Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

The same level of relevancy as borders of Ukraine in 1991?

No those are internationally recognized by all but the inferior bandit state of russia.

Borders of Yugoslavia was internationally recognized as well... And then changed... So...

@Velund
Dont look now but famous Putinazi coxucker Ramzan Kadyrov forces were just caught eating HMARS rockets for breakfast this morning. The Orcs headquarters in Luhansk was hit with six beautiful American made HMARS rockets. There is no body count yet, and unlike the Orcs tactics, no civilians were involved. Sure was nice of Ukraine to deliver the heat on a cold morning. Gather round the fire boys, our comrades wont burn too long. Happy gulag biatches!

russians are so primitive that they are unable to grasp anything but the most vague similarities....

Jugoslavia was torn apart by internal divisions and the 'break up' was along internationally recognized lines (no borders have changed from the Jugoslav republics except for Kosovo - again a case of internal division).

Ukraine is being attacked by an aggressive outside alien force that promised to protect those borders and then broke that promise the way the russian government breaks every non-violent promise it ever makes.

russia.... terror empire devoid of honor and decency.


Again, Ukraine attacks invading soldiers. russia targets civilians like the primitive savages they are.... the status of pariah is too good for them.

Now it gets hot.....


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...Thorsten Frei (49, CDU), parliamentary director of the Union parliamentary group, said to BILD: "If the three parties cannot agree on such central issues, they should finally act consistently and look for a new start under different circumstances." His promise : "In any case, we are ready to take responsibility."

Means: The Union is ready to enter into negotiations with the FDP and the Greens in order to form a coalition without the SPD - and to replace Chancellor Scholz.

Wow!

Ukraine was torn apart by internal divisions after US/NATO sponsored coup, overthrowing constitutional government.

Actually there was no coup but russians are incapable of understanding the idea of people standing up for individual rights and human dignity (concepts utterly alien to russia).

What really happened is that russia invaded because the russian government understood how dangerous the concepts of individual rights and human dignity would be to them if the russian people ever understood them.

fortunately for the russian government the russian people are content to not have any rights or dignity.

@mafketis
Not individual no, but group revolts yes. As long as most Russians think that biggest group is Pro-Putin and No other groups can challenge it. All your points will be ignored, No matter how sound they would be

there are some decent individual russians and life is hell for them.....

Denis Zakharov describes what being a sane person in an insane asylum is like....

twitter.com/betelgeuse1922/status/1617442592630755328

Yes! :) Bye, bye, Mr Scholz - you won't be missed!


The only foreign sponsored activity in Ukraine was that of Donbas militia bandits sponsored by Russia. And please, don't sell us fairy-tales about poor opressed Donbas population that rebelled - there was peace in Donbass (overwhelmingly Ukrainian region - as Maf pointed out, Russian-speaking majority doesn't mean Russian majority) before Russia financed the phony "rebellion".

Here's a short fragment of a book by a Ukrainian émigré historian, Serhy Yekelchyk...



...it's from the page 116 of "Conflict in Ukraine. What everyone needs to know.", Oxford University Press 2015.

So Donbas is a Ukrainian majority region, despite what putinist propaganda tells us.

How about ~$5bn spent by US to change regime in Ukraine?

zeit.de/politik/ausland/2015-05/ukraine-usa-maidan-finance


So, it is enough to find one questionable reference to come to a long reaching conclusions? What if I'll find something "wrong" about independency of Poland?

Not to "change regime" but to support transition to proper democracy. Americans financed also Solidarity movement in Poland, and thank God (and Uncle Sam) for that!

I written down this brilliant cause, and will use it where possible. ;) Because Russia have their own view about "proper democracy". ;)

You don't like the book I mentioned? Grab another: "Roots of Russia's War in Ukraine", Columbia University Press 2016; or "The War in Ukraine's Donbas. Origins, Contexts and the Future", Central European University Press 2022 - they all say more or less the same about Donbas. Stop reading only your putinist sources, look at the issue from various points of view, do more research.


Knock yourself out, Veli. I always tell it like it is :)

That's from the introduction to the CEU Press book (page 3)...



... see? Ample evidence that it was Russia who sent mercenaries to Donbas to overthrow local governments. So, who is financing the change of regime? Who's starting a military conflict where there was peace? Who's talking bullsh*t in vain hope that civilised world will believe it? The answer to all the three questions is: Russia.

which is to shoot anyone who believes in it....


Vlad Vexler breaks down the russian public into three groups

hardliners: 15-25 % who are all in on killing Ukrainians (and want putain to kill more of them faster)

liberals: 15-25% aghast at the turn their country has taken but given no public voice and mostly ignored (and many of them are still russian imperialists at heart).

the blomb 50-70 % passive and "uninterested" in politics, this is what the russian government wants, a bunch of people who don't pay attention to what happens and who believe (or will pretend to believe) whatever the government says at the time....

hopeless country.... nothing remotely positive about it....

@Velund
Sounds to me like Russia is jealous of the USA's better investment plan. Too bad all those billions were stolen by Putin and his gang of thieves. Imagine how much political influence all those billions could have had and how a war could have been completely avoided. Strange how that happens isn't it? Like the child with no candy who spent all his money on toys that are now broken and all his friends are enjoying a candy bar with only a few well taken care of toys. It is simple, Russia is a collectively stupid mentality.

Kania, you disappoint me... You looked like sane person almost all the time...

My father side roots is from there - grandmother is from Odessa and grandfather is from Krivoy Rog. I had enough time to talk with grandfather and heard a story about "crash courses" of freshly introduced ukrainian language and "ukrainisation" of their family name (to follow directive of pretty nationalistic Communist Party of Ukraine and not be fired from their job), as well as about returning old variant of family back once he finally moved to Moscow. And stories about good engineers and techs that told that "I'm too old to rape my tongue with this calf talk" and moved from Donbass to Urals, where lots of positions for specialists at newly created factories was available.

All who had "malorossian" as nationality in passport automatically was written as "ukrainian" at that time.

Bulgarian President Rumen #Radev said in an interview to Radio Darik (president.bg/bg/news7011/prezidentat-s-prizivite-da-se-postigne-mir-chrez-voyna-stremglavo-letim-kam-antiutopiyata-na-oruel.html) that he refuses to participate in the supply of weapons to the AFU and called the position of his EU colleagues on this issue Orwellian: "With calls to achieve 'peace through war' we are rapidly flying towards Orwell's anti-utopia and his writing 'war is peace''", the official website of the Bulgarian president quotes Radev as saying.

In addition, Radev posed a very interesting question. "There are not enough weapons today, but if at some point there is a shortage of people, what will we do?" the Bulgarian president asked and pointed out that the war is becoming increasingly fierce and bloody. 😒

In fact, Radev, for the first time among the officials of the Collective West, voiced a perfectly logical question. If the war is fought to the last Ukrainian and is getting bigger and bloodier, what will we, the countries of the West, do when the Ukrainians are unable to replenish the losses of the AFU personnel with new waves of mobilization, and the war will require more and more divisions? And this is where Radev is absolutely right in his fears, because when the Ukrainians run out, the older and richer Western comrades may well throw their poorer neighbors from the former socialist camp into the furnace of war. Well not the Dutch going to war with the British and French when there are all sorts of poor relatives from Eastern Europe. 😏

Sanity is overrated, and maybe I got a bit more radicalised towards the pro-Ukrainian point of view, but that's because I meet more and more Ukrainian refugees and what they tell me about this war is heart-breaking. WTF was Putin thinking when he started this - Ukrainians are Slavs, our brothers and basically the same people like us, Poles or Russians. How is it even thinkable to wage such barbarous war on them? Didn't we learn anything from the past?


Obviously, I am not a specialist in the linguistic matters of ukrainisation, name changes or Communist Party of Ukraine policies in this regard but none of that justifies this bloody war, Veli. :( Neither does the popular revolution of Maidan or the fact that Ukrainians want to joint the EU and NATO, and shape their country more on a western model instead of Russian. Why don't just leave them alone and let them do what they want - Russia has over 17 million square km of territory (the most in the world) and enough work to be done there for another 1000 years, why not concentrate on that?


If we have to fight, we will fight. Poles are not cowards.

Be sure, we will remove any chances of appearance of NATO bases with dangerously short missile flight times to densely inhabited areas, and will spend our time and resources to develop our own land. There was offer to "balance" security in Europe to state acceptable both to EU and Russia, but no reply. So, we have to change the world to condition more suitable to us and our friends. Some small countries with enormously high share of russophobia product in GDP may not survive this changes, but that's life as it is.

D*ck waving. Why did I even expect anything else? *rolls eyes*


Yeah, you will start a war to move the potential bases 200 (or even 500) kilometres further away. How many minutes of flight time will it buy you? And then faster rockets will be developed - and what, you will move borders another 500 kilometres? Good luck with that. To stop rockets from flying in your direction all you have to do is to be a predictable, civilised country and nobody would even think of attacking you.


*yaaaaaaawn* Are there any pigeons near where you live? So, if you have this deep need of being scary, you might want to go there and try to frighten them: maybe they will be afraid of you but not Poland. :)

@Velund
In the biggest dick contest you still lose to the US, EU and a combined NATO. And that is why you are so scared. Putin is a coward just like you are. Romania? No one GAF what they say. Get on board or get out of the way. You fear NATO yet you not only provoke its growth you accelerate it. Thanks Finland and Sweden. What happens when those few former Soviet Republics who are part of the current security agreements with Russia walk away from Russia? Kazakhstan likely being the first domino to fall. Little by little Russia will disappear. The "sphere of influence" will become the semicircle of isolationism.

All Russia has to do is build another wall. This time all the way around its own borders and stay inside your wall. Don't look to trade with the west. Don't look for western good or access to western vacations and schools. Stay in your own backward $hithole and keep inbreeding. Keep all those beautiful Lada's and those recycled I-phones you can buy in Dubai. Save your meat coupons and someday you can trade for an older color TV from Iran. LMFAO Loser nation.

All the indications are that he thought it would be Crimea 2, quick and over in a few days, with some EU tut-tutting and some toothless sanctions (with Germany running interference for him) and it would boost his popularity and he'd secure a place in history textbooks as someone who made russia great again...


You've never done it yet.... why on earth should anyone think you'll start now? russians are happy to live in garbage if they think other countries fear them (and russian leaders have never done anything but treat russians like sheep to be fleeced and then turned into mutton stew once the wool runs out).

talk talk talk threat threat threat what an effin' boring task it is listening to russians huff and puff and try to pretent they're anything but second rate failures.....

Ukrainian forces are storing Western-supplied missiles and artillery shells in nuclear power plants, Russian Foreign Intelligence Service Director Sergey Naryshkin said on Monday. He claimed that Kiev has been using the plants as cover for ammunition stockpiles.

What a great idea! Just like Palestinians storing guns and ammo in schools. Brilliant.

How pathetic are russians and how little do they value human life?

This guy has no idea what the war is about but is ready to go to the front and get killed because? your guess is as good as mine....

twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1617518401999769605

such a sad, sad place....

Just another Russian retard following what he is told to do. In the background someone was saying "Hey Vlad one more for the meat grinder on its way." Stupid people in a stupid country.

@Novichok
Sounds like what Russia has been doing at Zaporizhzhia for the last six months or so. Indeed brilliant to use the Orcs tactics when they work. Meanwhile, more chili was made on the battlefield from the invading Orcs.

You will create a world more suitable for Russia and it's friends ?

Your friends - Iran, Belarus, North Korea and Eritrea. Anybody else ?

And what will this world look like ? Rivers of vodka ? Amateur **** piped into every wooden hut ? Trams with seats made from the finest Vietnamese plastic ? The radioactive lakes teeming with sprats ?

We already saw what it was like when you sent slaves to try and change our world. Bad food (that we had to queue for), bad cars and bad TV