Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

You keep comparing this to a war 80 years ago when you were allied to the US.

This time you are in your own, and it's a comedy show

@cms neuf

Still not as big a comedy show as helicopters leaving stranded embassy workers in Saigon, or people grabbing onto plane chassises at Bagram airbase outside of Kabul.

Russia was also defeated in Afghanistan

Vietnam was 50 years ago and I don't think Ukraine was involved.

Russia is losing in Ukraine today. Badly. The whole world is laughing (except Belarus and Myanmar and Nicaragua)

r*SSian war crimes are not a 'comedy show'.

And there will be war crimes trials.

We have had some very, very serious setbacks - yes. However, I don't see how you can say we are losing "badly", if you are an objective person. I may be inaccurate in my numbers, but I think the situation currently is that we had controlled some 20-25% of Ukraine, and now control 17-22%. We have accomplished our land bridge to Crimea. We have completely liberated the Luhansk Oblast, and are actively working to complete the work in Donetsk Oblast. We control 3/4 of Ukraine's major ports. Ukraine is becoming a failed state, as it's economy is expected to tank ~50%+ this year.

If you say we are "losing badly", you are an even bigger patriot than me - and I can conclude you expected us to conquer the country entire in a matter of weeks.

To say the elast.

I notice you say 'we';. So you're on the same side as 'soldiers' who murder civilians with arms tied behind their backs?


No, it's not liberated yet. The orcs are still there, however it will be liberated soon.

How many months has Putler's three day 'special operation' lasted?

Good that you agree it's not a 'special operation' but in fact an illegal and unprovoked war and that Vladimir Vladimirovitch Putin should face a war crimes trial in the Hague. Perhaps you're slowly coming over to the side of decency.

That's not what's happening in Ukraine. Russia is waging a war there against a poor, former post-Soviet republic. True, Ukrainian army is equipped with some (not nearly enough) western weapons but that doesn't make it a war against "a coalition of developed states".


I'm not even sure if venality and incompetence were the decisive factors. It was the very idea of asking 150,000 soldiers (a number enough to defend a 100-120km of frontline) to conquer a large country with 40-million inhabitants, relatively modern army and patriotic population, that made the task impossible from the very beginning.

Yes. This was a mistake.


It is. Entire countries have emptied their stocks of heavy weapons. The entire intelligence apparatus of the West, : AWACS planes, spy satellites, reconnaissance by special forces, and a direct link to the brain trust of NATO - has been engaged.

Billions of dollars are granted to Ukraine for it to balance its budget, so that its population does not feel too serious a shock.

@jon357
Russia is a VERY collectivist mindset, even when an individual disagree with the governing power there. It's sees itself as a we with it. There is No other option within it, similar in China too, north Korea.

It's what communism is about and strengthened in an already collectivist mindset.

It's a hive, there is No option of being outside the hive, they belong to it even outside it's borders. It's unthinkable for them to think differently, and those who were able to (artists, writers etc) didn't have much good to write about it.

And hive minded Russians know, if they think too badly about it, their outside of it. And they do not think or feel it's possible to survive outside of it. It's part of them, their being.

The whole war was a mistake by r*SSia.

Good that you agree it's not a 'special operation' but in fact an illegal and unprovoked war and that Vladimir Vladimirovitch Putin should face a war crimes trial in the Hague.

That is what makes Russians into Russians, instead of Poles or Ukrainians (God forbid).

Torture, deliberate starvation, mass deportations, rape, mass murder?

Link of the day!

A taxonomy of western russian genocide apologists... incredibly accurate....

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It's a slave mentality... they live vicariously through the tsar. They have no dignity on their own, the tsar embodies their dignity. It's a very primitive and pre-modern mindset.

Here, there is another expression that is quintessentially Russian: "If he doesn't beat you, he doesn't love you". If we are torturing, starving, deporting, raping, and murdering you it means you are "very important to us, indeed". For a cold blooded Anglo such as yourself it is impossible to understand the full "bandwidth" of Russian love.

If you have ever loved or been loved by a Russian person, nothing else in life will ever replace it.

Only Poland did this to some extent (and those were, by and large, post-Soviet weapons). If Germany, France and Britain did the same - proportionally to their defence budgets - this war would be over now.


Well, the war is happening on NATO borders, so these measures are obvious.


As well as taking in refugees, providing medical care and supplies, stabilising the currency etc. - sure. But these are economic and logistical measures which do not turn the sides providing material help into combatants - hence I wouldn't say "a coalition of developed states". A coalition of NATO armies would finish this war in 3 weeks (at most).


There is no Russian hive. If there was, we would see full mobilisation by now. Russians are as diverse in their opinions and attitudes as any other nation, and the smart ones - educated specialists, writers and artists, are leaving in droves. I was happy to learn that one of my favourite Russian writers, Wiktor Jerofiejew, was among those who left after 24th February. The government propaganda would surely like to picture Russia as an angry, united hive, but that's just a myth.

Please cut down on your quotes, next time your post will go to the bin.

How violent. It says a lot about the primitive behaviour we can see right now. Fortunately r*SSia is losing their illegal war and losing badly.


You are.


The people of Ukraine don't want your 'r*SSian love'.

Fortunately, Poles and recently Ukrainians are the ones who fully understand RuSSians. You are fekking Mongols which need decades to civilise. The process of civilising you has been already started by the united West.


Yes,darling, coz the West has had enough of barbaric ruSSia which has posed a constant threat for centuries. Either you civilise and establish friendly relations with us or you will be gradually destroyed as a country. The choice is yours.

Have you ever been loved by a Russian?

I do not fully understand this war though.

After six months I come to the conclusion that the powers-that-be decided to significantly reduce the geopolitical meaning of Russia. Therefore, they provoked Putin to invade Ukraine - he fell into the trap and now Russia's fate is sealed to be relegated to Mexico-Nigeria league.

I think somebody saw that Russia was getting too strong - doing well economically, tightening their grip on Europe with energy resources, developing in many areas, exercising undue influence in most western European countries etc. and, being afraid of one day having to face strong Russia and strong China at the same time, decided to take out one of the players. A rather obvious move in hindsight. The only surprising thing is how easily the Russian шахматисты fell for it. They must really have believed in: a) their own power b) their own propaganda about the rottenness of the West. It's like hanging your queen in a grandmaster-level chess game. Shocking.

Bobko's just taking his latest cure from his masters in the russian media, advising russians to be proud of torturing, raping and killing civilizans... pure nazi stuff. ever wonder how Germany got that way in the 1930s? watch russian tv now....

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No. I've never had pink eye either and I plan on avoiding both catastrophes.

russia is an inferior, failing country whose citizens deserve nothing but scorn and disrespect for their total failure at creating a non-dysfunctional society....

You wrote yourself that Russian society can be divided into three groups (or was it four?), and that only one of them can be considered "radicals", so surely not all the citizens of Russia deserve scorn?

We'll see how this plays out. Now is too early to make calls.

In any case, the behavior of your "friends" was becoming unacceptable. It was either this war, or an eternity of sucking Western dick.

I never will be.

When does Putin's war crimes trial start?

Come now, Jon, there are things in you that can be loved.

I didn't write I linked to a russian social scientist who came up with the division... (and 3 types, not 4)

I blame all of them because it's a collective failure of massive proportions. The radicals wouldn't be a faction without apathy of the laymen and the ineffectiveness of the liberals...

I might absolve some individuals like the blogger "inside russia" who's horrified by the war and the effects on the country but at some level all russians have to be blamed and russians like the guy of inside russia recognize that....

Trying to be nice to russians because 'not all of them are like that' just empowers their apathy.

A great deal, though not by the orcs.

Not that they'll be in a position to show their vile 'love' for much longer.

Actually, it was the West (at least Western Europe) who was sucking your dick; some people in Germany and France are still trying to give you a discrete blowjob in secret, but they have to be careful now - the American husband is more vigilant these days :D


So, at some level all Poles have to be blamed for PiS and all Germans for Scholz? Even those who didn't vote for them? :(

:):):) Namely how?? By constant warnings sent to ruSSians while they were gathering troops around Ukraine???


Come on, that claim is against the facts. RuSSia has been weakening gradually for several years in all spheres, there are multiple articles about their diminishing share in the global market etc.


That is the infamous RuSSian madness which has always fascinated many people in the West. Now that special time has come again when RuSSians are committing a national suicide by their own hands. AmaSSing. And very beneficial for Poland and Europe.

Ostensible warnings, yes. However, what was going on behind the curtains we will never know and won't see on TV.


Russia is never as weak as she seems, and as far as I can remember NS2 was about to be opened (and would have been, if it hadn't been for what happened in February) which would tighten the Russian economic grip on Europe even more. Also, without embargoes Russia would still have access to high-tech imports and would be able to strengthen her military industry - so provoking them to a war (how exactly it was done, only the powers-that-be know) that would eventually relegate them to 3rd geopolitcal league made a lot of sense. Think outside the box, pawian, things are not always as obvious as they are on evening news.


...and this, as I said, is shocking. They shouldn't have fallen for it so easily. I really tend to believe that Putin was surrounded by a clique of sycophants and brown-nosers, so he eventually believed in his own propaganda and fell for the provocation. Do you see any other plausible explanation of this madness?

RuSSian character.
There is a nice historical naalogy: Tsat Nicolai III started the Crimean war in 1856 cos he had been personally offended by Turks who had refused to yield to his banal demand. The war which RuSSians fought against Turkey and other European powers and eventually lost.