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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4



Novichok
22 Jan 2023  #2611

German intelligence 'alarmed' over Ukrainian losses - media
The battle over the strategic city of Artyomovsk has inflicted heavy losses on Ukraine, Der Spiegel has said, citing German intelligence


Dear Der Spiegel, you are lying. Only Russia has "heavy losses" and Ukraine is winning so get better sources.

traveler1
22 Jan 2023  #2612

Russia won't invade Poland unless WW3 starts. And no one wants that, not Russia, and not the EU. Well, the fake American government wants it, but not the real American people

GefreiterKania
22 Jan 2023  #2613

it must be a murderous "kompromat"

Exactly. Taking into account that it was Germany who fed the putinist beast with their own breast for so many years, Germany should be leading the world in everything concerning the aid for Ukraine - heavy weapons, medium weapons, light weapons, you name it - everything, without as much as blinking an eye.

It is either iron consistence in pro-Russian politics and hope of getting back to business as usual with Russia after the war (50% chance) or a high definition video with an underage girl/boy (50% chance). All the other bullsh*t (e.g. "oh, we don't want to see German panzers in Russia again" or "oh, it's our postwar guilt and pacifism blah blah blah") can be safely put away on a fairy-tale shelf.

If it's the former (politics), Germany needs to be treated like Russian accomplice (e.g. Belarus) on international diplomatic scene. If it's the latter (the HD video), Scholz has to be removed from power. Simple as that.

PolAmKrakow
22 Jan 2023  #2614

@Novichok
LMFAO "German Intelligence" is like saying "Argentinian Swiss Cheese". The words to not work together at this point. Russia minus 188,000 Ukraine minus 100,000 = Ukraine +88,000 Simple math. Crazy I know.

Scholz has to be removed from power. Simple as that.

Completely agree!

Bratwurst Boy
22 Jan 2023  #2615

If it's the former (politics), Germany needs to be treated like Russian accomplice

It's not GERMANY! Even in the close circle around him people don't understand or agree with the Chancellor....not to mention the other coalition parties or even the opposition. What we need are new elections! He was voted in for a totally different time and circumstances ffs!!!

GefreiterKania
22 Jan 2023  #2616

It's not GERMANY!

I know, but the man who is leading Germany is making it the problem for the whole of Germany. Just like the man who is leading Russia is making it a horrible mess for the whole of Russia.

What we need are new elections! He was voted in for a totally different time and circumstances ffs!!!

Hear, hear!

mafketis
22 Jan 2023  #2617

Ukraine is winning

I'm so glad you recognize that!

Anyhoo.... you expressed disgust for foreign volunteers who fight for the Ukrainian cause (freedom, democracy, individual rights, human dignity).

What do you think about Serbs volunteering to fight for the russian cause (dictatorship, kleptocracy, violence, self-pity)?

Novichok
22 Jan 2023  #2618

youtu.be/FU8N-CxkIRM

There is nothing to negotiate. Ukraine is winning so it's only a matter of time.

Korvinus
22 Jan 2023  #2619

Russia won't invade Poland unless WW3 starts. And no one wants that, not Russia, and not the EU.

The problem being, a year ago you could say the same thing about Russia invading Ukraine.
Russia must get a humiliating defeat in order to stomp its imperial ambitions.

pawian
22 Jan 2023  #2620

Transports are going through Poland to Ukraine with no end. Amazing!

Despite all the diagreements in the past, one can say Ukrainians are lucky to have Poland for a neighbour.

Crnogorac3
22 Jan 2023  #2621

These two guys didn't want to die for the piano cock player and the pedophile from the White House, so they surrendered. We wish them all the best!

t.me/tass_agency/177614

Miloslaw
22 Jan 2023  #2622

@Crnogorac3

Are you still here?
You will be gone soon when your Russian "friends" have been humiliatingly defeated......

WariatWorld
22 Jan 2023  #2623

For anyone who thinks the Leopard 2 is some sort of wunderwaffe, ISIS destroyed at least 10 Turkish Leopard 2s using the anti-tank missiles the Yanks gave them.

ttps://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1613659243063779334/vid/888x474/78Yo31p6A0WtHZ49.mp4?tag=16

Hallothere
22 Jan 2023  #2624

Germany is #3 behind the US and UK when it comes to delivering arms to Ukraine. They have given refuge to millions of Ukranians. What more do you people want?

Novichok
22 Jan 2023  #2625

Poland threatens 'coalition' to overcome German stance on tanks - PM

Poland wants to set up "coalitions." Polish brilliance absolutely boggles.

NATO should distance itself from Poland which appears to be as suicidal as before the II World War.

Poland is collapsing economically and they do everything now America tells them for some dollars.

It's not the first time the "proud" Polish leadership puts too much trust in its "allies". It never ended well.


What more do you people want?

Ukrainians are an asset, according to PF posters. Germany should take them all.

Paulina
22 Jan 2023  #2626

Germany changed it's mind about Leopards?:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/niemcy-daja-zielone-swiatlo-ws-leopardow-nie-bedziemy-sie-temu-sprzeciwiac-6858417217850272a

According to Baerbock (who gave an interview to a French TV channel) Germany wouldn't be against it if Poland sent it's Leopards to Ukraine:

france24.com/en/live-news/20230122-germany-ready-to-let-poland-send-leopard-tanks-to-ukraine-foreign-minister

"Germany is ready to authorise Poland to send German-made Leopard tanks to Ukraine to help Kyiv fight the Russian invasion if Warsaw makes such a request, Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said Sunday."

Novichok
23 Jan 2023  #2627

Germany changed its mind about Leopards?:

German tanks within the borders of the country where Germans killed 30 million people killing Russians again... Brilliant.

Novichok
23 Jan 2023  #2628

ODESSA AND KHARKOV REGION IS 75% RUSSIAN PEOPLE

Those damn Russians dare to protect their own without first asking for permission and applying for visas. Totally unacceptable.

Bratwurst Boy
23 Jan 2023  #2629

"Germany is ready to authorise Poland to send German-made Leopard tanks to Ukraine

Maybe Poland should just ask officially now?

PolAmKrakow
23 Jan 2023  #2630

@Novichok
Funny, last time I was in Odessa, 90% spoke Ukrainian. Crazy how that changes in a year. Must be something in the water, or maybe its the guns to the head. Who knows? I love how people say things having no proof and having never been to a place. I am being told by gremlins that RT is actually owned by Soros and he keeps it running so that the western media has something to combat. That MF is sure smart isn't he?

@Bratwurst Boy
I think we will see Poland and about 14 others ask this week. Funny how it is not the new MOD making these statements in Germany though isn't it? Maybe the MOD is compromised based on what his track record looks like?

Bratwurst Boy
23 Jan 2023  #2631

Maybe the MOD is compromised based on what his track record looks like?

Na ja, he is the one who openly and honestly said there was no official deal with the US about "Abrams first", something Scholz would not have liked. And he was ready to order an inventory about how many Leopards Germany actually would have ready to go should the decision fall suddenly....something his predecessors didn't care about.

And he has announced to travel to Ukraine and meet people in Kiev very soon....

The Bundeswehr at least is glad about this change....give him a chance! :)

Velund
23 Jan 2023  #2632

Funny, last time I was in Odessa, 90% spoke Ukrainian.

Hey, sh*thead... First learn Polish (to respect country where you live and start to understand people around you), and only then try to learn to distinguish between southern Russian with soft pronounce and Galitian Raguls tongue, that is enforced now instead of initial "standard" Sumy region Malorossian/Ukrainian...

Alien
23 Jan 2023  #2633

Galitian Raguls tongue

Are you saying that Ukrainian language doesn't exist?

PolAmKrakow
23 Jan 2023  #2634

@Velund
Hey b1tch when was the last time you were in Odessa? Never is my guess. Why not come to Krakow and test my Polish? Oh yeah, sorry that's right, you're locked inside your sh1thole country. Why not get some balls tough guy and volunteer for Ukraine? Your dumba$$ country has only lost about 2000 tanks over the last 11 months. Maybe lost is the wrong word? Yes. I think having 2000 tanks turned into rolling crematoriums has kept you in mommies basement cowering like a little puppy that just peed on the floor again. Coward is what you are.

When 15 countries each donate 30 or so Leopards, this week, and training of Ukrainian soldiers commences, the Orcs are going to have to really think about accelerating the next round of conscription. All those tanks rolling over Orc defensive positions, literally crushing them where they stand will be a great sight. Happy gulag biatches!

GefreiterKania
23 Jan 2023  #2635

Galitian Raguls

I just had to check...

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... wow!; to think that you would ever elevate Ukrainians to godly status (although they certainly sent some goddesses to Gdańsk :)), but fair play to you, Veli - only cow doesn't change her opinions.

Anyways, I have been learning the basics of Ukrainian in recent weeks (with the help of lovely Yelyzaveta :)), and I have to say that I changed my mind regarding this language. It is better sounding than I thought before and, on the lexical level, it is much closer to Polish than Russian. Lovely tongue.

mafketis
23 Jan 2023  #2636

ODESSA AND KHARKOV REGION IS 75% RUSSIAN PEOPLE

That is a russian lie;.... you always fall for and repeat stupid russian lies..... what is wrong with you?

A few years ago, putain said (essentially) that anyone who speaks russian _is_ russian and shoud be under moscow's political control. If a russian speaking person doesn't consider themself to be russian then they are confused and need to be set straight which includes killing them if they're stubborn enough (common refrain among putainites).

A lot of people didn't pay that much attention but that's a big part of the russian war against Ukraine along with the Surkov manifesto of russia as a conquering power (if you don't know who Surkov is.... your opinion is... useless)

Are you saying that Ukrainian language doesn't exist?

It's a standard moscow talking point..... a paid shill is going to bring it up whenever they can....

Velund
23 Jan 2023  #2637

elevate Ukrainians to godly status

You often dig in the wrong places in your research. The word "ragul" or "rogul" appeared in the early 1930s in Lwów and comes from the Polish word "rogatka" (in the sense of a roadblock at the entrance to the city). It referred to "coming from behind the rogatka". The word is very quickly become a slang term used by urban residents of modern Ukraine and even southern Russia to refer to an uneducated and aggressive villager who had not assimilated urban customs and culture. The mentality of such a stupid, uneducated person is called ragulism. The jargonism "ragulstvo" denotes stupidity, absurdity.

Just couple of examples... If you're unhappy that I let a goat loose in a public park, I'll smack you in the face if you try to touch it. If we get drunk and yell songs in the yard of a high-rise building in the middle of the night, who are you to tell me how to live my life?

Are you saying that Ukrainian language doesn't exist?

Initially it was construct, based on a Sumy regional variant of malorossian dialect. Now it is enforced to change to heavily polonized galitian raguls dialect (see above). It was observed how ukrainian language dictionaries printed in 1950's - 1960's removed from public libraries and destroyed. Orwell must be in panic in their grave - he never intended to write a script for future...

Velund
23 Jan 2023  #2638

That is a russian lie;

Here is a lot of fragments of Odessa newspapers from 1925-26, peak period of "ukrainisation" of totally russian region. Maybe GK will translate something for you...

visualhistory.livejournal.com/1558540.html?

Example of the same from Kharkov...

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Bratwurst Boy
23 Jan 2023  #2639

Live update:

Poland announces that it will ask Germany for approval of Leopard delivery

spiegel.de/ausland/ukraine-news-am-montag-london-sieht-bei-russischen-militaers-skepsis-gegen-neuen-oberbefehlshaber-a-ac8bed41-a02f-440d-ba14-5cb45786ba73

9:59 a.m.: Poland will ask the federal government for permission to supply Leopard tanks to Ukraine. That explains the Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki. Poland's efforts to form a coalition to supply Leopard tanks are having an effect, he said. Even if Germany is not part of this coalition, Poland can supply the tanks as part of a smaller coalition.

As the country where the tanks are manufactured, Germany must give its approval for export to third countries. According to Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock, Germany would not block deliveries from other countries . So far, however, there has not been an official request, she explained on Sunday. ....


mafketis
23 Jan 2023  #2640

from 1925-26

That is all completely irrelevant now.


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