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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5



PolAmKrakow
23 Feb 2023  #961

@Novichok Lets not forget the Vietcong joining the Taliban or the Mexicans calling a strike on Tequila. More nonsensical bull$hit. Too bad you fvcked up your post prior with this latest driveling. You actually made a little sense in #959 But I knew it would only last as long as the medication was working.

Meanwhile in the real war, another thousand Orcs have been turned into red paint on a fresh snow-covered field in Ukraine. Just in time to help the spring fertilization needs of farmers. Happy gulag biatches!

BladaDupa
23 Feb 2023  #962

polamkrakow you may find this interesting boi:

youtu.be/wCEwOHWRMDw

Also what is ur opinion of your fellow countrywoman or what this chick Ania has to say and how shes always in Moscow lately?

youtu.be/_wEI7JqnBnc

wat u fink?

johnny reb
23 Feb 2023  #963

Do you really think they'd stand any chance if France, the UK or the US gets involved for real?

YES !
Do you really think NATO stands a chance if Russia and China go up against NATO with their nukes ?
You Poles are a little bit too secure hiding behind your big brothers.
And I assure you that it would only take about three nukes from them to put Poland into starvation mode.
Think before you boast about your bullet proof security of other countries to hide behind.

BladaDupa
23 Feb 2023  #964

nobody is going to die for some slavic infighting holy war johnny or ****** countries like poland or ukraine.

PolAmKrakow
23 Feb 2023  #965

@BladaDupa
First video was interesting and good. Second is just another person with opinions, but not dramatized so it was better than most news stories.

@johnny reb
And once the nukes fly they all fly and the only ones left standing are in Australia and New Zealand in a nuclear winter. All the nuke talk isn't going anywhere.

Bobko
23 Feb 2023  #966

@johnny reb

Declassified Cold War archives show that America was planning to wait until after nuclear strikes on Britain and France, before responding in kind. The European war was planned as largely conventional, though nuclear strikes on West Germany and the Low Lands, were considered as not reaching the threshold of mutually assured destruction.

Novichok
23 Feb 2023  #967

as not reaching the threshold of mutually assured destruction.

Only genders are binary. Wars are grey and so are nukes.

Not every nuke has to be like the one the USSR exploded on October 30, 1961 - the largest nuclear weapon ever set off. And by whom? The primitive "Mongols" and "barbarians" who later were first in space and now play Uber to that station up in the sky.

A kiloton dropped on Eastern Poland would be a great inducement for the Poles to tone down on the bravery scale. No, the US will not commit suicide for you so take that Article 5, roll it up, and ... hide it somewhere.

PolAmKrakow
23 Feb 2023  #968

@Novichok
Ok dummy, if Article 5 would not be invoked then WTF is the problem with NATO that you and all the other useful idiots claim is the reason for the war. The reason that Putin has not used once. You and your stupid fvcking comments are not even challenging or based on any intellectual foundation. You're John Balushi in 1941.

What happens when Putin uses a tactical nuke in Ukraine? Nothing because he wont. If he were dumb enough to pollute the land he claims is Russian, he would sacrifice his entire Black Sea fleet for it. Doesn't seem like a good cost to pay. What does he get when sending over a half million men to Ukraine? Close to 60% of them in body bags and wheelchairs. That is the immortal and retarded leader you praise. I am going to start inviting people to this forum to see a level of stupidity never before seen on earth with some of the traitors here.

Novichok
23 Feb 2023  #969

Hey, stupid, NATO is as useful to the US as the Ministry of Colonies is to the UK.

PolAmKrakow
23 Feb 2023  #970

@Novichok
NATO looks pretty useful in this proxy war doesn't it genius? NATO looks pretty good helping little Ukraine beat Russia's a$$ doesn't it? Where is the big Russian victory? Where is the massive Russian army? Where are the absolutely crushing blows? They don't fvcking exist moron. Fighting Russia is like fighting a geriatric retard in a wheelchair. Oh wait a minute who does that bring to mind? Go take a vitamin, drink some ensure and leave the real thinking to those who are qualified.

Kashub1410
23 Feb 2023  #971

@PolAmKrakow
Question is what Putin will do after the war has ended (have a hard time imagining this turning in to a Hundred Years' War)

-He can take the honourable approach, sign a peace treaty then abdicate under safe terms for himself (highly unlikely)

-He can stay in power, blame the military leadership pushing for reform by:

A) Removing all current military leadership on the basis of corruption, lack of leadership and incompetence then add all successful or competent young officers on higher positions to gain the most loyal and youngest generation of soldiers who survived the onslaught and guarantee a future voting power base for himself and his cohorts.

B) Removing all current military leadership on the basis of corruption, lack of leadership and incompetence then add other loyalist and also prone to corruption people from his own party only, then watch as all the youngest peeps disgruntedly escape Russia in droves or plan a rebellion or actually rebel.

-A coup d'etat happends and Putin gets removed/arrested and a general reform happends where more extreme elements have more to say and a more brutalised Russia comes to existence which will spark civil War or rebellion/increase of internal conflict

-Peace treaty gets signed and liberal+pro western Russians gets more favour and more media attention while Russia works on joining EU and NATO long term while pro-Putin click gets sent to Hague

Which of them is least likely and most likely is quite obvious, but we will see

Bobko
23 Feb 2023  #972

@Kashub1410

I want him to do a deal with the West. He gets something meaningful for Russia from Ukraine (say, those 4 oblasts). But as "punishment", and in order to not further embarrass the West, he has to go - like Napoleon to Elba. The new president of Russia will then be freed of Putin's toxic legacy. If the West demands Crimea or the other regions back, he can just say: "Impossible. The Russian people will crucify me."

Kashub1410
23 Feb 2023  #973

@Bobko
It's fairly unrealistic that gains anything from this war, if I was in the Russian leadership I would prioritise to minimise losses, make a future plan (a best possible option) and get a white peace as soon as possible before native Russian lands will have to be given up.

But, yeah. Thankfully I don't work for Russia

Crnogorac3
23 Feb 2023  #974

another American humanitarian seriously wounded, missing a part of his arm, scandal, so the Russians are only killing innocent people or is she a humanitarian, what is this about its gender, sex? some hermaphrodite

twitter.com/SarahAshtonLV/status/1628734097529925632

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pawian
23 Feb 2023  #975

The war has continued for a year now.

This is what Pawian wrote on 19 January 2022 in the OP`s post

Ukrainians might lose a few battles, cities or even regions against stronger Russians but they must not lose hope that they will win the war sooner or later. They need to show resilience and determination and give Russian invaders hell wherever and whenever possible. If Russians invade, they have to acquire a nasty dejavu of their Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in 20th century where the losses they suffered by relentless guerilla fighters made them eventually leave in disgrace.

Prophetic words......

Bobko
23 Feb 2023  #976

get a white peace

A white peace is already a disaster for Russia. Tens of thousands killed, economy sanctioned, and then... white peace? Society will ask the Kremlin big questions then, as it has done in the past. The Kremlin understands this, and will thus not entertain that avenue. Instead it will "escalate to deescalate", all the way to nuclear threats. In that case, we will have some kind of Cuban Crisis 2.0, which is maybe the only thing that will cool everybody down at this point. The first step in this opera has already been played, with Russia pulling out of New START. The next step is nuclear tests, which have been announced.

pawian
23 Feb 2023  #977

The next step is nuclear tests, which have been announced.

And then the West will have their own tests.
What will Russia achieve by escalation? Nothing. Only more sanctions. You will be diminished into Venezuela standards. hahahaha

jon357
23 Feb 2023  #978

Ashton-Cirillo

Sarah is a hero. Here are her own words this morning about her injuries: "I was hit this morning. My injuries are permanent. I've lost part of my hand and have scarring on my face. We won the battle, though."

Meanwhile, 1000 orcs have just been dispatched to Hell, where they belong.

Korvinus
23 Feb 2023  #979

You Poles are a little bit too secure hiding behind your big brothers.
And I assure you that it would only take about three nukes

Well, Poland haven't developed its own nukes because NATO's guarantees about nuclear umbrela, from our "big brothers".
Sure, every Pole has, at the back of his mind, the memory of September' 39 and our western allies back then.
But them US wasn't one of these, so until proven otherwise we are taking their word at face value.

pawian
23 Feb 2023  #980

so until proven otherwise we are taking their word at face value.

Yes, I am actually curious how NATO reacts to the Russian attack against Poland.
Hey, Russians, can you attack us with a rocket or two? You can strike a power station, like you do in Ukraine. We shall see what happens next...... hahahaha

jon357
23 Feb 2023  #981

September' 39 and our western allies back then.

Yes, they declared war and the UK lost 6% of its adult male population as well as civilians killed during the Blitz. France was more concerned about themselves.

Yes, I am actually curious how NATO reacts to the Russian attack against Poland.

Article 5 is Article 5. It has been triggered once and is binding.

We shall see what happens next...... hahahaha

Moscow would be under a metre of glass.

Korvinus
23 Feb 2023  #982

they declared war and the UK lost 6%

Come on, be serious. They declared the war and then have been sitting on their hands.
After that, a year latter, Hitler attacked UK on his own, and over the course of the war, 880,000 British forces died.
If UK and France attacked Hitler while he was busy with Poland... But that is going off topic.

Bobko
23 Feb 2023  #983

Hey, Russians, can you attack us with a rocket or two?

We did, by accident - it would seem. Everybody made such an effort to pretend it didn't happen, that it left Zelensky looking absurd with his claims that Ukraine possessed intelligence proving it was a deliberate Russian attack.

It was one of the rare occasions in the past year, where Russian and American politicians were on the same page.

Article 5 is Article 5. It has been triggered once and is binding.

Yes, it was triggered and only once. What happened? Non-state actors (emphasis on "non-state") attacked several American buildings with the use of civilian airliners. America declared war on one of the poorest countries in the world, for sheltering the organization behind the attacks. Its vassals loyally followed. There they killed hundreds of thousands of locals in response for the killing of less than 3,000 Americans (by Saudis).

Now what's happened every other time somebody attempted to invoke it? America talked them out of doing it. Most of those attempts originated from Turkey, either over things happening in Syria, or inside the country. But there are other incidents, excluding intra-NATO conflicts (Greece-Turkey), where the US talked people out of stirring up a mess, like the recent incident in Poland and others in places like Albania.

Article V itself does not mandate a military response from alliance members. It only says they have to do what they think is appropriate.

mafketis
23 Feb 2023  #984

russians are so pathetic.... in just one year they've already lost well ovedr 10 times the number of soldiers in Ukraine than they did in Afghanistan over 9 years and they're not even thinking that maybe they should stop dying and sending their sons off to die (while Solovyov's son vvhores himself out in London).

robbed blind for years the stupid and pathetic and weak bovine russians just go 'moooooo moooooo... milk us more'

sad and stupid and feckless with only three responses: apathy, self-pity and thuggish threats

put up with a stupid dictatorial leader and that's what happens to your country....

for much of the world, learning about russia since they began their cursed war is a bit like lifting a rotting log in a forest and seeing the fungus and rot and vermins squirming around..... no wonder Ukrainians want nothing to do with russia or russians....

pawian
23 Feb 2023  #985

Article V itself does not mandate a military response from alliance members. It only says they have to do what they think is appropriate.

You talk like an expert now. Call on NATO to hire you to coach them on the true meaning of Article 5. hahahaha

Bobko
23 Feb 2023  #986

You talk like an expert now

Not so much an expert, as a person that can read and use his hands to search on Google. Wikipedia states the following:

The key section of the treaty is Article 5. Its commitment clause defines the casus foederis. It commits each member state to consider an armed attack against one member state, in the areas defined by Article 6, to be an armed attack against them all. Upon such attack, each member state is to assist by taking "such action as [the member state] deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area." The article has only been invoked once, but considered in a number of other cases.

pawian
23 Feb 2023  #987

including the use of armed force,

That is why we need to test it in practice.
Hey, Russians, attack one of Polish power stations to see what happens next. :):):):)

Crnogorac3
23 Feb 2023  #988

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Crnogorac3
23 Feb 2023  #989

Americans fighting on Russia's side:

bitchute.com/video/ChdExzDtogY6/

jon357
23 Feb 2023  #990

They declared the war and then have been sitting on their hands.

Given that there was almost no army and they needed to produce weapons and draft soldiers, they did exactly the right thing. Buying time is important; Ukraine did this (largely with the support of Britain) after the 2014 invasions of Crimea and Donbas in order to train, plan strategy and prepare. Good that they did; it is an established military strategy. There would have been little point going in guns blazing in 2014 and there were no guns to blaze in with in 1939.

880,000 British forces died.

Plus a lot of Commonwealth/Empire soldiers too. And the death toll from the current Ukraine war may well reach that. r*SSia alone has lost 140,000+ orcs already.

America declared war

Rightly so; had they not done so, 9/11 would merely have been the prelude to further and larger attacks. If there's a risk, it needs neutralising. r*SSia is the risk right now as their illegal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine has shown.

Really, the free world should have taken more notice after the illegal invasion of Georgian sovereign territory a few years ago.


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