Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5

A memo to moron Novichok - you can't compare the rest of Ukraine to Crimea.

Even the situation in Donetsk and Luhansk republics is different than in Crimea (worse).


The situation now is different than it was in 2014. Crimea and D and L republics are not the same as the rest of Ukraine. If the rest of Ukraine wanted to join RuSSia, they would do that in 2014. So, the situation would be different in the rest of Ukraine than in Crimea and D and L republics if RuSSia would occupy or even annex the whole of Ukraine.

Your comparison is very simplistic and unrealistic, you're not taking all the factors into consideration.

If you can't understand that, then you're the moron and we can't help you - we can't fix your brain.


Korvinus made good points and great arguments in #596. You lost that debate and made some lame excuse in order not to admit it. So, it looks like debating you is useless, not the other way around.

Besides, it's you who's calling us "morons", even though I wasn't calling you any names in this discussion.

For 40 years we Poles were harboring hostility towards our imperialist Soviet oppressors. Finally in 1989 the shift in global political situation allowed us to throw off the shackles, humoristically called the Warsaw Pact.

Jugoslavians were much more fortunate, due to their location they could tell Soviet Union to **** off in the second half of the 1940s already.

@Novichok, and you're missing another important point:


We don't have to egg anyone. The regular guys made the choice to fight against the RuSSian invasion. Do you remember the first days of this invasion? Everybody and their mother (and most probably Putin too lol) thought that Ukraine will fall in a few days, just like it happened with Crimea in 2014. Those regular Ukrainians surprised us all.

So why you are debating us and not Ukrainians is beyond me. We're not Ukrainians. We're not doing the fighting and dying. Why don't you ask THEM what are they fighting and dying for and what those "lofty phrases" mean to them?

Quoting RT:

Serbia may soon be forced to sanction Russia - Vucic
Western pressure on Belgrade will drastically increase as the Ukraine conflict escalates, the Serbian president said

I posted the above to suggest that only a K-grade moron can say with a straight face that any NATO member is free to leave. So, in the future, if you want to amuse K-graders with your Civics 101 recollections, go see K-graders.

So it was good, when OUN/UPA guys slaughtered Polish villages in Volyn for what they bllody wanted... and most of all, for freedom from Poland?


There is a Russian proverb - "To teach a fool is only to spoil"...

You make no sense at all. Of course every country is free to leave NATO.

Serbia isn't in NATO and it can be pressured about the sanctions only because... it wants to GET IN into the EU lol (and noone forces Serbia to apply for the EU membership - it's their choice):

reuters.com/world/europe/sanctions-russia-are-main-obstacle-serbias-eu-bid-pm-brnabic-2023-02-10/

Don't worry, the EU won't send tanks to Serbia in order to make them put sanctions on RuSSia lol
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"Умом Россию не понять"... потому что она сошла с ума.

Serbia can be pressured, because it is continental country COMPLETELY encircled by NATO members, without any ways to get access to trade routes without crossing territories of hostile neighbours..

@Velund, "hostile neighbours"? Are they still hostile? It's not the EU's or NATO's problem if Serbia can't make friends with their neighbours.


So is Switzerland. So?

Bakhmut: families that remain +ENG SUB

youtu.be/F2RE9gds1oU

They don't want to leave because they're waiting for their own to arrive.

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@Crnogorac3, how do you know? I've watched the whole video and there's no such thing said there. The reporter even asked that one family interviewed there and they said there was no goal in them staying in Bakhmut - they simply live there and feel at home. The woman said that leaving her own town would feel like a kind of "betrayal". They can leave - they have a place to stay - their son offered to take them away, but they said they feel "restless" anywhere else.

In all honesty, I understand Bobko better now when he called his cousin "stupid", because he decided to stay in Mykolaiv. But those people are worse - they have a kid. They can get their daughter killed. Stupid people and bad parents :(

Poor kid... 😢

Velund, stick around to share the pain...and it is painful dealing with a-holes who, just because you agree (editorial) with X, scream that you (editorial) are X's lover.


No, moron Paulina, since I never compared Ukraine to Crimea. I did and still do question the idea of Z's guys dying for "democracy" in Donbas and Luhansk. The rest of U can go to hell but not to NATO. From Putin's POV, NATO and Ukraine kissing up is non-negotiable.

The worst-case scenario for Putin is leaving the non-Russian part of Ukraine destroyed, and, thus, extremely unattractive plus a promise to wreck it again if they forget what the first attack was all about. It's like a pimp releasing a hooker with third-degree burns on her face.

Plus, since you love rules, NATO does not accept applications from countries with unresolved border conflicts. My guess is that Russia can keep that conflict unresolved for as long as the neutrality treaty is not signed.

Isn't life simple when logic replaces emotions?

But RuSSia didn't go only for Donbas and Luhansk, moron Novichok. RuSSia went for Kyiv.


Wow, you summed up RuSSia very well, haha lol Thanks for your honesty! :* :D
LOL


And that's my guess why (one of two reasons, actually) RuSSia kept that conflict for Donetsk and Luhansk regions unresolved for those 8 years.

So, Switzerland is potentially vulnerable, in case sometime their national interests will become incompatible with NATO agenda. You told something about freedom?

Quoting "free and democratic" Western press...

Death rate of Russian soldiers is at its highest since first week of Ukraine war with 824 dying every day in February, Ukrainian data reveals

Since Ukrainian soldiers are immune and immortal - at least on the basis of Z's stats - why does it take him so long to send Russians packing and begging for mercy?

Did you notice "allegedly" missing from the quoted statistic? They could have a Muslim scum slashing your throat on tape and still say "allegedly". Weird...

Switzerland isn't a member of NATO and it isn't a member of the EU. Novichok was blabbing something that a member country isn't free to leave NATO, which is bullsh1t.


How? What that "vulnerability" would be about? That they wouldn't be allowed to join the EU or NATO? They don't want to join anyway lol

It is about trade/airspace blockade (just like Serbia now cannot get flight permissions to some flights and get threats to cut gas/oil supplies).

@Velund, the EU in general is trying to cut itself from RuSSian gas and oil (although I don't know where things stand with this right now lol, because it seems to be changing all the time ;/), so Serbia may be simply a "collateral damage" in all of this.

Although Serbia seems to be doing fine - I don't see any tragedy here:

osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/analyses/2022-10-13/serbia-forced-abandonment-russian-oil

"Belgrade has gradually reduced its dependence on Russian oil imports in recent years, but when the price of oil dropped after Russia's invasion of Ukraine, NIS significantly increased purchases. In 2021, crude oil from the Russian Federation accounted for only 17% of all imported crude oil (51% came from Iraq, with small amounts from Norway and Iran), but in recent months this percentage has risen to 60% (at the expense of imports from Iraq)."

And about gas:

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-16/serbia-considers-more-gas-pipelines-to-cut-dependence-on-russia

"An EU grant is paying for half of the 93 million-euro ($99 million) cost of building the interconnector with Bulgaria, and Serbia is looking for more support from the bloc for additional cross-border pipes that could turn it into an important transit route."


You mean "some" flights like this one? :))):

reuters.com/world/europe/closed-airspace-forces-cancellation-russian-foreign-ministers-visit-serbia-ifax-2022-06-05/

Countries have the right to close their own airspace for certain flights. They're simply putting sanctions in place.

Volhynia happened, sure. But Poles suffered more at the hands of Russians and yet not many Russians mention Polish Operation of NKVD or Katyn as often as Volhynia.

UPA killed because of nationalism, Soviets because of class warfare (and somehow Poles were always considered enemies of the people, either in 1937-38 or 1940).

Anyway when Ukraine is being invaded by Russia its not the proper time to discuss history from 80 years ago.

It is free to leave. On paper, Miss Rules. Just like I am free to tell the cops they are morons and a-holes. You know, that First Amendment...

@Novichok, you keep making ridiculous comparisons. The behaviour of American officers is not NATO's problem:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_NATO

*American police officers

russian soldiers are dropping like flies and he can't handle it..... the more desperate they get the more irrational and crazy.....

ignore him, he does not have any insights that you can't get from a bunch of other shills...

Because the single advantage Russians have is numbers....poor young Russians sent to be slaughtered by Putin.....But ordinary Russians are slowly beginning to see all that Russian propaganda for what it is.

Putin cannot sustain this, I don't believe that ordinary Russians will put up with this for very much longer.

Look at what passes for family relations in russia....

twitter.com/EPICGOPFAIL/status/1624885030316023812

translated comment: My favourite genre. Relatives of the dead occupiers share the coffin payments. "She didn't have enough money that she received for you, Cyril. She still needs your car.

Real sketches from life in Russia always surpass the most daring and evil inventions of Russophobes

what a hideous deformed culture.... how awful and degrading it must be to be..... russian ..... blech....

And I think that ordinary Russians are beginning to agree with you.

wishful thinking, ordinary russians are with putain to the end or they're too pathetic to even know how to protest effectively.... inferior country produces inferior citizens....

You are far too negative.
I don't have great faith in Russian people either.
They seem to have the mentality of cattle!
But I have hope that in those stupid bovine bodies beats a human heart.

Maryinka

Did they have an earthquake as well? A series of earthquakes with a magnitude of 7.1 on the Wagner scale was recorded in Bakhmut.

t.me/DonbassDevushka/44434

Americans bought Ukraine. It will be expensive for them.

twitter.com/HungaryBased/status/1624791254553841665

It was confirmed that another freckled one got wasted.

t.me/denazi_UA/36340

In Poland and the Baltics, it's open hunting season for Ukrainian men (18-60) to bring them back to their deaths. They showed the world that they cannot keep their money and gold in Europe, now the humanitarian asylum is gone forever.

The Americans seem to have hypnotized some in the EU and taken away their common sense. Years of NSA/CIA taping & recording of private conversations and the Internet is paying off, blackmail is a useful thing.

@Crnogorac3
You are truly patheric......

Share your insights, please. So...

How many war casualties are on both sides?
How many U refugees are currently in Poland?
How much did Poland spend on U refugees?
How much did Poland spend on the war in U?

The first thing about "democracy" is transparency. Poland is a "democracy" so you should know the numbers I asked for.
Please don't say you can google it because Poland hides those numbers from foreigners like me. But you, being an insider with insights...a walk in the park.