Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

@Novichok
And the "snake" is still winning. Russia can do nothing and can not win. It is strategically impossible for Russia to win. It is over and has been for months. All Russia can do now is hurt civilians. They can bomb and bomb and nothing will change. Ukraine will keep gaining territory back and the Russians will freeze along with everyone else. How many hundreds of thousands of Russians will be slaughtered to gain nothing?

@Bobko
As for what Russia wants, no one GAF. What cant you or anyone else understand. Ukraine is not Russia, so Russia has no say, now GTF out. Simple. If not your Russian boys will continue to be slaughtered. So why haven't you signed up to fight? Get out of the US, you are not welcome. You are a traitor to Russia for not fighting and a traitor to the US for supporting Russia. You are not worthy of the US.

There was a guy who did just that - Fidel Castro. People are fleeing Cuba until today.

a lot of russians are okay with that... I'm told that russian twitter and telegram was full of celebrations when the maternity hospital was hit in Zaporizhzhia... (there were also eruptions of russian joy when the disabled 4 year old girl was killed in Vinnitsya

a very sick culture....putain is the symptom.... russian values are the disease.....

Like ones below? ;)

I have noticed a distinct lack of updated Russian maps by our Russian users recently. What is the spin of Russian propaganda on the liberation of Kherson by Ukrainian forces? A Russian city under Ukrainian occupation?

No. A Russian city under temporary Ukrainian occupation. Just like Germany is under temporary US occupation.
Oops, sorry, ... make it permanent. 77 years later is permanent.

The glavset trolls who infest newspaper comments field in the UK, using English names and writing in grammar that looks like it came from a B2 textbook and is always strangely wrong have a daily script that they all follow.

The liberation of Kherson was a "planned regrouping", there are no setbacks at all since everything is going to plan and we're all wasting our money and freezing to death for the sake of American ambitions. Apparently the UK is broken (it didn't look 'broken' last week when I was there), the NHS apparently is suffering due to Ukraine (it isn't; it works very well), our Prime Ministert is 'unelected (he isn't) and Putler's successor is likely to be far more hard line and nuke us all.

In conservative newspapers, they bang on that there's an 'invasion' of Albanian migrants and that the Prime Minister has brown skin, and in labour-supporting newspapers they bang on about inflation and the alleged politics of some Ukrainians.

Nobody plans to give up what they control but it is often done when the math of losses vs gains goes against holding. In this case, Russians were smarter than Polish romantic brigades fighting till the last man.

BTW, you are so cute saying bs and arguing with it.

Are we setting up betting pools?

I see five possibilities

a) Prigozhin (dreadful... a ghoul who would kill millions for nothing)
b) Kadyrov (would even the sheeplike russian masses accept him?)
c) Patrushev jr (supposedly the official choice at present but I don't see him lasting long)
d) Lukashenka (only way he'll agree to 'union state' now....)
e) Someone we've never heard of?

Any predictions?

Yes. Donbas and Crimea are Russian forever. The eight years since 2014 make this outcome more likely than not.

For once, there has been no spin. Nobody has tried to sell this to us Russians as a "gesture of goodwill", or some "voluntary strategic reconfiguration". Finally, a spade was called a spade.

They used the "fresh" credibility of the new commanding general, Surovikin (known to the press as General Armageddon), to tear off this painful bandage. So then, we are to think that his predecessors were woefully incompetent and he is merely executing a withdrawal forced upon him through their errors. This is somewhat more reasonable then what was pushed before, but still leaves many questions unanswered. His decision to carpet bomb Ukraine has quelled some of the discontent over the Kherson withdrawal, also.

In general, this is the biggest Russian military defeat since gaining our independence in 1991. That would be the correct way to describe what happened, yes.

Many, many people have been left scratching their heads. Why do Ukrainians defend places like Mariupol or Lisichansk until they are cornered like rats, while we withdraw from huge cities untouched by combat? Why was Kherson not turned into a Ukrainian Mariupol/Vietnam, when there were 30K soldiers there? These types of questions are asked - and the answer is: "we are not Ukrainians, we care about our people". As much as I would like to believe that, as a Russian, I can't help but be skeptical.

No it won't be any of them. None are allowed outside of Russia because they are war criminals

Really it's up to the Ukrainians who they choose to supervise disarmament and the transition to democracy

That's why:


The river and a couple of bridges that can be taken out were another reason.

Yes. Someone we've barely heard of or not at all.

Each time one of their dictators is recalled to hell, there are putative successors. The actual successor usually turns out to be someone waiting quietly in the wings.

We can expect a period of chaos similar to that when Stalin died.


The biggest is yet to come. But soon....

Because Putin went soft.

Somebody should have told him that a while back one group of Americans killed 250,000 other Americans when they were so ordered. Today, they are the heroes who saved the Union. So, go ahead and kill as many Ukrainians as you want to save Russia.

And, of course, that "shock and awe". It sure works better than nice and slow.

For months they told us they had stockpiled enough munitions on the other side of the river to organize a spirited defense of the city. Those of us that watched in horror as our Russian soldiers cleared cities block by block in the worst urban combat since WW2, were salivating over a chance to catch the Ukrainians in an epic urban battle of their own. Instead, we left quietly in the night. This doesn't sit well with people. Forcing Ukraine into a blackout has been little consolation, since - as I said above - many of us expected this to happen on Day 1. Now, everyone is waiting to see where these 30K will show up along the front, and if they'll be able to make a difference there along with the other 300K fresh men joining the fight.

In fact, the Russians back home are pis*sed off because Putin was too slow revving up, not because he was too rough. His replacement has already taken notice of this.

Yes. Also me and Velund have been pissed off, if you look back through our messages all the way to February. The way the war was prosecuted for the first 8 months was impossible to understand.

We are not some Goebbels-type, "you want total war, we will give you total war", people. As I've tried to explain numerous times, I love Ukraine. The point was for the pain to be sharp but brief.

In conclusion to my desperate rant, I want to say that my faith in our final victory is not shaken - faggots in the Kremlin and MoD notwithstanding. The Russian people always prevail.

Don't worry; this time they won't prevail.

@jon357

Jon, I want to be clear that I meant "faggots" in the non-homophobic sense. I meant it in the sense that they are engaged in faggotry. Please see Merriam Webster or Oxford definition of "faggotry".

Who cares?

All that's important is that Ukraine prevails, is free to be part whatever international alliances it wants, that r*SSia pays full reparations for every bit of damage (human or material) that it has done, that their war criminals are tried and punished and that r*SSia is rendered into a state where they can never, ever invade a neighbour again.

Hmm.

Do you feel that Germany and Japan have been rendered into countries that can " never, ever invade a neighbour again."?

Germany had it very easy after the war; no reparations and we were even going short of food in order to send it to Germany who were after all the aggressors in that conflict. Nevertheless, we can see they are no longer a military threat to anyone and (apart from cosying up to Putler to get cheap hydrocarbons) are on the whole benign. Japan have behaved impeccably since the war.

And Germany only did it twice; r*SSia invade their neighbours every few years.

At least they're no longer a superpower and are failing badly in their latest outrage.

What do you think about their disastrous failure in Kherson?

Hey, English teacher, look up "exterminate" and "enslave" before you compare Germany and Russia.


Hey, English teacher, look up "disastrous". The tsunami in 2004 was disastrous. Russian troops leaving K was not "disastrous".

Very true.... russian troops leaving Xerson was the best thing to happen to it since russian troops arrived in the first place!


putain thought he'd be welcomed and after finally realizing that wasn't true.... russia has been doing the best it can but the russian army after decades of negative selection and constant theft.... just isn't very good.

Even the infrastructure attacks now are becoming less effective with Ukrainian ingenuity and other countries chipping in generators on a massive scale.... as one Ukrainian writer said paraphrasing "russia just spent millions of dollars to turn off my lights for a few hours"...

So next step is just flat out terror targeting of civilians on a mass scale (to the extent that the degraded russian military can manage that....).

Whether or not they can is irrelevant if the people no longer want to. Who knows, maybe your people will one day appreciate water toilets more than waging wars on your neighbours.


Since you have given a thougtful reply, I'll give you one as well. You seem to know what your country is doing to the Ukrainian people. Keep that in mind. In the future, once Russia is defeated and the realization of what your country has done sinks in, you won't be able to ease your conscious by feigning ignorance. You knew what happened. You had access to foreign information and were told the truth by many people, yet chose to reject it. That is the guilt you will have to live with.

Hey troll, just as the orcs thought they's win "hearts and minds". Instead they got NLAWs, HIMARS and piles of their own rotting corpses as far as the eye can see.

Because Russia is fighting the US, with the Urks being the useful idiots as proxies.
That Z-P looks more negative by the day. If you don't believe me, the PF genius, go there of a couple of weeks and tell us how it went - if you manage come back.

Don`t be stupid. Ukrainians are fighting for their lives now - if RuSSists prevail, they will have to exterminate half Ukraine to pacify it. Everybody knows it.


Why not?? Tucks with humanitarian aid constantly shuttle between Poland and Ukraine - both private and institutional and drivers come back and go again.

You have made a request to him that in his case is impossible to fulfil.


Which is now also an impossibility. The west won't back down; it is too far gone. The Ukrainians will never give in.