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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4



PolAmKrakow
12 Dec 2022  #1531

@Velund
Your delusional and should seek help. Russia has never been anything but a nuisance state. Russia develops nothing and only contributes to the world through fossil fuels, vodka, caviar and prostitutes. Russia produces nothing of value, brings no intellectual value to the global community, and is only relevant because it has nukes it likes to make threats with. Once neutered Russia will in fact be what the rest of the world see's it as, a ball less dog that barks a lot and annoys the neighbors. Eventually those dogs die and neighborhoods become quiet again.

Poland, you little Vlad worshiper, is positioned to lead Europe. Poland is arming itself to the teeth and preparing for anything Russia will bring. Poland will likely soon be receiving its own battery of portable nukes from the US just in case Vlad wants to get really stupid. Poland's people already have much better lives than Russians, and the gap between Russia and Poland expands every day. You live in a $hit hole country with a turd world dictator. Congratulations, you are the biggest loser.

Bratwurst Boy
12 Dec 2022  #1532

.....to denigrate and disregard a whole nation, millions of people, makes the world so much better! Not to mention making the anti-Putinists at home, the russian opposition, feeling really good right now about your encouraging support!

Barney
12 Dec 2022  #1533

@Bratwurst Boy
...None of that matters if you wish to portray yourself as the hardest man on the internet

jon357
12 Dec 2022  #1534

making the anti-Putinists at home, the russian opposition,

Even most of those who oppose (or pretend to oppose) Putler are still imperialists who use such terms as 'r*ssky mir' and 'near abroad'.

mafketis
12 Dec 2022  #1535

.to denigrate and disregard a whole nation, millions of people

Who's doing that besides russians themselves?

Look here, 40 families in Chelyabinsk, russia living without a wall in -20 weather and the local government can't be @rsed to do anything except offer housing in communal apartments (still a thing in russia....) and blame the residents for causing the problem....

twitter.com/brewerov/status/1601944883291631616

why on earth would sane people want to be a part of this?

Bratwurst Boy
12 Dec 2022  #1536

why on earth would sane people want to be a part of this?

You could ask the same of all citizens of autocratic governments....till '89 half of Europe's population would fall under that harsh judgement....even right now alot of the world must be insane....why deserve Russians that special wrath?

I'm sure also Russians will find their way, a lost Ukraine war might even accelerate the downfall of the current system....

mafketis
12 Dec 2022  #1537

....why deserve Russians your special wrath?

Cause their government wants to commit genocide in Ukraine and a large majority of the population accepts that, either actively or passively and even those who claim to be against it won't lift a finger except to whine that they're the real victims.... playing along with them or treating them like victims just encourages them.

.till '89 half of Europe's population would fall under that harsh judgement

Poland didn't... protests, smaller and larger were a regular feature of life in communist Poland did East Germans just passively accept their awful government?

PolAmKrakow
12 Dec 2022  #1538

@Bratwurst Boy
Russians deserve the wrath because they do nothing as a society to even try to provoke change. They are no better than North Koreans. Peasants who deserve the misery they have. Freedom and a life worth living must be fought for, ask Ukraine. You want to feel sorry for those that would not help others let alone themselves, your pity is wasted.

Just now the illegal head of Kherson appointed by the Orc's was in a car bombing incident. Poor little fella. Hurts when you are on the wrong side of history. Too bad he isn't dead, but at least ow he can rethink his stupidity. A crippled Orc is just as good as a dead one, a walking billboard for what you get when acting stupid.

cms neuf
12 Dec 2022  #1539

I see Putin has cancelled his normal year end meeting with the Russian press and the Kremlins Christmas reception - probably worried about packing his pants live in TV

Bratwurst Boy
12 Dec 2022  #1540

Poland didn't....

Poland did as East Germany did....the democratic transition started in 1989, with the end of the Sovietunion thanks to russian Perestroika....making it more than 40 years insanity!

They are no better than North Koreans.

North Korea is the worst country to live in on Earth, IMHO. I still don't believe the "inmates" there are all insane....

mafketis
12 Dec 2022  #1541

utin has cancelled his normal year end meeting with the Russian press

Supposedly cancelling this is a very big and meaningful thing in russia (though of course no one will speak in the media about it and his groupies will make excuses for him).

pawian
12 Dec 2022  #1542

I see Putin has cancelled his normal year end meeting with the Russian press and the Kremlins Christmas reception

AmaSSing is that RuSSist leader - he has been sending tens of thousands to their brutal death in Ukraine but himself isn`t able to face a few inconventient questions. Shame on him, shame on RuSSians for following such an azhole.

Make RuSSia Great Again is slowly turning into Make Many RuSSias. hahahaha

mafketis
12 Dec 2022  #1543

Unconfirmed.... women in occupied Donbas are being mobilized....

twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1602400460303998977

It has long been rumored that russia will be doing the same in russia after the new year....

interestinger and interestinger...

johnny reb
13 Dec 2022  #1544

Ukraine is set to start hitting inside Russian territory.
The United States will no longer forbid Ukraine from executing drone strikes in Russian territory.
The Ukrainian military has already used unmanned aircraft to attack Russian airbases, and Washington has now given Kyiv its approval to hit Russia inside its own borders more extensively.

The United States had previously ruled against Ukrainian strikes in Russia for fear of escalating the war.
It's about time.
Every time Russia hits a civilian complex then Ukraine should send one into a Russian civilian complex.
Any questions ?

pawian
13 Dec 2022  #1545

Ukraine should send one into a Russian civilian complex.

Nope, Ukrainians won`t commit such acts and they weren`t given the green light by the US administration. They can only hit military targets, like air bases recently.

It is RuSSist barbarians which fight against civilians in Ukraine.

PolAmKrakow
13 Dec 2022  #1546

@pawian
Yes, Ukraine was given the greenlight by way of the US stating they are no longer requiring Ukraine to not hit Russia inside their borders. If power and water are targets in Ukraine you can bet they will soon become targets inside of Russia. Spreading fear and doubt among Russian citizens is the only way to get them off their a$$es to do something about Putin. Little Vlad will not have his press conference this year because he has no good lies to tell. Citizens are figuring out he is just another POS leading Russia down the road to ruin.

@Bratwurst Boy
You don't have to believe all NK people are insane to know that their blind subservience to one family for decades without any life improvement is beyond retarded. In every country where there is oppression by the government, citizens outnumber all police and military. It only takes one large group to change things, the problem is these people in many countries like NK have no balls. They want more but are not willing to fight for it. They want the worlds bleeding hearts to fight for them. Ukraine is the example of what it takes to fight for your country, citizens fighting an aggressor. Citizens can and should do the same thing in NK and Russia toward their own governments and they would be surprised by how quickly their lives and the lives of their children change. Freedom is not free.

mafketis
13 Dec 2022  #1547

If power and water are targets in Ukraine you can bet they will soon become targets inside of Russia

The problem is that living standards are so awful for the majority of russians.... would they even notice?

Remember this is in Chelyabinsk a city untouched by the current war...

twitter.com/brewerov/status/1601944883291631616

Bratwurst Boy
13 Dec 2022  #1548

Ukraine is the example of what it takes to fight for your country, citizens fighting an aggressor.

...and that is the big difference, isn't it! All the most successful dictators are homegrown. Russians fighted with great bravery Hitler only to bow to Stalin....these situations aren't psychologically comparable. Quite the contrary, having a common foreign enemy, invented or true, strenghtens every rulers position at home, hence wars being often useful tools for them.

PolAmKrakow
13 Dec 2022  #1549

@Bratwurst Boy
There are plenty of examples of the people turning on their governments and overthrowing their ruler. Russia essentially did just that only 30 years ago. If the people had some balls, little Vald would be gone. But they have no balls, they have no desire, and are content to live off the scraps given to them. Same as NK.

Little Vlad could be overthrown rather quickly if society rallied to do it. Remember how quickly Russians acted in 1991? They took to the streets and forced change. This could easily happen again. Vlad has done less with more for Russia than any other President or leader of the former USSR. The people are responsible for their own fate and should take matters into their own hands. The military is not going to open fire on thousands of Russian civilians if they take to the streets. That is the quickest end to the war and to Vlad.

Bratwurst Boy
13 Dec 2022  #1550

They took to the streets and forced change.

....and thats why your post about Russia as country and Russians as a people baffled me so. They have shown spine and bravery en masse in their history already, but your post denied all that and painted them as genetically loser for forever and all times!

They will find their way...sooner or later.

PolAmKrakow
13 Dec 2022  #1551

@Bratwurst Boy
They will not find their way. I paint them with one brush because that is what they show they deserve. The spine is gone and all that is left is a ghost of what once was. They are responsible for allowing Vlad to be in control. They have had decades to fix their own problems and they do nothing. Pathetic is what they are. Every day of suffering they have no one to blame but themselves. History has zero impact on the future and is no indicator oof the current state of a people.

AntV
13 Dec 2022  #1552

They will find their way...sooner or later.

That's right, their way...not our way.

johnny reb
13 Dec 2022  #1553

@PolAm

The spine is gone and all that is left is a ghost of what once was.

According to the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, 380 Russian soldiers have died in Ukraine within a day.
According to Ukrainian sources, 94,140 Russian soldiers have been "eliminated" since the beginning of the war in February.
In addition to soldiers, Russia lost 2,900 tanks, more than 5,900 armored vehicles and 1,600 drones in the war against Ukraine.
Moscow itself does not publish information about its own losses but then again Ukraine's losses are just as sketchy.

cms neuf
13 Dec 2022  #1554

A lot of those who died were participating in their second favorite activity - drinking potato peel bimber after a hard morning of theft and defiling the gardens of the Ukrainians.

Not a convenient time to have a HIMARs hit the mess hall - luckily Russian commanders were not harmed as they are long way from the front line

GefreiterKania
13 Dec 2022  #1555

Meanwhile president Putin wins a prestigious international award...

The consequential nature of Putin's disinformation made our choice clear: Putin's lies about Ukraine are the 2022 Lie of the Year.

politifact.com/article/2022/dec/13/lie-of-the-year-2022-putins-lies-to-wage-war-and-o/

Congratulations! :)

mafketis
13 Dec 2022  #1556

Fun little bit on how russian propaganda works....

twitter.com/fermerzpolissia/status/1602439617432768514

The amazing thing is that they run all these stories simultaneously confident that those that fall for one lie will never investigate the others....

jon357
13 Dec 2022  #1557

they run all these stories simultaneously

There's a name for that in PR.

It used to be tricky to do however the internet has changed everything.

And of course r*SSia invests huge resources in this, helping to get trumpet elected, interfering with UK referendums, supporting the Le Pen woman and their stooges in Hungary, Germany and Greece etc...

One wonders what they've done or tried to do in Poland.

Now they've invaded Ukraine, they've upped the volume of propaganda however they haven't necessarily upped the quality, hence the cack-handed look of much of what they do.

pawian
13 Dec 2022  #1558

they are no longer requiring Ukraine to not hit Russia inside their borders

True. Ukrainians can hit within RuSSia`s borders. But only military or industrial targets.

Spreading fear and doubt among Russian citizens is the only way

Not true. Ukrainians mustn`t do it and it is US` and West`s primary requirement - no attacks on Russian civilians in RuSSia proper. That is as clear as daylight - the West can`t support a terrorist country. So far such a country is RuSSia only. Do you really want to have two of them???

You`d better check your sources. I did, hence my clarification above.

They have shown spine and bravery en masse in their history

For fear mostly. And because of that sick obedience to their rulers.

Why did 3 million Soviets surrender at the beginning of Nazi Soviet War of 1941??? Coz Stalin hadn`t introduced drastic measures yet. When he did, Soviet soldiers knew that if they retreated, they would be instantly put against the wall and even their families would be prosecuted. So they prefered to fight even in suicidal situations.

PolAmKrakow
13 Dec 2022  #1559

@pawian
Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. Sowing fear among Russian citizens does not mean or infer hitting civilian targets. It is clear that power and water are not only civilian but military requirements. It is also clear that housing complexes are not military. A nation can be very discriminatory in its targets and still scare the $hit out of civilians and motivate them to revolt against their oppressive government. Your extreme views do not match real life living conditions or real war conditions. The utopian world of following the rules of war has never existed, if it did, we would not be here today.

pawian
13 Dec 2022  #1560

It is clear that power and water are not only civilian but military requirements.

Which Ukrainians won`t attack coz those are primarily civilian targets. NATO banned such attacks and Ukrainians stick to it. If they could, they would have attacked such structures in the Crimea already. They haven`t so far.

And that finishes the whole discussion. :):)

Your extreme views

Not mine. Those are the views of NATO and Western countries` leaders. :):):)


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