the EU. Who knows, maybe even the breakup of the EU, if their central institutions still usurp for themselves the control over areas outside European treaties.

At rock bottom prices of course since it's a forced sale.

The scale of their defeat may well mean that there are reparations included in their surrender terms and of course there are likely to be more rather than less PoWs to work on the rebuilding of Ukraine.

Meanwhile, Ukraine is striking military targets in Kherson and also the river crossings.

Are US/NATO was held financially responsible for using depleted uranium shells in Serbia? Or paid anything to Iraq people (diseases linked to genetic damage in Fallujah, which was contaminated with depleted uranium munitions, have been documented at higher rates than in Hiroshima)? Afghanistan (where even blocked funds belonging to Afghan central bank is not released)?

This is aside from question how to separate mess made by Russia from mess made by Zelensky regime.

@Velund
Again, more wasted analogies. The US put a lot of money into Afghanistan schools and infrastructure. And, the US wouldn't have been there if not for 9-11. When was Russia attacked by Ukraine?

Russia will pay, like Germany has paid. Sanctions wont be lifted until they do. Thats just how it is.

Wet dreams... So wet...

Are you plan to storm Kremlin for that? Napoleon was there, of course, but was defeated anyway.

*ekhm...ekhm*

Not only Napoleon. Someone else actually took Kremlin and held it for two years (unbeaten record so far). :)

And now all the countries that ever took (or were close to taking) Moscow are on the same side. Doesn't that scare you a little bit? Just a little? Come on, admit it!

@Velund
I am sorry you are still so delusional. Sanctions on Russia will not be lifted until Russia pays for the rebuilding of Ukraine. This has already been discussed and decided. Putin may be dead or deposed in order for it to happen, but make no mistake, it will happen. Putin is already looking for a way out of this. He has to either throw everything at Ukraine conventionally, escalate with non-conventional weapons, or continue to have his army killed slowly and continue to retreat. Thats it. Thats all that is left on the table for Putin and Russia. Winning is not even an option, it is a pipe dream that already blew up in his face.

No one will have to threaten Russia. It will be written into a negotiated peace treaty or, sanctions will remain. It really is pretty simple. LOL Imagine Russia in five years with no new tech, no western goods, no access to visa's, and no one to sell oil to. Really, it will be the absolute lowest point in Russian history. Comrades will be killing each other over recycled I-phones and strippers will be getting paid in grams of dried potatoes.

He probably doesn't realise that if r*SSia is declared a terrorist sponsoring state, every last pewny of their foreign currency reserves held outside r*SSia will go to individual Ukrainians who have differed harm and can claim it in the courts.

The stolen election of 2020, the showdown with Trump and the people who support him, legalized corruption called "lobbying", the obvious connection of big tech companies with the establishment and the deep state, general censorship of dissenters, buying votes by pre-election debt forgiveness, public violence against journalists (Assange), people who reveal the crimes of the system (Snowden, Manning, etc.) and opponents of the system, violent imperialism around the world, the use of a freak ideology with the aim of destroying European and Christian civilization, population replacement by mass migration, printing money and economic manipulation to the extent that the concept of money lost all meaning... it is clearly the winning model of the world that we should all adhere to.

Perhaps the most reliable in their history. Certainly the most carefully scrutinised, but don't let reality distract you from fantasy.

Putler is a dictator and a war criminal. He will face justice.


Like r*SSia's?

You certainly hate losing. And as a Serbian you certainly have plenty of practice.

Game of chicken? Really? With nuclear warheads at your disposal... Any adults in the room? Hello? -.-

If this continues I would have to take some leave from work and go to Kaliningrad. I got family documents that could cause a stirring for the rulers at the Kremlin at the right moment, it's starting to increase day by day... If they don't start governing their country properly! My patience is growing thinner!

Go ahead, dude. Let's look who will suffer more from that sanctions next summer.

And the winter after next with no gas in the EU's reserves.

@Velund
LMFAO By next summer, the US will be supplying Russia you fool. The LNG is just pumping like crazy from the US right now, and gas companies are expanding. It is a whole new market for US LNG producers. Russia not only loses the clients but loses them to the US. It couldnt have worked out better.

@johnny reb
See above. There is no panic in EU accept in Germany, and that is of their own making.

Why should there be no gas in EU reserves? If Russia is selling their gas to China and India now, then India's and China's former suppliers who lost the market will be more than happy to sell to the EU. That's how capitalism works, Johnny. :)

Besides, EU has already diversified its sources and domestic extraction has increased. EU will be alright, and it will also quicken the transition towards larger usage of green energy. Russia scored an own-goal with their energy blackmail, and as a result of limiting deliveries to the EU they have to burn gas worth $10 million a day because they can neither deliver nor store it.

Analysts agree that Gazprom is more dependent on the EU as a client than the EU is on them as a supplier. Gazprom's share of European market is only 35% but Russia sells 83% of its export gas to Europe. Guess who's more f*cked when it all stops? :)

We will see that very soon.

For now I got few emails from my German friend (we was students in same group in one of Moscow universities, before he moved to TU Berlin after 3 years here). He is going to look for a new job, because company he worked for last 11 years is forced to stop production due to energy prices. He is thinking to use their fluent Russian and relatively good understanding of local specific to try to get some job here. ;) I provided them with some contacts.

@Velund

Sure, German economy will suffer. That's what you get for caressing each others dicks with Russians too much (I hope they will learn their lesson), but the EU as a whole should be quite all right.

18+

Ukrainian nazis continue to kill civilians.

t.me/intelslava/37421

As in one of jokes - "patient was relieved, he stopped breathing"... ;)

A propos 'patient' - how is Putinescu these days? I've heard Erdogan had to help him walk recently, holding him by his arm - what was that all about?

wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/putin-ma-problemy-z-chodzeniem-pomagal-mu-erdogan/w9jjc9e

@Velund
Germany is not the EU. While German leaders would like to think they are the EU and they should run things, it's really not what anyone else wants. Germany will survive and a little trouble along the way is expected. But Russia cannot survive without the EU as a customer. This is simple economic fact. When you couple in war reparations, Russia is going to be selling oil at $50 a barrel with all the reserves they will have. The US and EU pay a price now, and Russia pays a significantly higher price down the road. All that money wont be going into Russia it will go into Ukraine and for at least the next decade Russia will be a skeleton of what it once imagined itself to be. That is, unless someone has the balls to kill Putin and put in a reasonable government.

@GefreiterKania
Saw the photos this morning or Putin needing assistance. If Erdogan isn't updating NATO on this situation he can not be trusted at all.