Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

So Zelensky launches a missile into Poland and blames Putan in order to drag NATO into the war?

And it shows total disrespect they have towards Poland.

Ukraine uncovers Russian torture chamber in Kherson

msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-uncovers-russian-torture-chamber-in-kherson/ar-AA14bswD?cvid=1025040d63fd490b9b3c7957dde67a1b

One more reason to start bombing Moscow.
It's time the Russian civilians experience some of the pain and suffering so this war will end a little quicker.
Take out Putin's not so secret bunker in Central Africa at the same time.

not what happened.... be better informed or you're not better than jr....

Ukraine has a great deal of respect for Poland.

Ukrainian workers are now paying more Polish tax than they are costing in upkeep.

We are here for our democratic slav brothers and sisters. Unlike the Serb / Russian murder brotherhood, our relations with the Ukrainians are about love for our fellow man

Where did jr say anything to the contrary or are you still upset that I corrected you.
All I can say is that it was a blessing that everyone had such great communications between each country, so the incident didn't escalate out of control.

No, econ genius. What they pay in taxes is not even close to what your government spends on their kid's education, medical care, and other welfare.

If the nonsense you claim was true, you should invite another million or two.


If you know of a more corrupt and lawless place in Europe than Ukraine, name it.

Pussy Peskov now on record publicly stating that Russia is taking out all the energy and water facilities because Ukraine wont negotiate. This is essentially an admission of trying to harm civilians in order to force their will upon people. All the more reason to send generators and anything else we can while bombing the $hit out of the Orc's. Disgusting people showing exactly why three more Russians just got convicted and life sentences in absentia over the downing of MH17 in 2014. Have to agree with JR. time to start taking out some Russian cities and give them a taste of their own medicine.

@Novichok
Russia, Romania and Hungary. Having been to and paid bribes in all three in order to conduct business anywhere without being robbed or denied access. You have been out of Europe for far too long to comment on the levels of corruption.

They should have done it on Day One. The US didn't and lost the war and 58,000 men. Stooopid.

russia (if you have very low standards about what you consider to be 'Europe'... )

And you are soooo stuck in the past... it's no longer 2013 and Ukraine has moved on while RT talking points haven't....

corruption has been, still is and will be an issue in Ukraine for the foreseeable future but they continue to make efforts to reign it in... unlike russia.... in fact I'll reference this again that points out that efforts to reign in oligarchs (mostly russian controlled) are a contributing factor to the invasion...

twitter.com/mattsteinglass/status/1585754160812679170

another thread on reconstruction after russia is defeated...

twitter.com/mattsteinglass/status/1590104913769820164

get your brain into the current year and revisit your opinions....

Russians complaining about Ukrainian thieves ? I have heard it all now

Russian rapists have spent 8 months looting innocent civilians in Ukraine

Fortunately defeat is at hand for them.

I now understand why there will be no more divisions of poland. Because it will be named reorganization from outside. ;)

A few of the new states would be russian majority... those who find themselves with minority status will receive aid to relocate (I'm sure the locals won't be sad to see them go...)


darn tootin' there won't... Poland has never caused 1 % of the misery and violence and death brought forth from the cursed and inferior land of russia... enemy to all that is good and humane, devoted to theft, falsehood and violence...

Footage of Western supplied anti-air defence systems (Iris-T and NASAMS) shooting down Russian rockets.

youtu.be/nS6JQsiMmzU
Hopefully the Ukrainians can hold out until more aid arrives.

@Tacitus

Thanks for that link.
Amazing footage of how American and British anti missile systems work.

note that the missile attacks are not a sign of strength but of russian weakness.... they're desperate to negotiate so putain can try to sell his disastrous war as some kind of victory and save his life....

russia only talks about the need for negotiations when they're doing really badly.... and they've been talking about it a lot

the important thing is to stand strong and make it clear that invasions are not the way to change borders (if they succeed then Africa, for example, will erupt in a whole bunch of border conflicts which presumably nobody wants).

The future regime of Russia is up to the Russian people. We just want the regime to be toothless and clawless, so that it cannot cause suffering in Europe.

Right now Ukrainians break the teeth and pull out claws of the Russian bear. Without anesthesia. And they're doing a good job. That's why the West sends them support.

I completely agree and with the rest of your post too.
The West must not back down with their support for Ukraine, in fact, there are arguments in favour of us increasing it.
Ukraine needs fighter jets.
Either for their pilots or flown by RAF or USAF pilots.
They desperately need air support to win this war.

I think NASAMs are from the USA/Norway (according to Wikipedia) and the Iris T are from Germany.

@Tacitus

British supplies to Ukraine;

NLAW and Javelin anti-tank missiles, and Starstreak anti-air missiles, are all being provided to Ukraine.
As far as I can tell, Germany has so far provided very little.

Ah, those polish metaphors...Did you consider that Russia does not want to kill Ukrainian civilians or the numbers would be a lot higher?

What about Polish people?

Zelensky went on TV and blamed Russian for launching missiles against Poland when it was actually the Ukraine. Then he tried to gaslight the world into starting WWIII with his lies.

And nothing but crickets from the US media.

Thankfully, most nations didnt buy his BS.

Quoting:

Ukraine has been accused of "openly lying" about a missile that hit Poland killing two civilians, earlier this week, the Financial Times reported on Thursday citing an unnamed diplomat from a NATO country.

The comments come in response to President Vladimir Zelensky claiming that Ukraine had nothing to do with the missile that struck Przewodow, Poland, on Tuesday, insisting that it was Russia that launched the weapon.

"Babies thrown out of incubators" - the Ukrainian version.

Hey, polish military geniuses, suppose that rocket was fired by the Russians. Now what? Article 5 or still only a very strong condemnation?

Article 5 actions MAY consist of very strong condemnation. ;) Or not so strong... It depends...

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

I do not see here anything that make use of armed force mandatory. ;) And, to be frank, Poland is quite distant from North Atlantic area. ;)

The Associated Press issued a correction on Wednesday after "erroneously" reporting that Russian missiles impacted Poland killing two people on Tuesday.
In the correction, the AP stated, "In earlier versions of a story published November 15, 2022, The Associated Press reported erroneously, based on information from a senior American intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Try attacking a member then. :) Russia never did that, I wonder why.


Not as distant as Turkey. :)

All good and well, but I don't think those were ahown in the video. Javelina have as far as I recall a different interception path.


That hasnt been true for some time, and the deliveries done since October will put the German aid close in value to what has been sent from the UK.

All the supporters for the Orcs have ignored the torture of Ukraine citizens. Velund and others claim that the people of Ukraine are brothers or cousins and really are Russian. Ok, would you torture, rape and kill your brother or cousin? Would you kill or harm his children? Would you burn his house down because he decided to speak another language or had different political views? That bull$hit argument can be dropped completely. Maybe today it is satanist, militant, Nazi, or unfriendly government? What is the soup of the day for justification?

Clearly though little boy Vlad is afraid of bringing the US or NATO directly into the war. When Russia compliments the US on their restraint, it is done out of fear alone. The tough talk from Orc cheerleaders has made no difference here or in the court of public opinion. And all the while Orc supporters scream into the abyss, Orc's continue to get liquidated in Ukraine. Orc's now send missile after missile only to have 80% or more shot down. The desperation of the Orcs is showing, and it is getting really cold now. Snow is falling, ground will be freezing, rivers will be freezing, and Orcsicle's will be made nightly now. And in case all the Orc supporters forgot, Russia is losing. Happy gulag biatches!

Of course they would torture and kill fellow Russians - they don't care about anybody and they grow up thinking other ordinary Russians are scum

The only thing they care about is showing off their new yachts and handbags

This is so wrong that you're jr / novichok territory.... why are you simping for russia? Have you become a zhopnik?

@maf, I'm guessing that Joker is buying into the narration of some nutjob right-wing "experts" in the US.


Not against Poland, but against RuSSian missile. And Zelensky didn't try to "gaslight the world into starting WWIII". As I wrote on the day of the accident when I still thought that the missile was fired by RuSSia - noone would start a world war over one missile accidentally landing on a tractor near a border. Zelensky said it was Ukrainian military who told him that it couldn't be an Ukrainian missile. Maybe they were simply wrong. We don't live in the Middle Ages, considering the level of surveillance the US has over the sky due to war in Ukraine and the fact there would be an investigation by Polish authorities, there would simply be no point in lying about what happened.

I must admitt that it crossed my mind that the US could lie about it (that it was an Ukrainian missile instead of RuSSian) in order to "calm down the situation" so it wouldn't "escalate" (and maybe that's what Zelensky was afraid of). I hope that it isn't the case and the investigation is going to be honest and thorough.

Anyway, the investigation is on-going, there are Polish experts from Central Bureau of Investigation working on the site, from Central Forensic Laboratory, from Polish Police Headquarters and other services and they have international help too, from what I've read. So I'm sure the best people available are investigating this:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/policja-publikuje-zdjecie-z-przewodowa-6834559220423328a


RuSSia!