Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

@Velund
Despite your pro Russian post, reading between the lines I can feel worry and concern.

Before the Kursk even sank, back in 2000.

No potato for you today, orc.

Hey, 'Velund'

Did you see the so-called meeting between Putler and fake orcs' mothers. They were the same actresses that follow him round posing as members of the public. One of them was even wearing the same nasty frock that she put on when she was stood next to him at a rally.

And it wasn't even Vladolf Putler. It was one of his doubles with his ugly head photoshopped on afterwards. Badly photoshopped in a really amateurish way. The real ratfaced katsap is probably cowering in his bunker, shıtting himself at his very inevitable fate when he's caught and gets to meet his destiny with piano wire.

You should watch the film; they don't even bother to synchronise the audio with the movement of his nasty lips.

These pictures are hilarious:

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Anything that changes suddenly and drastically is troubling and disturbing. One of the strongest Chinese curses is "that you live in the age of changes". I am entering the second such era in my life, and I am almost certain that the outcome will be positive. What is beneficial in the long run is far from always pleasant in the here and now. ;)

All Russian propaganda is hilarious.
Is Velund really so stupid that he falls for it?
I doubt it.....he is just in denial.

A bit of both with the denial high.

It will be a pretty horrible 20 or 30 years for r*SSians.

Yeah, Russia is fvcked!

Children, today we will discuss a new term: useful idiots. Quoting:

EU believes US is profiting from Ukraine conflict - Politico
America is cashing in on the conflict while the bloc is left out in the cold, senior officials have reportedly said.

Senior EU officials are angry at the administration of US President Joe Biden, arguing that Washington is capitalizing on the Ukraine conflict and the bloc's economic problems, Politico reported on Thursday, citing sources.

One senior official who was interviewed by the outlet said that the US is profiting from the conflict the most because "they are selling more gas and at higher prices, and because they are selling more weapons."

If you read the above, you know now who the useful idiots are: Ukrainians doing the dying and Western Euros doing the paying and shivering.

The winner the useful idiots serve is the USA aka America. Go, Joe, go!

Novi, back a few months ago you said that NATO provoked Putin into this war.
At the time I was hesitant to believe that however as time has passed, I now agree with you 100%.
There is a very simple solution to end this war.
Congress can end the war in Ukraine and win a Nobel Peace Prize by enacting a statute withdrawing the United States from NATO transforming it from a mighty offensive war machine into a tiny unalarming mouse to Russia.

To much money being made by the wrong people to do that though.

Biden is giving away 10s of Billions of dollars to the corrupt government of Ukraine. Meanwhile he adds 87K new IRS enforcement agents to hassle and collect more taxes from us.

We need this money here at home fixing our problems first.

Let the cheap ass EU pay for its wars.

As I said, if the roles were reversed and the Warsaw Pact did to the US what NATO is doing to Russia, the US would go apesh*it. And rightly so. I would be the first one to cheer Americans killing Russians and their allies.

And we wouldn't even bother to explain why some babies died. It would go under "tough sh*it, America first and nothing else matters".

Any a-hole here who would claim that the US has no right to do this or that would get two middle fingers, not just one.


I don't think this will change with neocons and RINOs in control.

As we here are fond of saying: Guests are like fish. They stink after three days. In Poland, it's 120 days. Quoting RT.com:

In September, 12 of Germany's 16 states-which collectively have accepted roughly 1 million Ukrainian refugees-reported that they had reached the limits of the housing and education they could provide. On Nov. 1, Austria restricted the free train travel it had provided to all Ukrainians to only those arriving in the country for the first time. In the U.K., a third of the arrivals housed under the Homes for Ukraine scheme are reaching their expiration date, with no clear plan for rehousing them in place yet. And Poland recently amended its provisions to require any Ukrainian who stays in the country for more than 120 days to pay for part of their accommodation.

So, PF idiots, even your government is running out of patience to underscore that, as I often say, everything in life is defined in numbers, not lofty nouns and cute adjectives.

Even brotherly love.

BTW, more are coming...

@Velund
When people with money run out of money or cant fix their cars Russians get happy. This is exactly one of the core reasons Russia has always failed and will always fail. Jealousy runs deep in Russia. Every news report, and information coming from people within Russia contradict everything you say. Enjoy your Turkish jeans, maybe they can bring back some Kazakhstan televisions and cell phones that are the size of a small child. Your posts now only expose you for being nothing more than a complete liar trying to spread disinformation.

Putin himself once again said the complete opposite of what Novi and the other useful Putinazi's are preaching. The war is because he said Russia has played by the west's rules for the last 30 years. This is not a statement on NATO, but a statement on the collapse of the USSR. That is the only reason this war was started. Every other bull$hit reason being given here is not even Putin's reasons. This is about trying to recreate the fallen USSR and the USSR was a fvcking joke. He wants to turn back the clock to a time when Russians were even worse off than today. This is not a leader who wants whats best for his country it is a leader who wants whats best for the elite that he is one of. This is a man who thinks if Ukraine falls back into the Russian sphere, that other countries will follow.

And now for all the useful idiots who preach the US should stop assisting, you need to ask yourself if the US wants to go back to a cold war. Because if Ukraine falls it gets a lot worse for everyone after that. The money being put into Ukraine is nothing in the US scheme of business operations. Yes, as I have said many time the US will eventually profit from this. Macron is right, the US is selling a lot of LNG to the EU. What he is not saying is that it is his and Merkel's fvcking fault for setting up the EU to be dependent on Russia and if not the US who is going to run to their aid? The rhetoric is humorous now. Imagine nothing happening to defend Ukraine, and Putin rolling into southern Poland on Christmas morning. If that doesnt make everyone think about how important killing this POS is then you have no brain at all.

@johnny reb
Pol Am was not always positive, at the beginning of this war he was more interested in the stock market than in people, but now he does a very good job. Paulina too, she has a very good heart.

It should have been done much earlier, in fact - it should have been done in the beginning. Nobody would call us terrorists, and instead everyone would be very impressed by how much "ka-BOOM!" the Russian army can make. Now, we find ourselves having to bomb the Ukrainians back to the Stone Age anyway, but it's after everybody has decided that our military is sh!t and the people in charge are terrorists. As is our historic tradition, we do everything ass-forwards and then attempt to fix it through "heroic" interventions.

I understand there may be some winter-related logic here, where freezing the Ukrainians half to death will make them more amenable to peace... but I said what I think above.

Nope. There was absolutely no need whatsoever for any russian presence in Ukraine. None. No demand at all. No need.

Now there is a very big demand for russian absence from Ukraine.


Primitive thinking... so typical of the inferior russian.... "culture" (culture the same way flesh-eating bacteria is "culture")

The enlightened West has prosecuted their wars in this way. Whether with the Yugoslavs, or Iraqis, or Lebanese, etc. Always they begin by casting their opponent into darkness.

For whatever reason, in the beginning of the operation our military-political leadership decided that this approach is "barbaric" and we will defeat the Ukrainians with rays of sunshine emanating from our assh0les. Now, everyone, including the Ukrainians, has to pay the price.

The reason was that your sclerotic, sick crazy old Tsar (whom you are powerless to rid yourselves of) was completely misinformed and thought russian invaders would be welcomes with flowers.

It's the same reason that there were no logistics in the beginning... he thought that the Ukrainian army would join the russian invaders and no logistics would be needed.

The entire reason for the war was the idiotic idea that Ukrainians are really russians who are misguided.

It should be clear even to the most insistently ignorant that that is not the case and Ukrainians want a future without you in it.


russia will pay the price for the hubris and mad imperial dreams of the Tsar.... and I won't care.

Ukraine will be infinitely better of without malign and inferior russian influence....

Perhaps if you help them relocate wholesale to Namibia, or better yet Mars - Ukrainians will be able to enjoy life without looking over their shoulders at Russia constantly. However, as long as geography and physics remain factors - Ukrainians will have to deal with us and learn to live with us in a way that doesn't make us want to invade them.

See that's crazy talk. You sound like a crazy abusive husband who complains that his wife "makes" him beat her up. This is not normal thinking. Especially since Ukraine wasn't doing anything that would annoy a normal country (which russia clearly is not).

russia is a deeply sick and broken country....

Oh, so I suppose "normal" countries aren't fazed by their natural gas being stolen by the billions. "Normal" countries don't get upset when their strategic naval bases are threatened with expulsion. "Normal" countries encourage other countries to ride rough-shod over their linguistic minorities. "Normal" countries love it when they're honored by their neighbors through wholesale appropriation of history. "Normal" countries also must think it's desirable for neighbors to join rival military alliances and trade blocs.

It's normal to suckle on Russia's teet for 20 years, receive hundreds of billions in subsidized gas and investment, and then call us dumb orcs as you waive us goodbye on your merry trip to the EU. Hahahahaha!

Russia is indeed a very abnormal country, by your standards.

They haven't been sucking on your teats. They have been quietly trying to build a free market and democracy and having some success in that.

You need to abandon this idea of yourself as a benevolent mother - Russia is run by hated tyrants and nobody wants to be dependent on them anymore.

The only sucking on teats that will occur now will be in the amateur **** films that will be your biggest export now that nobody wants your poisonous oil.

You could forget forever about strategic naval bases. Turkey and Romania control the black sea, Sweden and Finland and Poland will control the Baltic, and your rusty ships can be turned into casinos or maybe accommodation for migrants from the Syrian and African conflicts that you sponsor.

And of course the Ukraine wants to be on their merry way to the EU - they have seen the increase in living standards and freedom of the ex Soviet brothers, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

All of that is Putin's fault, and widely the fault of Russian society. He has destroyed you as a world power, you are now at the same level as the Philippines or Argentina, just with much worse food and much worse weather.

@Bobko

Keep ranting.... maybe you'll tire yourself out and realize that your list is.... not real....

@Bobko, it's normal to be upset about such things, but normal countries don't invade their neighbours for such reasons. Mafketis is right. If your society thinks the way you do, then you're all sick in the head.


How about you live with your neighbours in a way that doesn't make them want to join NATO or do something else that... "upsets" you? Didn't it cross your mind that countries can meet half way and it doesn't have to be YOUR way all the way?


Yes, I'm afraid the flaws of the RuSSian society are reflected in the way they treat other countries:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_Russia

In the past I couldn't understand what's wrong with RuSSia, why they have such problems with dealing with their neighbours - I thought it was due to communism and Soviet propaganda. But now I'm thinking it's not only that - it seems to be a deeper issue with their mentality.

List is very real, and unfortunately not complete. I encourage you to demonstrate to me which of the points was not accurate.

It never occurred to any of our other neighbors, to do half the crazy sh!t Ukraine did.

@Bobko, which things on that list are such "crazy sh!t"? Because, again, I haven't noticed anything that would warrant a military invasion of a country and killing your "brothers" (which is a really crazy sh!t).

language for one.

In the USSR, people could speak Ukrainian on their own but were obliged to know russian for some purposes. In independent Ukraine the roles were reversed, people could speak russian on their own but they were now obliged to know Ukrainian for some purposes.

This is a normal shift in language policy that is completely understandable and while it might be uncomfortable at times for those most affected does not amount to riding "rough-shod" over linguistic minorities. The elected president is primarily a russian speaker with very shaky Ukrainian when he was elected....

As for Sevastopol.... Ukraine's mistake was not claiming it in the early 1990s as it allowed russia to imagine itself a great power in the Black Sea.... it's not. Turkey is.

Others can deal with the rest...

Really? As far as language policy is concerned Estonia was rougher than Ukraine with their RuSSian minority from what I know. During the time when I was discussing with RuSSians pro-Putin RuSSians were calling Estonians and Latvians Nazis. Only later there was a switch to Ukrainians.

Also most of your European neighbours are members of either NATO or the EU or both.
And most of your European neighbours have problems with the way RuSSia and RuSSians view our "common" history and vice versa.

And no invasions??

None of this matters. What matters is that Russia decided that the snake will crawl no farther. Period. End of discussion. What remains is for the snake admirers to decide how many of them will die while decoding the message from Moscow. Since Ukraine is a "democracy", whatever happens there is with their citizens' approval.

Sevastopol was never assigned as part of Crimea administratively. It was separate entity at same level as Ukrainian SSR was. So, when Khruschev handed Crimea to UkrSSR, Sevastopol left at "union" level. And Russia never recognized its transfer to Ukraine. It was subject to negotiation since then (ended completely in 2014).

As for language - show me at least one law in USSR that LIMIT use of ukrainian language on public or in schools. I can give you requisites of corresponding ukrainian laws accepted quite a long time ago. And, FINALLY, read full official text of Minsk II accords, that was sabotaged by ukrainian side, instead of quoting propaganda crap from MSM. Also, look up for what was "Steinmeier formula" and why bandera-prayers so furiously hate German president since its inception.

It will be when Ukraine takes Crimea....


Then why were russian soldiers burning Ukrainian language books?


Different thing entirely... there was no "russian minority" in Ukraine there were russian-speaking Ukrainians... some of whom were resistant to change....

It's putain propaganda/lies that say that anyone who speaks russian _is_ russian.... Mexicans aren't Spaniards, Quebecois are not French and Ukrainians are not russians...*

*I kind of like Timothy Snyder's idea that Ukraine should make it's own dictionaries and own standard version of russian the way that the US does with English or Argentina does with Spanish....