Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

And of course their economy is far more trashed that they are admitting.

@jon357
Russians can't get car parts, coke, McDonald's or Levi's the simple things they have taken for granted for the last 30 years. They cannot travel to most places even if they have another passport because so many nations are simply unfriendly environments for them now. The Russian economy will completely collapse when the stock markert is open for foreign investors to pull their money out. It is still completely propped up because it is a closed market.

While disaster feels like it is setting in for many Russians, the real disaster has not even started.

That's my feeling too.

r*SSia is not going to be a pleasant place to be for a long time.

The mindset of r*SSians is bizarre.

No one in Britain or Poland wishes death to children - r*SSian or otherwise.

Obviously we feel anger when we see yet more atrocities committed by the orcs, and therefore, like the Nazis before them, we wish those forces and those that sent them come to a painful death.

This isn't "blinded" hate though. It is the acceptance of r*SSians themselves to their forces murdering and raping on a grand scale that we find bizarre. Because frankly it means there is something deeply sick within the r*SSian conscience.

russians outside moscow or st. petersburg don't know Levi's or McDonald's so they won't notice any change.

@Alien
Lets add Samsung phones, TV's and all the other electronic goodies. Based on my experience, every big city in Russia is going to notice. Sochi and others with more than 100K residents will be feeling the most first. Imagine not being able to get your laptop fixed or a new phone when yours fell in the sink? Imagine those people with private shops who bought up supplies and the price gouging now taking place before the holidays. Cannibalism runs deep in Russia when it comes to feasting on everyone around you when you get the opportunity. The system is designed just for this. The ruthless will survive and the weak will die. Happy gulag biatches!

Poland would not have to invoke Article 5. Invoking is optional. So, you can go to Ukraine, beat Russia into a bloody mess, and come back home victorious. Simple.

A Russian war against Japan would have been awesome - like those dudes in the US who recreate civil war battles this could have been a live action repeat of 1904 and maybe even the 1905 Revolution

It shows how screwed up Russia was that they were even thinking of this.

Poor little Vlad is getting pushback from the mommies he is talking to. They aren't buying his bull$hit and are talking back to him and beginning to chant "no war". And he didn't even talk to the most vocal antiwar mommy group in Russia. Why? Because he is a pu$$y when it comes down to it. Just like every other so called tough Russian I have met. Talk tough but when faced with a real challenge, they all back away.

Wow... How f*cked up is that... o_O'
Pity Japan can't join NATO :/


No, I already explained it to you that Poland can't do that.

Does that include the russian orthodox church?

A Ukrainian raid on the russian orthodox church in Chernivtsi found an archimandrite in bed with a member of the choir... apparently they were.... "praying"....

twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1596149837363298310

nb the russian orthodox church is inextricably bound up with putain's mafia state

Just like the world's greatest superpower - the US - started folding after two photos from Vietnam and the Kent events.


Sure it can. Article 5 does not prevent member states from going to war as they please. The US will not ask Estonia or Albania for their permission to defend Taiwan. Trust me on this one.

So you can do it today if you want to. There is NOTHING that's stopping you, my brave Poles.

@Novichok
And how fvcked up was the US with demonstrations and activism against the government for years? How bad was the distrust inside the US for years? The US only withstood it because it was a democracy. Russia is not, and could never stand the pressure of the people if this was their Vietnam. Putin would be dead or fold like the house of cards he lives in.

Still better than giving Ukraine back to russia.

It could have been over a long time ago if NATO ever grew a pair.

Now you want to embarrass yourself? When did Russia want Ukraine back? Never.
Russia wants Ukraine to be neutral and NATO-free. The second thing is self-determination for the Russian-speaking territories - just like Kosovo did and Scotland tried.

But it doesn't "please" Poland to go to war. As I already told you - majority of Poles don't want Polish army to be sent to Ukraine.


And how do you know that?

You really are incapable of taking in new information, aren't you?

The entire war is based on russian inability to accept the existence of a country called Ukraine.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Russians_and_Ukrainians

In a narrow sense, you might be right in that putain doesn't want Ukraine back.... he wants it to not exist.

No one who knows russia or who has followed putain more than you and I put together takes the idea that the war has anything to do with NATO seriously.

Find a russian expert (that is an expert who is russian) who claims that... it's all westerners trying to ascribe rational motives to an irrational war.

Because they never said they wanted Ukraine back. They said they wanted Ukraine neutral, NATO-free, and self-determination for the Russian-speaking territories. Just like Kosovo.
The French in Canada, and the Scots in Scotland.


You said "can't". Now "don't want". Which one is it? Can't means unable. Don't want means a lack of desire.

@Novichok, what RuSSians say is meaningless, because they lie. Before the invasion Putin told Scholz that they won't invade Ukraine. He lied. You don't know what Putin really wanted and why - you don't live in his head.


Both.

Poland is in NATO. We can't just start a war with RuSSia on our own, because that would affect not only us, but the whole of NATO. So going into Ukraine would have to be a NATO decision. Poles are not the way you'd like to paint us - some crazy, selfish, irresponsible, stupid a$$holes blinded by hate. Those are RuSSians, not us.

Novichok come on, lets be honest. We both know what this is about for you, its about " planes over Belgrade " and all that and always will be.

You are butthurt towards the West from something that happened over 20 years ago but most people can separate that time from the reality of Putins War and how the invasion of Ukraine is about Putins hubris, narcissism and megalomania

And Putin could have created a positive, enduring historical legacy for himself but all of that is gone forever the moment he invaded Ukraine. The inexorable pages of history are written in the carnage he has created and he will always be remembered as a liar, a warmonger and a leader who is linked to numerous war crimes and is responsible for the most killings of Slavs in modern history.

It would only if you invoke A5. Invoking A5 is optional. If you don't invoke, no nuke WW3. Simple.

In the meantime, my dear Polish suckers, this is where your donations have gone...to sunny France. Quoting:

Bye-bye, Kiev, hello Cote d'Azur: As Westerners send aid, here's how Ukraine's corrupt elites are profiting from the conflict

Since the beginning of Russia's military offensive in Ukraine, the US, EU, and their allies have provided Kiev with $126 billion worth of aid, a number almost equal to the country's entire GDP. Moreover, millions of Ukrainians have found refuge in the EU, where they were given housing, food, work permits, and emotional support.

Now my comment: hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...morons...hahahahahahahahaha...

Wars is what happens when morons can't hear or read...Quoting:

In February 2022, the Kremlin recognized the Donbass republics as independent states and demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join any Western military bloc. On February 24, Russia sent troops into Ukraine, citing Kiev's failure to implement the Minsk agreements. Putin spoke at that time of the need to protect the Russian-speaking population of Donbass.

Simple.

@Novichok, if Poland sent it's army to Ukraine nowadays and RuSSia retaliated against Poland then Poland would have to invoke Article 5, because RuSSia's retaliation would most likely consist of missile attacks on Polish cities and we're defenceless against missiles like Iskanders. Polish "Iron Dome" isn't ready yet and who knows when it's going to be ready. And we don't have nukes either, in case you didn't know that. Poles may be brave, but we're neither stupid nor suicidal, in contrary to what you would like to believe :)


And how is that? I doubt there's much sunlight in Zelensky's bunker.


He lies, when he opens his mouth :)

you're not smart or informed enough to bother with....

Meanwhile, in other news, one of the supposed mothers of dead soldiers who told a moving story about how her son drew enemy fire and whose last words were "let's chop (up) those Ukies"...... is not true.....

twitter.com/andersostlund/status/1596187651887042560

Is it even possible for russians to say or write anything that's true? Miserable, inferior culture drenched in lies from top to bottom.

But Russia has no right to make any demands of Ukraine. They should stick to their own business of making amateur ****.

Whatever entered their tiny minds to make them think they could invade with no consequences?

No, it would not HAVE to. "Have to" means forced. It may choose to if it wants to.
It is obvious that English and logical thinking are foreign to you.


Russia has exactly to same rights as the US when it demanded something from Iraq - whatever it was. Oh, yeah, the nukes ... like the US, India, Israel, and Paki didn't have them.

Nah.


It is, frankly, unbelievable!

Strawman at its stupidest. Who, when, and where in Russia say that there would be no consequences?

Poles are beyond repair.

Spit in the ugly face of whoever told you that. ;) The real problems with parts began to appear only in the luxury segment - and people are frankly laughing at moneybags who put parts from auto junkyards on their cars. Moneybags are not really liked here in general and when the money they've pocketed stops solving their problems immediately, it gives the feeling of being pleased with justice. ;) There are no problems with spare parts for mass-produced car platforms, Asia is rubbing its hands together happily and counting the percentage of sales growth.

As for the hostile atmosphere abroad - we do not care about it on a mass scale. Millions of people have discovered that in Russia itself there are so many interesting places to visit that life is not enough. And behind the demand begins to grow the market for hotel and other local tourist services. New jobs, some in previously rather depressed regions, where apart from natural beauty, little of the benefits of civilization was available to the local population.

McDonald's is now called "Delicious. Period." Two problems do exist - you have to remember the names of analogues of the old burgers (but salesmen will tell you if anything) and there is no exact analogue of the Big Mac. There is a close one, but the mayonnaise taste is a little different, I can feel the difference. Otherwise it's the same as before.

There are piles of Turkish and Russian jeans and other clothes everywhere, I would not say that in the close price segment they are any worse than the world brands in terms of quality.

As for smartphones and other electronics, no problem, unless you belong to a faggot subculture that expels everyone except owners of the latest iPhone model as to "two week ago" date. ;) See above about situation with luxury car parts to understand how masses react. ;)


I suspect that solution will be simple as shot. Locked Russian assets abroad will be exchanged to locked foreign assets in Russia. One to one. Just like POWs exchanged almost every day now. ;)


But not beyond recycle... ;) Experiment is already started on Donbass, especially in Ugledar direction where is hard to hear ukrainian language in VHF/UHF comm bands, only english and polish.

Quoting RT:

Zelensky's wife claims Ukrainians ready to suffer
Freezing cold and electricity shortages "are not the worst thing," she told the BBC

See? The lady organized a referendum and now we know that her countrymen don't mind a little suffering if that leads to NATO membership.

Problem solves and you, Poles, can exhale now.