Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5

Oh fu..k, I am on the Jewish side.

Very accurate.


russia is a culture of failure, they've yet to creat any version of their country that's not a dysfunctional nightmare of poverty and violence and theft....

The US being bound by this idiocy is beyond moronic. Some sh*ithole like Albania joins and adds nothing, but it sure creates a liability to the US. Sick...

Yes, I know, the Baltics and their "armed forces"...


Just look at any Youtube video on the subject and then read the comments by Americans. That will tell you where we stand. 90% of them are like my posts here.

Really?
You are not looking at the bigger picture Rich.
America needs Europe.
Maybe not as much as Europe needs America.
But this is a two way street.

BS. To America, Europe is a liability and a PITA.
America can be attacked by only two countries: Russia and China. Neither case would involve Europe as those attacks would be nuclear.

You are ignoring the economic, technologic and political advantages Europe offers the USA.
You are too narrow minded and cynical
Yeah, just cut America off from the rest of the world!!!!
See you in 10 years time when Europe is feeding starving Americans!

What you said has nothing to do with NATO and the US obligations under that sick, lopsided "treaty".

Did you notice that so many of your responses do not address what I said in my post but are always personal and full of crap? Like this:

See you in 10 years time when Europe is feeding starving Americans!

Europe feeding starving Americans? Really? Are you OK?

So let's put back on tracks...The US needs NATO to defend itself from Russia or China as I need a bazooka for self-defense.

If you know who else other than China and Russia could attack the US. please let me know. Also, how would they do it? With tanks, artillery, or nukes?

The Chinese are going to try and broker a peace deal with Russia and Ukraine. If it works it will be the most humiliating thing that could happen to Bidumb and the USA.

He is a total embarrassment to our country!

Chinese President Xi Jinping is expected to deliver a "peace speech" on the Feb. 24 Oh, the irony!

@Kashub1410
Putin can claim a victory in Ukraine with the Russian people after showing how he has made most of the areas in question uninhabitable. Frankly it would be an honest claim at this point. The problem with any deal is Russian law prohibits giving up land that it claims as its own. So giving back these areas can't be done by Putin unless there is a change in the laws. Maybe he puts that on the Duma and calls it the will of the people. The only way he stays in power is through a peace deal, otherwise this will only end when he is either dead or locked up. He is not going to give up power willingly.

@Bobko
Wanting Putin to do a deal with the west is the start of you sounding intelligent. There is no out for Putin without a structured deal. There is no "win" in Ukraine for Russia. All the nuke talk will do nothing. Backing out of START when not allowing inspections since the pandemic is not surprising. Putin knows and has said he cannot beat NATO. So, there is only one option and that is a negotiated peace. Putins problem is he is not winning and has little to no negotiating power. Once longer-range missiles get to Ukraine, Russia will be in a much more precarious position. The window to get out of this and save face is probably only six months long right now.

So, it's the anniversary of the invasion. Who would have thought that what was supposed to be a 3-day blitzkrieg of the "2nd most powerful army in the world" would last a full year? And the end of it is nowhere in sight either. In the world without nukes this farce wouldn't last for more than 2 months, which is another proof that nuclear weapons, even if they are never used again, were a disastrous invention. :-/

And now they're the second most powerful army in Ukraine.


They ended WW2 which was obviously a plus, however if the scientific and technical effort that has been put into weapons research and production over the years had been put into medical research, powergen or food production for less developed countries, the world would be a very different place and humanity better for it. r*SSia must take the largest share of the blame for that.

Two big points I've seen mentioned are:
1. Respect territorial integrity of Ukraine, which of course Russia won't do
2. Stop arm shipments to Ukraine, which of course the West won't do as long as Russia does not do 1.

Basically a nothingburger. No warnings of PLA coming to Europe, the Chinese at least try for once to be serious and not cast impotent threats.

Russian society never asked Kremlin any questions, as far as I know

Poland is the first country to deliver Leopards to Ukraine...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raporty/raport-ukraina-rosja/aktualnosci/news-leopardy-2-dla-ukrainy-polska-jako-pierwsza-przekazala-czolg,nId,6617852

... :)

Hopefully this will exert some pressure on other countries to speed up their deliveries.

Let's cut the crap and try to answer this simple question: What is the likelihood of Russia being defeated by Ukraine and forced out of C, D, and L?

BTW, Zholes bragging about how many Russians they killed was the stupidest move ever. Knowing Russia and its history, that is not going to make them softer and more eager to run.

Zhole - typically a guy blabbering about how others should risk their lives defending their "democracy".
Look for "to the last man" and "every square foot" to detect one.

Streltsy Rebellion, Stenka Razin Rebellion, Pugachev Rebellion, Decembrist Revolt, Assassination of Alexander II, February Revolution, October Revolution, Civil War, Perestroika, 1991 failed GKChP Coup, 1996 Yeltsin almost loses elections to Communists, Bolotnaya Square Demonstrations, etc.

Yeah, Russians are a very docile bunch. That's why their leaders fear them like fire.

The things you mention are all r*SSian.

Ukraine is not r*SSia and what happens in Kyiv is no more a matter for r*SSia than what happens in Lisbon is a matter for Spain.

Now, on the other hand, Western citizens routinely protest and rebel against their ruling mobs ... especially about open borders and lockdowns. See the US and Australia.

To the slower ones...that was sarcasm.


What is "r*SSia"? Can't find it on the map. I can't find Moronville, either, so maybe it's just me.

It all depends what we understand as defeat. Ukraine is not going to invade Russia and force her to surrender, but they are well able to chase invaders away from their land.


I think I already gave you a rough estimate some time ago: 85% for C and 100% for both D and L.

Your estimates are not grounded in history but are merely wishful thinking. A nuclear power will never be pushed out of what it sees as its property. Try the US and Gitmo to see how it works.

What do you think the Us would do to the Rs once the Russian army is gone? Give them flowers and chocolates or reprisals for being "collaborators"?

Russia and Putin know and have the means to make sure that this will never be the scene.

Willing to bet a bottle of something nice?

It's Lent, and that would be gambling, so no.

Really?? So the sanctions will last for ever.

We have time.......

While the sanctions clock is ticking and ticking and ticking.......

Don`t ask for whom the clock ticks. It ticks for Russia and you. hahahaha

Russia losing. Their big offensive was a flop (it is looking more and more like they will probably fail to even take Bakhmut), and their ammo stockpiles for many important ammo types (152mm of most importance) are not large enough to support the Russian military given the way they try to fight (very artillery dependent).

More and more categories of munitions equipment are also showing strain as Russia is reaching near the bottom of stockpiles and having to ration more and having a harder time refurbishing old stuff out of deep storage.

Ukraine's offensives this Spring will be a pretty heavy blow to Russia's will to continue to fight the war when it demonstrates that Ukraine is still able to make advances while Russia can not.

I expect the war to be decided by this summer. The negotiations and final deal may still drag out for a while, but it will be negotiations on Ukraine's terms that end on terms very favorable to Ukraine.

I wasn't so optimistic about how likely that outcome was in January given Ukraine's inability to follow up their Fall offensive with a Winter one. But Russia's new offensive has shown that Russia still hasn't been able to restore important capabilities even with mobilization and has confirmed that Russia ammo shortages are continuing to grow.

It also showed that many the same old problems that have plagued Russia since day 1 are still not fixed. Most significantly that the Russian military is still rife with false reporting with unit commanders reporting a higher level of readiness than they actually posses causing the higher level Russian command to chronically overestimate their own capabilities leading to them doing ill advised attacks with insufficient forces within a context of political pressure to provide victories.

That isn't to say that Ukraine's spring offensive should be expected to gain as much ground as the Fall 2022 offensive, that isn't that likely since Russia actually has secondary lines now, but it will still be significant and a stark comparison to Russia's inability to make significant advances.

If that's the only reason for your reluctance...

The last time Russia and Ukraine were at war, it took 5 years - as has been pointed out here. At other times in the past the wars may have been shorter. In all cases they ended the same way. Perhaps this one will be an exception.

Yes, Russia, crushed by the Western sanctions, will erupt. Putin and his gangster clique will be killed, the Russian army will withdraw from Ukraine. The civil war that will break out will cause the disintegration of current Russia into several - I suppose a dozen at least - Russianstans. After they settle down their borders, tThey will beg the West for peace, agreeing to send war criminals to the Hague Tribunal and to pay the reparations.

Eastern Ukraine occupied currently by Russians will return to Ukraine. Crimea will be under international jurisdiction for several years until the referendum which will decide if they want to remain independent or join Ukraine.

Losing what? No Polish poetry or metaphors, please. Only numbers.

The special operation planned for 3 days turned into 365. Simple.
Another number is the drop of Russian revenue from fossile fuels export last January - by 40% down. And it will get even worse soon.

How do you like those numbers ?? I love them. hahahaha

By who it was planned for 3 day? Any links to related materials?