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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5
Tacitus
14 Feb 2023 #662
despite attempts to block it
Mind you attempts that are purely motivated by the considerable enviromental damage those plans might cause on both sides of the border. You may not like it, but after the Oder disaster there are plenty of reasons to be suspicious about this.
Crnogorac3
14 Feb 2023 #663
New polling data about Polish attitude about war. Newspaper is freaking out over the fact that
- 36% of Poles believe we should promote peace at all costs even if Ukraine has to concede territory to Russia
- 34% say we should stop supplying weapons to Ukraine
- 40% say Ukrainization of Poland is happening and is destroying our culture and society
t.me/hotptakes/6008
Poles' support for their government's actions by being servants to Ukraine and Washington is rapidly declining.
PolAmKrakow
14 Feb 2023 #664
Behold, Ukraine says they need more ammo, and Germany ramps up ammo production to accommodate killing more Orcs. Just when the Orcs were getting a little hope that they could relinquish the title of worlds greatest dying civilization, Germany has to dash the Orcs hopes. Oh well looks like more Ivans, and Vladimirs will be going home in boxes or straight to a Ukraine landfill. Get your marshmallows out cause its Orc killing time!
Bratwurst Boy
14 Feb 2023 #665
Big disappointment ahead.....
According to Pistorius, the tank coalition is "not going so well"
When it comes to main battle tanks for Ukraine, Germany has long been seen as a brakeman abroad. Now the government wants to deliver - but the pushers of the past are hesitating. Defense Minister Pistorius is frustrated.
spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/boris-pistorius-spd-panzerkoalition-fuer-ukraine-laeuft-nicht-ganz-so-berauschend-a-34da9cf5-c947-43dc-afb3-fb79995fe4d4
...In addition to the German commitment to deliver 14 Leopard 2 A6s, there has only been an announcement from Portugal that three such tanks will be made available. More A6 are currently not in discussion, said Pistorius. Leopard 2 A4 tanks from Poland may have problems in terms of tank condition and serviceability.....
Hey! Where are all the Germany basher now? Come on.....
Tacitus
14 Feb 2023 #666
Yeah, without Germany less than 30 Leos have been commited so far. And those who have been commited are mostly older A4s and often in need of repair... .
jon357
14 Feb 2023 #667
both sides of the border
Both sides of the border are not a matter for Mecklenberg. Only one side is and they will have to put up with 'environmental damage'. If r*SSia prevail, 'environmental damage' is the last thing anyone needs to pretend to worry about.
Anyway, it's a container port not a nineteenth century phosphorous refinery, and Mecklenberg's whining was not motivated in the slightest by 'environmental damage' despite what they may pretend. It's motivated by two factors; their support for r*SSia and their outrage at Poles wanting a decent port themselves in the west of their pwn country rather than letting others earn port revenues from Rostock.
Anyway, they failed and the port is going ahead, fortunately.
Behold, Ukraine says they need more ammo, and Germany ramps up ammo production to accommodate killing more Orcs.
This is good news. It sounds bad to relish killing orcs however I'd rather they were safe at home in bed rather than killing raping and looting in Ukraine and since I have in-laws currently fighting on the front line, I'd rather orcs die than them.
to main battle tanks for Ukraine
I wish there was some good news on the 400 Challenger 1 tanks that are being retired by Jordan. They're old but in tip-top condition and better than the r*SSian ones.
Paulina
14 Feb 2023 #669
New polling data about Polish attitude about war.
Link?
Newspaper is freaking out over the fact that
Which "newspaper"?
t.me/hotptakes/6008
Again - some screenshot of "news" in English without any link given - I'm guessing it's fake since the "newspaper" isn't named and there is no name given of any institute that supposedly conducted that "poll".
So, I call bullsh1t! :)
PolAmKrakow
14 Feb 2023 #670
And now Norway steps up and donates 8 Leopard 2 tanks! And another 25 million for parts and ammo. Now if Norway can kick in, everyone better get their $hit together.
@Crnogorac3
That looks like the Russian stripper I banged during spring break in Florida in the early 90's. Or is that the Serbian one? So easily get them confused, their all ho3's you know.
Paulina
14 Feb 2023 #671
Ah, sorry, Crnogorac3, posted something real for a change! ;D:
gazetaprawna.pl/wiadomosci/swiat/artykuly/8648057,rosyjska-propaganda-polacy-badanie-wei.html.amp
Of course, he didn't post the commentary and analysis of those results :)
36% (...) 34%
That means the majority of Poles has a different view :)
Btw, I find this result hard to believe, tbh:
- 40% say Ukrainization of Poland is happening and is destroying our culture and society
This is ridiculous :D
Tacitus
14 Feb 2023 #672
environmental damage' is the last thing anyone needs to pretend
As if the fate of Ukraine depends on this port. And yeah, Schwerin will have to deal with the consequences but dont pretend those concerns are not valid or related to Russia.
Poland under PiS has an appalling enviromental record. At least there is now progress in the EU to allow countries to sue their neighbours for enviromental damages in border areas. If the new port works out as desired by Poland, that is great. If it causes damage, then the bill can hopefully presented to Warsaw as well.
gumishu
14 Feb 2023 #673
Poland under PiS has an appalling enviromental record
how about Poland suing Germany for using brown coal (aka lignite) for powering your power plants: you know prevailing winds in our corner of Europe are westerly so a big chunk of the pollution they create lands in Poland (during the DDR times the German power plants polluted so much that big swathes of forests died in the Karkonosze mountains in Poland and the Czech Republic)
also - how about Germany prohibiting the export of garbage to Poland
jon357
14 Feb 2023 #674
how about Poland suing Germany for using brown coal (aka lignite) for powering your power plants:
And they're opening coal mines too yet have closed or are closing clean and efficient nuclear plants. I suppose it's a combination of making a fast buck somewhere and their rather weird green party.
Nevertheless, all that will need to be rethought now supplies of oil and gas from r*SSia are not only ending but ending for ever.
r*SSia will be doomed to shift their nasty hydrocarbons to China and India at forced sale prices. Even their recent attempts to leverage supplies to Moldova as an act of hybrid warfare failed.
Donald trumpet was very rarely right, however even a fvcked clock is right twice a day and when he warned of the danger of depending too much on one country for energy supplies, he was bang on the money. Some of the people in the audience even laughed however they are not laughing now.
Bratwurst Boy
14 Feb 2023 #675
Erm....
Russian TV announces:
- "Russian units are preparing"
- "East Germany will be free!"
- "The world will be better without #pistorius , #Scholz & #Baerbock "
twitter.com/schuster_gunnar/status/1625532787921920001
Tacitus
14 Feb 2023 #677
Poland suing Germany
Poland has hardly a leg to stand on in this regard if we consider e.g. the Turów Power Station.
The world will be better without #pistorius , #Scholz & #Baerbock "
Threats are the only way the Russians can express respect.
Bratwurst Boy
14 Feb 2023 #678
Poland has hardly a leg to stand
They should start with suing Honecker and Co.....
Threats are the only way the Russians can express respect.
Pistorius, okay.....but Baerbock? ;)
gumishu
14 Feb 2023 #679
Poland has hardly a leg to stand on
oh so you're saying that the smoke from those high smokestacks of German lignite power plants flies directly into the stratosphere and never has anything to do with Poland - I bet you are right
Tacitus
14 Feb 2023 #680
Baerbock
I ve heard that the Russians have been rather angry with her several times. Remember she was the first minister who advocated sending Leopards to Ukraine.
PolAmKrakow
15 Feb 2023 #681
A very interesting article
foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/kremlins-grand-delusions
Meanwhile, Putin and the Orcs are re-educating, and holding 6000 Ukraine children against their will in camps inside of Russia. This is an absolute war crime. Less than fifty cents for a nice bullet to take little Vlad out, someone needs to make that investment.
PolAmKrakow
15 Feb 2023 #683
@Alien
I am sure it would cause a pause long enough to change the dynamic of what is happening and make Russian people rethink things. A power struggle at home and a war away? Not exactly a formula for successful management of crisis.
Alien
15 Feb 2023 #684
@PolAmKrakow
I hope you are right about everything. I like reading your posts. They are so.... edifying.
Korvinus
15 Feb 2023 #685
medium.com/@x_TomCooper_x/ukraine-war-14-february-2023-e34ee8d0afb9
after blackmailing Ukraine (and the Pentagon) for two days, SpaceX has fully restored all functions of the StarLink communication system, already the last weekend. And, hear-hear: the ZSU can use it for whatever it likes....
As expected, Elon Musk shat himself, most likely after being reminded that a good portion of his business relies on a goodwill of the US government so throwing further tantrums might prove very costly. I hope this time the manchild understood the message.
Still, Ukraine needs a communication systems not reliant on Elon's PMS.
amiga500
15 Feb 2023 #686
I hope this time the manchild understood the message.
Surprisingly, you, like any lefty NPC have latched onto the programming that Elon: Bad Man.
Your blog is a meth fuelled rant, like the russian spring offensive started 3 weeks ago lol, is this where you got that vaccines had embedded microchips?
Musk and SpaceX is well within his rights until the Urkis, meaning the USA pony up the benjamins for his new military grade system Starshield. He's spent billions helping ukraine whilst others are getting the fat for a percent of the innovation.
"Starshield leverages SpaceX's Starlink technology and launch capability to support national security efforts,"
"While Starlink is designed for consumer and commercial use, Starshield is designed for government use."
spacex.com/starshield/
SpaceX's Starlink satellite internet service, which has provided Ukraine's military with broadband communications in its defense against Russia's military, was "never never meant to be weaponized," Gwynne Shotwell, SpaceX's president and chief operating officer, said during a conference in Washington, D.C.
Using Starlink with drones went beyond the scope of an agreement SpaceX has with the Ukrainian government, Shotwell said, adding the contract was intended for humanitarian purposes such as providing broadband internet to hospitals, banks and families affected by Russia's invasion.
Remember, Starlink is ultimately a civilian internet service, intending to provide internet to under-served communities in regional areas around the world
Korvinus
15 Feb 2023 #687
Surprisingly, you, like any lefty NPC have latched onto the programming that Elon: Bad Man.
I know that Elon Musk is popular among millenials. He's edgy and often crosses the line.
Starlink cannot survive without federal contracts or orders from Western countries. That's why Elon will keep funding Ukraine's Starlink internet - even if he does not like it
It was always a play to try to get more money from the government. A lot of Elon's businesses rely on generous subsidies or contracts from the US government. So much so that it is certainly a deliberate business strategy on his part. He was trying to get the US military to pay him more money for the Ukrainian Starlinks.
Bratwurst Boy
15 Feb 2023 #688
European Sky Shield Initiative gains two more participants
nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_211687.htm
Today (15 February 2023), Denmark and Sweden joined the European Sky Shield Initiative (ESSI) coordinated by Germany. This brings the number of participants to 17, including 15 Allies as well as invitees Finland and Sweden. Among other things, the initiative aims to strengthen NATO's Integrated Air and Missile Defence by facilitating the multinational acquisition and integration of a broad range of air defence capabilities by European countries. ....
Where is Poland???
PolAmKrakow
15 Feb 2023 #689
@Korvinus
Not a millennial over here. Musk is the Einstein of the 21st century. People need to give the guy a lot of credit. There is no greater creative mind on the planet. Satellite internet was just a pipe dream until he came along and made it happen. What ever he does to get his funding really doesn't matter. If he provides assistance that is the only thing that matters to Ukraine.
Imagine what a tech center Ukraine is going to become in the future. With their amazing innovations impacting the war now, these are really some incredibly smart and creative people who are going to be flooded with opportunity when this ends.
Meanwhile, about 800 more Orcs were liquidated yesterday. Valentines day and all the hearts were pumping those left on the field to bleed out. Happy gulag biatches!
Joker
15 Feb 2023 #690
Musk is the Einstein of the 21st century.
Pure genius and a patriot. He has the lefties besides themselves as they try and ignore truth. Just a few years ago he was the hero with his electric cars and SpaceX. Once he didn't agree with their woke indoctrination they tried to cancel him.. I didnt work and hes stronger than ever:):)
Meanwhile, about 800 more Orcs were liquidated yesterday
The Biden admin wants the war to continue and gives them the minimal to keep the Industrial military complex happy.
The war could have been over by now.
he U.S. and its Western allies blocked a peace deal he helped broker last March between Ukraine and Russia.
headlineusa.com/biden-administration-blocked-russia-ukraine-peace-deal-says-former-israeli-pm/