Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

WEF: Polish President Urges More Military Support for Zelenskopolis

dailystormer.in/wef-polish-president-urges-more-military-support-for-zelenskopolis/

You should be rather careful with quoting Daily Stormer, or your Russian friends might want to denazify you.

Poland threatens to send tanks without Germany's permission
"Permission is a secondary matter. We will either get it quickly or do what we see fit," Mr Morawiecki said.

LOL leaders of europe, krauts have reached the depths of cowardness, that countries are willing to break military contracts.

Build them yourself then you don't have to beg....

It is rather low to use the "kraut" slur in reference to an allied nation, especially that it is not Germans in general (many of whom fully support Ukraine) but Scholz and his government - and not even all of his ministers, some of whom are all for the Leopard transfer - postponing the decision ad infinitum. If PiS government does something silly, would you like to hear that "cowardly polacks have reach the depths"? Take it easy, Ami.


The point is that Ukrainians can't wait and wait, BB. Russians are closing in on Soledar and Bakhmut, Ukrainian 46th Airmobile Brigade took heavy losses there and Putin is amassing 200,000 reservist forces north-east of Ukraine for the next offensive - every wasted day is a gift for Putin. That's why don't be surprised if Poland and other countries will just give the tanks without waiting for Scholz's permission forever. :-/

I know....Scholz gets at home lotsa flak for his behaviour right now.....still....when someone calls us "Krauts" as if WE would be the enemy....

Thing is Scholz is a stubborn, arrogant know-it-all, but even he won't resist this shitstorm forever when he likes his job!

Idiotic. And plays right into Putin's hands. The last thing we want are internal conflicts among us.


*fingers crossed!*

As Germany comes under increasing pressure to send its Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, most at home do not favour exporting the coveted vehicles and think the country has done enough, a survey published on Thursday showed.

Of the 2,025 respondents, 43% opposed the delivery and only 39% were in favour. Another 16% did not express a position, the survey, conducted for dpa by the polling institute YouGov, showed.

Now tell us again about the wonderful german people?


There already is a conflict because there is an enemy within. Thankfully Poland and USA will beat some sense into the krauts shortly, and the only thing Germany understands is a blunt instrument.


We will come up with a final solution for the German problem once the war in ukraine is over.

Right now in Berlin:

Tank debate in Parliament

Coalition and opposition politicians warn Scholz of the division of Europe

spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/marie-agnes-strack-zimmermann-der-bundeskanzler-muss-aufpassen-europa-nicht-zu-spalten-a-d55b494a-9390-470f-9ef5-08df0625dbab

The Bundestag is intensively debating the supply of tanks to Ukraine. The Union accuses Olaf Scholz of acting irresponsibly. Criticism also comes from the coalition. The SPD, on the other hand, speaks of "noise" - "substantial decisions" are imminent.

"substantial decisions" are imminent!

*fingers crossed*


So....you can call 43% of 2025 people righteously "Krauts", yes? And all the rest?

First, the 2000-something sample is not nearly large enough to draw far-reaching conclusions about the entire population, and even with that 43-39 is almost 50/50 split. Considering the Scholz's government conduct, the numbers don't look that bad, and as you can see Scholz is criticised in Bundestag even by the coalition.


Well, for once, it is thanks to Germans that we even have the Leopard tanks in the first place!

As for your constant use of the "kraut" slur, I resent that. Despite all the recent differences, Germany are still our allies.


... and to make a reference to Holocaust like that is just stupid. Really, Ami, wtf???

russian nationalists are all nazis anyway... their great pr trick was to convince gullible suckers in the west that it was Ukraine that was into nazi stuff (often using pictures of russians in russia....)

@Crnogorac3
LMFAO Yeah, but the Leopard 2 tanks coming from every other country that Germany will approve of probably by tomorrow will be blowing the $hit out of your Orcs in just a few weeks. Catch that shell in your teeth boys! LMAO Hamburger patties about to be readily available all over Donetsk for our canine friends.

Exactly. And you cannot expect capitulation of Russia to NATO (don't try to tell that conflict is between Russia and Ukraine, Ukraine, and probably Poland a bit later, is just a proxy and cannon fodder in this conflict).

Today's quote of Dmitry Medvedev to make things clear.

Tomorrow at the Ramstein NATO base, the great military leaders will discuss new tactics and strategy, as well as deliveries of new heavy weapons and strike systems to Ukraine. And this right after the forum in Davos, where underdeveloped political partygoers repeated like a mantra: "To achieve peace, Russia must lose".

And it never occurs to any of the wretches to draw the following elementary conclusion from this: the loss of a nuclear power in a conventional war can provoke the outbreak of a nuclear war. The nuclear powers have never lost a major conflict on which their fate depends.

And this should be obvious to anyone. Even a Western politician with any remaining trace of intelligence.

Yes, I read that - Polish press reported Medvedev's words too. One thing is unclear though - how can the invasion of Ukraine (whether it is won or lost) be considered a conflict "on which Russia's fate depends"? It is simply an aggresive imperial invasion, with view of restoring Russian sphere of influence (Putin said it himself), not a defensive war for survival.

Move the conflict start pointer to 2014 instead of 2022, and things will be much clearer.

@Velund
Medvedev just another Putin coxucker who is a tough talker until he gets biatch slapped. Nuclear this nuclear that. Half the Russian garbage doesn't even work. All the threats are old and if Putin want's to end not only Russia but the whole world there is nothing we can do about it but make sure Moscow is a glass city as well. All you Russian pu$$ies talk tough but are the biggest coward on the planet when faced with real opposition.

OK, 2014 - annexation of Crimea. Another imperial move by Russia. Doesn't make things any clearer at all. *scratches head*

Now move your imaginary pointer a bit earlier in same 2014, to very beginning of year (and even maybe to end of November of 2013 to be completely sure).

Ukrainians showed pro-russian grifter the door and ran him out the country..... russians have coniption fits....

Riddles, riddles. Are you sure you don't want to change your nickname to Sphinx? OK... let's see... *goes searching*


What? Maidan? That's the solution of the riddle? :-/ I expected something more revealing. Oh, well...

Still, nothing about "existential threat to Russia's fate" etc.

Boris Johnson expressed it well at Davos today:

"Putin wants to present it as a nuclear stand-off between between Nato and Russia."

"Nonsense. He's not going to use nuclear weapons, okay. He's like the fat boy in Dickens, he wants to make our flesh creep. He wants us to think about it. He's never going to do it."

Meanwhile, here's the latest official update as to the war:

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Galeev has written that a Ukraine with regular legtimiate elections and a functioning opposition and a free press _is_ an existential threat to the thieving soviet bandits in charge of russia.... it wouldn't even need to become that prosperous... but it could give russians an idea that they deserve legitimate elections a funcitoning opposition and a free press.... essentially ever political goal of any russian government is about theft or self-aggrandizing violence. there's no secret bottom of romance and intrigue, it's all petty backstabbing and lying and self-pity.

It certainly is, if you put it this way. There's no way, however, that this is what Medvedev meant when he threatened nuclear war because "Russia's fate depends on this conflict". It just doesn't make any sense at all. Poland left the Warsaw Pact and the Eastern Bloc in general, and became quite succesful. The Baltics left the Soviet Union and became rather succesful as well (especially Estonia). Why should Ukraine leaving the Russian sphere of influence and becoming a regular democratic country be so dangerous to Russia? What makes Ukraine different in this regard from Poland, the Baltics or Czechia for example?

Meanwhile, the civilized world keeps supporting Ukraine:

- Denmark will send 19 French-made Caesar howitzers:

reuters.com/world/europe/denmark-send-artillery-ukraine-delaying-own-build-up-2023-01-19/

- Sweden will donate Archer artillery systems, 50 CV90 armoured vehicles and NLAW portable anti-tank missiles:

thelocal.se/20230119/explained-these-are-the-weapons-sweden-is-sending-to-ukraine/

And, hopefully, the roaring Leopards will start rolling into Ukraine soon too. Imperialist invaders have to be stopped and every honest, decent country must do their part, so that democracy and freedom are victorious.

And 600 more Brimstone missiles.

"Led by Britain, which has pledged to give Challenger 2 tanks, the West is ramping up its weapon donations to Ukraine ahead of what is expected to be a vicious fighting season this spring."

Those things are nasty...
telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/01/19/ukraine-russia-war-latest-news-tanks-drone-missile-putin-kyiv/

Brimstone? With names like that we are only reinforcing the image of the West as hellish forces attacking Holy Russia. We should give our rockets nicer names like: Peace, Democracy, Tolerance, Happiness, Feminist etc.

Can you imagine the annoyance of Putin if his brand new T14 tanks were destroyed by "Tolerance" guided missiles? Or a Baltic Fleet flagship being destroyed by one sure hit of a "Feminist"?

Damn right!


Or a furry wurry bunny wunny tunsten rod bomb....

Or one aimed at the Kremlin called the Ipatiev Bomb of Special Purposes...

@GefreiterKania
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They are terrified that a similar scenario as 1917 will happen, and since they know perfectly well what was done the ruling faction at the time by all the ancestors of the current ruling elite. They expect to be treated in the excactly same manner back.

They ARE literally fighting for their own existence and trying to make as many Russians as possible Co-responsible and part of their faction and eliminating as many as possible internal threats, why do you think they spread their corruption? Why all the unnecessary enrolment?

Question is if it will be Russian Federation, Slavia State, Moscow and other Russian mini states or Grand Ukraine.

That is up to Russias elite to decide if they are smart enough. Currently I am only expecting panical counter reactions and smallness from them.

If I were in their place, I would given me all Kaliningrad as private property, declared me Imperator of Slavia and negotiated a internal peace and agreement for all Slavic states with aim to protect and take care of every Slav and their nationality (including Ukrainians and Russians right to learn their own language without outside interference).

But it is what is *shrugs*

russians, not Ukrainians but russians tend to think of Ukraine as a region of russia and even russians sympathetic to Ukrainians think of them as a sub-category of russians who therefore have no right to any kind of political independence.

Even Vlad Vexler (very anti-putain and pro-Ukraine) at the beginning was making analogies like "russia bombing Kyiv is like London bombing Manchester"... a very bad analogy....

So from the russian point-of-view Ukrainians creating a functioning liberal democracy also means that maybe russians could (Poles and the Baltics are too different and alien to be the same kind of threat).