Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

@johnny reb
LMFAO again you know nothing about me, where I am from or what I have experienced. I do not talk loudly, there is no need. On the contrary I am usually the quietest person in the room. Only fools speak loudly and call people names.

Yes, they had a choice either prison or war. Can't make a guy walk to the front and you aren't going to carry him, so go to jail and wait it out. Simple solution. Or leave like hundreds of thousands did, another simple solution. They didn't because most of these dumb fvcks agree with the war, or are so desperate for money because of the turd world country that it is, they are willing to die to get out or give their parents some cash. None of the Orc families are taking to the streets are they. So offended they sit at home drink the vodka and smoke themselves to death.

Karma? Karma is exactly what the Orc's are experiencing and what Russia is experiencing. All the tough talk and all the threats are leaving them with a destroyed nation that was already suffering. Now they will lose a generation of reproductive men who cannot help with the declining population which accelerates its decline. That is karma at work at its most efficient.

What else can you say about the army which invaded the neighbouring country unprovoked hoping to take over its capital in three days and subdue the entire country later on?

Or should the Ukrainians just beg them: dear enemies, please go back home, we don't want to kill you, we don't want to shoot at you, please, leave our homeland, please, please, please ... and the Russians will listen!

Russia is an utterely failed country totally immersed in its imperial dream.

If 8 years of firing up to 152 mm caliber shells to residental areas (with many victims between Russian citizens) in Donetsk and Lugansk is "unprovoked", which caliber should be considered "provocation"? We really need to know, because we should not "provoke" neighbours when RA come to western borders of gasket between Russia and Poland. Maybe we should avoid use of 203 mm "Pion"?

@Velund
The Orc nation is not coming anywhere close to Poland unless they want to commit suicide for all of Russia. You should pack your things and head to the front to do your part for Mother Russia. Stop talking tough and giving history lessons. Grab a gun and hit the road. You know what your brothers are eating for lunch right now? American brass and gunpowder, all you can eat.

Your posts speak volumes about you.


Except for the fact that those jails in Siberia are a one way train ticket.


Practice what you preach Tommy Tuff.


I would say that NATO putting patriot interceptor missiles on the Russian Ukranian border was what provoked Putin to invade.
Here Ziemowit, you like to read.

foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/12/putin-russia-us-missile-defense-nato-ukraine/

Please cut down on your quotes

Pope says it's the ethinic chechens and buryats that are committing the majority of the war crimes in ukraine.

"In an interview with America, a Jesuit magazine, Pope Francis was asked about his apparent reluctance to directly condemn Russia for the war.

In response he said he received "much information about the cruelty of the troops".

"Generally, the cruellest are perhaps those who are of Russia but are not of the Russian tradition, such as the Chechens, the Buryats and so on," he said."

@amiga500, so the pope is now whitewashing RuSSians by turning into a racist... Wow... lol He's just sinking deeper and deeper :/


I disagree. Calling someone "Mongols" isn't dehumanising because Mongols are people lol The same with "RuSSists" - it's no different than calling someone a Nazi, banderist, facist, commie, leftard, rightard or "ukrop". Orcs are also humanoid creatures, not a disease, animals or insects, so this is not "exactly what the nazis did".

It seems that Ukrainians started calling them "Orcs". I like this one in particular, because I'm a Tolkien fan lol And it fits perfectly, because, ironically, in the discussions between Poles and RuSSians that I took part in for 7 years it was the RuSSians who started calling RuSSia "Mordor", the forces of darkness - they laughed or complained that Poles view RuSSia as Mordor from "The Lord of the Rings" by Tolkien and the West as Elves or Gondor, the forces of light. We were then responding, for example, that Poland is Gondor, not Elves :) It turned out that Ukraine is Gondor though and Elves and Rohan didn't come to it's aid and they're only sending swords and horses...

So, as you can see, it's a metaphor describing the fight between the forces of good and evil (not humans versus animals or insects), which quite possibly was started by RuSSians themselves and Mordor's soldiers were mainly Orcs. Also, the origin of Orcs in the Tolkien lore is interesting - according to one of the legends Orcs were East Elves enslaved, tortured, and then bred by Morgoth (Morgoth is Tolkien's version of Satan).

So, I'd say such metaphor is quite fitting - poetic almost:




Whom do you mean by "us". The US or the West in general?

@johnny reb
Psychoanalyst now? Writing specialist? lol Jail is not a one-way ticket for any Russian but going to Ukraine is. Practicing what I preach every day. Prepared to defend my home in Poland and in the US. Completely at peace with whacking any Russian I see walking down my street if the war came to my door. I speak plainly JR I say what I mean and mean what I say. You can take me quite literally on things of this nature. I am definitely not a person who speaks hollow words.

@amiga500
While the Pope doesn't have the political power he once did, his words will speak to common Russian people. They will not like being seen in this way by the church whether they are Catholic or not. I find it interesting that he made the distinctions between ethnic groups as it could be divisive by traditional Russians and they could influence opinion on the other ethnic groups.

They will be. If you've been following this morning's news.


President Zelensky doesn't 'pontificate'. The so-called 'pontiff' does. He is disingenuous though. Numerous figures within r*SSia pontificate. Nobody believes them.


It is very precisely that; Putler has made it very clear and even wrote a book about it.

Don't you follow the current affairs that you comment on?

What on Earth are you talking about? There were no such missiles in Ukraine and even after the invasion the US doesn't want to send them, because they say they would have to be operated by Americans:

defenseone.com/threats/2022/03/why-us-wont-give-patriot-interceptors-ukraine/363042/

And the system mentioned in the article you linked to has been so far deployed only to Romania (with plans for Poland):

euvsdisinfo.eu/report/the-aegis-ashore-missile-defense-system-in-romania-and-launchers-system-mk-41-are-an-immediate-threat-to-russia#

Sorry, I sent my post too soon by mistake lol (mods, could you delete it?).


RuSSians and DPR and LPR were doing the same for those 8 years and killing Ukrainian citizens, so don't talk as if they were firing flowers on the Ukrainian side lol But it was RuSSia that started it all in 2014 by sending it's "green men" into Ukraine.

Exactly. Again the abuser mindset.... my wife pushed me so I had to break her arm (not mentioning that the slap was self-defense).

I've yet to hear a single, convincing argument from the pro-russia side about what kind of compelling interest russia has in Ukraine to allow it to invade.... it's all twisted arguments that make no sense or pure lies....

It is amassing you care more for RuSSists than Ukrainians. :(:(:(

Darling, it seems you don`t undertstand basic things - Ukrainians are fighting for their survival - if RuSSists prevail, the Nazi style extermination will begin in Ukraine. Now, the only way to repel the invasion is to kill as many RuSSist soldiers as possible. That is why it is really stupid of you to protest against our language coz it NEEDS to be so - RuSSists are fekking Mongols who are murdering Ukrainians and nothing else matters.

Stop your stupidities. We all know you have a soft spot for Russian culture but you are taking it too far, at the cost of Ukrainians who are also fighting for you and me.


Exactly. Are you a teacher of logic in your real life??? :):):)


Darling, can you stop using such a dehumanising language??? Those prehistoric pithecuses weren`t people yet, just apemen.

You really are insane, that or very poorly informed.


Exactly, JR Jim does not have a clue.....

That's a theory. You could go as far to call it a conspiracy theory.


That may be true, but as we speak...they are not. We have no obligation to them.


What's the name of the book?

I am Polish while you aren`t. You know theory, I know practice. And that is why I prefer RuSSian ilk to stay in Mongol Asia where they belong. Simple. :):):)

Looks like you don't follow the news that you try to comment on.


We do however have a moral obligation, and many good reasons for preventing the rise of r*SSia.


Об историческом единстве русских и украинцев.

Can you explain what makes you think that it was a root cause of all subsequent events?

The root cause was Ukrainians` desire to tie a closer knot with Europe after realising RuSSia is a rotting corrupt country driven by its obsessive imperialism.

Do you think they had no right to act like that?????????????

Expound on exactly what the moral obligation we have in helping Ukraine defeat Russia. Does our moral obligation stop at Ukraine or is extended to other places like Myanmar or Nigeria?

Personally, I think our moral obligation is find a way to peace. From recent reports, it seems Ukraine is not willing to make any compromises (because of its military successes which are due to Western streams of aid) and Russia is not ever going to cede Crimea (Russia , rightly, sees the loss of Crimea as an existential vulnerability). There are valid arguments to be made on why the west should and shouldn't continue providing unqualified assistance. I believe the best path is to force the issue by ramping down aid and keeping the headache of a country known as Ukraine out of NATO, while building up NATO's eastern flank as a deterrence. I don't think Russia is going to cease to exist like some of you guys, so we have to deal with it reasonably.

You'll notice in my post that I quoted Pawian saying "until everything is Russian", plus Pawian and you earlier equated Putin's Russia with Soviet communists: they want(ed) world domination. That is what I called a theory

The essay you named is about Russia controlling Ukraine, not Russia controlling the world.

Why?


Fortunately the elected leaders of the free world 9and almost the entire population of Poland) neither agree nor care what you think.


Have you read it?

The problem is that RuSSian imperialism is like cancer - if not treated early enough, it can invade really large areas.


Let me repeat: RuSSian imperialism is able to adopt different ideologies, but still remains what it is.

PS. And, let me repeat our newest proverb: you know theory, we know practice. Ha!

The moral obligation of a decent human being to help your neighbour whose sole existence is at stake?

Similarly, you could ask: What moral obligation do we have in helping a drowning person?. Or: saving a woman threatened with a rape? Or: rescuing kids trapped in a house on fire?? etc etc

If you have doubts on such basic issues, it means your sense of morality is deeply troubled.


Yes, we remember. :)::):):) And now bear in mind our latest saying: you know theory, we know practice. Ha!

To understand what you mean by moral obligation.


I have...twice. It's a work of rationalization built partially on a sort of romantic history and historical grievance. What really caught my eye was the deep disdain he has for the communist-era leaders .

However, the essay says nothing of global domination. However, it says a helluvalot about his vision of a kind of Russian-centered triad of states, you could call it Russia and her buffer lands.


Not the same thing, but to run with your logic then we should be militarily involved in places all over the globe. Places like Venezuela, Colombia, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Myanmar, and on and on. We should even go into China to save the Uighurs.

Are you willing to do that? Or is there a limit?

If there is no limit, then you may find that you have become the one needing rescue from drowning.


And, there is more than one way to do that, IMO.

Russia isn't going anywhere and it seems to me that enough of its influential leaders think (or are afraid to say otherwise) that Russia is threatened. You take Crimea away from it and that perception is very real.

It then will follow your logic and attempt to ensure it doesn't drown itself.

If invading neighbouring states, carrying out chemical weapons attacks and interfering in elections thousands of miles away isn't a crack at global dominance, God knows what outrages they'd need to try to satisfy you on that score.


r*SSia isn't entitled to what you quaintly call 'buffer lands'.

Ukraine however, as a sovereign state, is entitled to independence and an absence of interference from any neighbour, including the former superpower to their north.

And fortunately, the free world is ensuring that Ukraine will prevail.

And who is "great entitler" who decide who is entitled to what? And what if that "entitler" will see middle finger and hear offer to FO immediately?


Hard to imagine knot that is closer that sitting in EU on welfare, with a number of additional benefits, and rent unused flats in western ukraine at double-triple price to losers from East who was not fast enough to flee before borders was closed for conscriptable males. ;)

Hard to say why you attempt the term 'great entitler' however one thing is clear. It is not r*SSia.

They are no longer a superpower and by their actions have become a pariah state. Besides the horrific war crimes (for which justice WILL be served), their economy has tanked, their passports are worth less and less for travel, their population number is plummeting and their citizens' life expectancy is steadily falling.


Tell us about those losers from the east, i.e. r*SSia who fled their toilet of a country like rats from a sinking ship as soon as Putler announced his latest round of conscriptions. Or are they the losers, compared to the fools who stayed for certain death on a muddy battlefield.

I read today that Pighozhin has started trying to recruit mugs from prisons in the Central African Republic as cannon fodder for Ukraine. They've never seen snow! The famous Ukrainian soldier General Winter will hardly have to waste materiel on them since they'll all die of hypothermia with a week.

You misunderstood me Paulina

US deploys Patriot missile systems just 50 miles from Ukraine border

americanmilitarynews.com/2022/03/us-deploys-patriot-missile-systems-just-50-miles-from-ukraine-border/

Worth mentioning that r*SSia deploys missiles with nuclear warheads right next to the Polish border, in Kaliningrad Oblast.

If that **** Putler can move his nukes next to the border of a NATO state, he can hardly object when that NATO state seeks to maintain its own security.

@Velund
And now that NATO has confirmed Ukraine will be a member at some point what will little Vlad do? Medvedev already $hit himself over it, and I am sure all your other tough guys are now crying about how Vlad has created the perfect storm for Russia. When not even six months ago NATO was saying no, they are now saying yes in the future. Sweden and Finland getting in NATO and eventually Ukraine. Russia will be surrounded. Sound the alarms, all Vlads nightmares came true because of Vlads actions. Go figure huh?

@jon357
Black Wagner group members already being killed in Ukraine. Empty the African prisons and pretrial detention centers for more killers and rapists. Excellent idea! We can put them in with the pig fvcking mongols up front while we get these last few refrigerators out of town. Pitiful.