Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5

Either ethnic cleansing is acceptable or it is not. At the top of the High Moral Hill, there is room for one, not both. Take your pick.


No, it does not. A war crime is a war crime regardless of when, where, and by whom. I don't recall chronology being discussed at Nuremberg.

Velund, behave like an adult. I didn't write that those deaths (or any other deaths in this conflict) are "nothing important" for me.
But there's a difference between people getting killed as a result of an armed conflict and a deliberate ethic cleansing. And that's what we were discussing - ethnic cleansing as a reason for military intervention.

And, most importantly, those deaths in Donbass are the result of an armed conflict that was started by RuSSia in February 2014. There would be no deaths, no war, if RuSSia didn't invade Ukraine and there wouldn't be so much tensions and hostility if RuSSia wasn't pouring the fuel on the fire - a fragment from Wikipedia:

"One of the initial Russian disinformation stories was the false allegation of a Corsun Pogrom, which claimed that pro-Maidan Ukrainians stopped several buses with Anti-Maidan protesters on 20 February. Russian media sources described beating and humiliation among the protesters, while a fake news documentary claimed multiple tortured and killed people. No such event actually occurred and when human rights organizations tried to contact the producers of the documentary they found that no such organization existed. Human rights group attributed the fake story to "pro-Kremlin trolls"."


It isn't acceptable for me. How about for you?

He is Russian and most of them posting on here seem to be incapable of behaving as adults.
Maybe because so many of them have died in Ukraine.......

Source:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

It does if we're discussing whether there were reasons for a military intervention or not. It was Velund who brought up the bombing of Yugoslavia by NATO in 1999. And the reason for that military intervention was stopping an ethnic cleansing that was happening. While there was no ethnic cleansing happening in Ukraine that would justify a military intervention by RuSSia or anyone else in the February of 2014.

Velund was trying to dishonestly put an equation mark between those two - RuSSians do this crap often and that's why I'm debunking it.

Do you understand now?

Do you mean reading cr@p from western MSM and blindly believe in all that is said there under "behaving as adult"?

I would say you are trying to dishonestly mix up genocide in Donbass with almost peaceful secession of Crimea. Odessa was a sign to Donbass Russians that there will be no peaceful co-existence with hardcore banderites that understand only force (yes, it was Russian lands that was secessed by Lenin, and most inhabitants there is Russians by all means, including native language and self-determination). My grandfather was from vicinity of Dnepropetrovsk and I have a lot of relatives there and visited them time to time, so don't try to feed me that stinky substance that MSM feeds you about east of Ukraine.

Oh, I see you're reaching a completely new level of demagogy :))) Sorry, but you're not making any sense. I'm not trying to "mix up" anything. I'm debunking your dishonest comparison to NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999.

And there was no "genocide" in Donbass.


Somehow there was a peaceful co-existence later in Odessa, just like in the majority of Ukraine, until RuSSia started a full scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Nowadays the only thing that RuSSian speakers in Odessa have to fear is RuSSian shelling:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%932023_bombing_of_Odesa

There was same thing that was in Vilnius, when lithuanians take control over them and force part of polish and belarussian population to leave, replacing them with lithuanian peasants (some of them never seen watercloset before they was moved to a city - mother of my lithuanian friend told something that heard from their parents who lived in Vilnius all their life).

In Odessa we have massive resettling of loyal population from western ukraine, and moving of families of military service personnel stationed in Odessa region there. "Ukrainisation" of predominantly Russian-Jewish Odessa just like there was "Lithuanisation" of Vilna and turning it to Vilnius.

Quoting:

West must be ready for unfavorable outcome in Ukraine - Czech president
Ukraine will suffer "terrible losses" no matter what happens with its planned counteroffensive, Petr Pavel has warned

The conflict between Russia and Ukraine may not end in victory for Kiev, and its Western backers should prepare for such an outcome, Czech President Petr Pavel has told The Guardian newspaper.

Hey, stupid, if you read PF you would know that Ukraine never suffers any casualties, it's winning, and that Russia is out of ammo and on its last legs.

Also, this conflict is between the US, its NATO puppets and Russia. Uks are just proxies and tools so keep it straight.

In less than five hours, Russians will be celebrating their great victory over evil and remembering the millions who died.
It would be so cool to see an American flag carried by a US soldier as a reminder that once we were allies.

PF Russia-hating moron, Breath 1: Russia is weak, stupid, and incompetent.
The same PF moron, Breath 2: Russia is getting ready to conquer Europe.

This video is for you, Russia-hating morons.

youtu.be/tjbZ5ON_CTQ

Breath 1 - you are right. Muscovy is weak, stupid and incompetent. Add immoral and drunk.

Breath 2 - of course they can't conquer Europe. Any mid size NATO power like Sweden, Italy or Spain would defeat them. But what we are worried about is more bullying of peaceful neighbors like Moldova and Latvia.

Notice how neither Bobko nor Velund were able to address my question about the shape of their dream Russian New World ("built on our rotten corpses") in #3320...

... quite telling, isn't it? The problem is not in NATO, Ukraine, Poland, russophobia or Reptilians plotting about poor Mother Russia. The problem is in Russians themselves.

more russian lies.... that's been debunked more often than the Easter Bunny but russian imperialists cling onto it....

and if russia hadn't invaded then they'd all be alive today so the deaths are all on russia

People, the Putinazi gang specifically, continue to ignore the fact that Russia invaded. Thats it. It is the only fact anyone needs to know. It doesnt matter what the reasons are. The fact is Russia is the invading force in Ukraine, and they have no right to be there. It doesnt matter if they invaded to protect a Mickey Mouse statue or if they invaded to retake old Russian lands. In todays world there is simply no rational reason to invade a country that does not first attack you or commit a terrorist act on your people. The Donbas is not, and was not Russian territory, so if Ukraine wanted to blow up its own territory it was none of Russia's fvcking business. If Russian people lived in Ukraine, then they should get TF out and go to Russia. It really is a very simple solution.

Now, what happens after this war? Someone is going to rebuild Ukraine, and one way or another Russia will pay for it. The sanctions will not go away for years. How do all you Puinazis support little Vlad when his actions will continue to force every day Russians to suffer? This is like supporting a President who deliberately trashed the economy and recreated a 1990's way of life. Blindly following a tyrant is no better than blindly following Biden and the woke agenda. Just a different brand of stupidity.

Meanwhile, in Ukraine, Russians are evacuating area's and pulling back troops. Ukraine is shooting down missiles and drones as Russia made a pretty concerted effort yesterday with little to no results. Reports of Russian tanks being taken out of deep storage, those built in 1948 to 1950 and being sent to Ukraine show little Vlads desperation. These next few weeks are going to see a lot more Russian boys be killed, all because the reincarnated Peter the Great had a stupid idea. Still amazing that anyone would follow this idiot.

Why does the US spend 800 billion a year on the army without the enemy? Why do we have artillery, tanks, and 10 aircraft carrier groups? Why did the US go to the moon?

Because spending other people's money is fun and an addictive mental disorder. Plus a chance of stealing some of it.

As far as Poland, why do you expect sanity from the people that are capable of the Warsaw Uprising? How about because shopping for shiny objects involves trips to "America" and bribes?

What if Poland didn't spend the money it does not have...Poland is in NATO and NATO has that Article 5, so Poland is covered no matter how much it spends. Right?

If Russia was a threat to Europe, Europe would have WETO. It doesn't because you know that Russia wants peace just as any other country and couldn't care less about Poland - a tiny place full of nuts who hate Russia. One of them wrote this:


You forgot Lichtenstein.

Occupying Poland ... what a thrill...

@Novichok
It is pretty reasonable for the US to have all the military it does. The US is constantly under attack by terrorists. Terrorists need to be hunted and killed. That said, the US no longer needs to be the worlds police force and countries need to take care of themselves unless of course it is like Ukraine having to fight Russia. If it were Georgia having to fight Russia, they too should receive help. Or any other country in a similar situation.

Again, the fact that Russia has been at war just as much as the US over the last century is completely ignored. What about the proxy war the USSR (Russia) wged in Vietnam and Korea? Afghanistan anyone? Georgia? Moldova? Syria? Or any of the other dozen wars Russia has been involved with.

Poland is spending money it doesn't have. But if article 5 were to be enacted at some point, it would take the US at least one month to get enough boots on the ground to make a difference. This is one of the reasons the US is building so many new storage facilities in Poland.

Little Vlad is down to his T55 tanks now. First built in 1948. Let that sink in a little. Tanks that are 75 years old are moving to the front lines. Train loads of them. Only one tank in the big parade in Moscow. One tank. That is the state of Russia. Happy gulag biatches!

Well said. Especially since Russia had no problem with blowing up its' "own" territory in Czechniya when it so chose to.


That. No amount of whataboutism changes that.

No sane man argues that Germany invading Poland in 1939 was not a crime because the SU did so as well and later started the Winter War. (Though it was acknowledged that the Allies also used questionable methods which is why e.g. Dönitz got away with his life thus avoiding double standards).

Just as no one argues today that Person X should not be tried for murder because there have been other murderers who were never held accountable like Jack the Ripper.

In a perfect world we would hold all criminals accountable. We would have tried Stalin in 1945 and later brought Bush Jr. to Den Haag. We would solve every murder case.

But that is not the imperfect world we live in. We have to make due with what we can do.

There was no way to practically help Saddam Hussein against the USA (leaving aside how helping a mass murderer like Hussein would have looked like) nor could we have afforded to antagonize the USA over it.

But we can make a difference for good in Ukraine and that is what we are doing.

You will be surprised, as time come, how well all this is documented, especially compared to Bucha "show".

BTW, propaganda professionals worked with Bucha. Since the action was addressed to the English-speaking public, a settlement was chosen that was consonant in its name with the English word "butcher". But judical proofs.... lacks, to say the least. Everything for fast resonance in controlled MSM, so judical side was not worked out at all. Just like with Litvinenko and Skripals case. Anyone seen Litvinenko case coroner inquest?

In fact, someone in the past did the same with the place known as Koz'i Hory (Goat Heights), pulling up the name of the nearby village, which is consonant with the Polish "kat" (executioner).

...because the US can't comprehend the meaning of minding your own fu*cking business. Australia doesn't have tanks, artillery, 10 aircraft carriers, and - drum roll - no terrorists.

Yes, you are right. American tanks and artillery are so effective against terrorists who can just walk in from Mexico or fly in like the Tsarnaev brothers.

Did you ask yourself why terrorists do just love to terrorize the US but not Japan, South Korea, China, South America, Africa, and Australia?
You do know what circular logic is?
It works like this...First, the swamp sends the US army to Somalia. You know...war on terror. Somalis don't like them there so they kill a couple. What do we do? Instead of getting the fu*ck out, we to send the US army to protect the US army. Brilliant.

We deserve every single terrorist we get for our stupidity - from unenforced cockpit doors to open borders and for being the world's dumbest cop.

Rule one to follow: If a country is as stupid as the US, visit Israel and check how they do it.
Almost forgot...We can't even profile the Muslim scum at our airports. Oh, no, that would discrimination...Then die, a-holes...

Only to a Euro bootlicker.
Let me explain. If somebody is climbing up the stairs toward my bedroom at 2 am he will die before he can hurt me. No, I will not negotiate, ask about his childhood, or offer coffee.

I know ... you Euro bootlickers are supposed to retreat to the roof.

If you can't see the analogy, Russia looked at the maps and noticed that NATO is in motion toward Moscow. They know from the past what it means so they drew the line and told the whole world 1753 fu*cking times not to cross it. US MIC saw this as a twofer: a chance to make a buck and weaken Russia. Wow! Santa came early.

All they needed was a useful clown and a bunch of useful idiots. That was easier than they anticipated because Eastern idiots love dying for their countries. That's why Ukraine is like Hiroshima and Warsaw in 1945 and thousands of Ukrainians like that guy on the stairs - dead.

hos mad!


you think russians can read maps!


cuckoo for cocoa puffs!

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If not Russians, their satellites for sure. At least one nuke rocket has your coordinates programmed into it. You know ...that madman Putin...you never know what he is going to do so I would dial down your hate talk...No, the US will not commit suicide for a bunch of loudmouth morons in Warsaw.

ha ha ha!!!! no, seethe some more as I ridicule the senile, sick old moron known as Uncle Vova... worshipping dictators and tyrants is your hobby, unlike you, I'm free.

At last someone gets it right

Quote one post of mine where I "worship" anybody. I do admit that I hate useful idiots with passion.

Without them, there would be no wars. You see, my dear naive boy, a tyrant, no matter how tyrannical, can't have a war. He needs millions of useful and obedient idiots who are willing to die for any number of things - "za ojczyzne" and "democracy" at the top of the list.

Here, Western bootlickers think that democracy is electing party-chosen apparatchiks...hahahahahahahahaha...

it's context... your posts make no rational sense unless you do worship Vova the Very Sick....


in other words russian soldiers....

Meanwhile the May 9 parade in Moskva turned out to be a pretty ch|cken sh]t affair...

twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1655865740258320387

and fires rage in the Kurgan region.

twitter.com/novayagazeta_en/status/1655972608263716882

remmber that usually the army is brought in to help in these situations... but russians seem to think i't more important for them to be shot by Ukrainians.... so....

[image=https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvsprOEagAAn3Xc?format=jpg]lol[/image]

Isn't wearing that clown costume a case of discrediting the Russian army? LOL

He is lucky that they don't have a sense for irony in Russia.