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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5
Novichok
3 Mar 2023 #1232
It's not only Russian's dying.
You are lying.
Show me one article in the Western press that says how many Ukrainians were KIA and WIA.
If they can send their reporters to count dead Russians, why not send them to Ukraine to count dead Ukrainians? This is especially perplexing considering that Russia is a closed dictatorship and Ukraine is a democracy.
cms neuf
3 Mar 2023 #1233
Look it up yourself,
That is if your boss at the troll farm lets you use Google. Mind you it's Friday so he's already off at his dacha while you still have 3 more hours of hard trolling left.
Novichok
3 Mar 2023 #1234
The Russians will be out by this time next year.
They are out of ammo and the will to fight already so why "next year"?
Also, out of what? Can you publish the details of your analysis?
Look it up yourself,
I did. Nothing about dead Ukrainians. What about your sources? Or did Ukrainians turn immortal?
jon357
3 Mar 2023 #1235
The Russians will be out by this time next year.
At the very latest. This spring looks to be decisive and the r*SSians are not doing well.
Novichok
3 Mar 2023 #1236
and the r*SSians are not doing well.
OK, how about the Russians? How are they doing?
BTW, how did you learn to predict war outcomes?
Also, I searched PF looking for your prediction of when the US will be out of Afghanistan and found none. How come?
jon357
3 Mar 2023 #1237
A very good article here outlining some of the key mistakes the r*SSians are making:
"the new offensive still uses ridiculous First World War tactics, which come up short against a 21st-century, well-equipped, well-trained, and highly motivated Ukrainian army"
telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/03/vladimir-putin-keeps-making-basic-mistakes/
Novichok
3 Mar 2023 #1238
which come up short against a 21st-century, well-equipped, well-trained, and highly motivated Ukrainian army"
There is no shame in losing to a well-equipped, well-trained, and highly motivated army. Losing to the Taliban is shameful. Even more shameful is donating billions in weapons and equipment to them.
BTW, why would a British publication try to help Russia by pointing out their "key" mistakes? Aiding and abetting the enemy is treason, pure and simple.
Or the article is just another Western piece of journalistic garbage...
May I suggest thinking before posting?
jon357
3 Mar 2023 #1239
That's probably the first time I've seen an analysis by Colonel De Bretton-Gordon described as garbage.
I suspect he knows what he is saying rather more thoroughly than the author of the verbally incontinent trolling post above.
PolAmKrakow
3 Mar 2023 #1240
@Novichok
Publicly supporting the enemy is aiding and abetting. You sir are guilty of treason, making you a traitor. Thanks for playing along. Now kindly pack your $hit and get out.
Bobko
3 Mar 2023 #1242
Hello, just passing through - to say - that Polish aid to Ukraine of weapons and ammunition will go down in Polish history as one of the most disastrous foreign policy mistakes committed by a government.
Lenka
3 Mar 2023 #1244
will go down in Polish history as one of the most disastrous foreign policy mistakes committed by a government.
Why would that be?
Korvinus
3 Mar 2023 #1245
Polish aid to Ukraine of weapons and ammunition will go down in Polish history as one of the most disastrous foreign policy mistakes
As I have already said, Russia is Poland's existential enemy. Every loss of Russia (including loss against Ukraine) is a win for Poland.
jon357
3 Mar 2023 #1246
Why would that be?
It won't.
He's sore that the war is not going r*SSia's way, that their media are already talking about r*SSia losing and he's making veiled and empty threats.
We can expect to see plenty of empty threats from people online as well as more official attempts as r*SSia's defeat and inevitable humiliation draws nearer.
GefreiterKania
3 Mar 2023 #1247
Polish aid to Ukraine of weapons and ammunition will go down in Polish history as one of the most disastrous foreign policy mistakes
Hmm... interesting.
From our point of view the decision of providing aid to Ukraine seems logical:
- it prolongs the war in Ukraine and gives us time to prepare our defences;
- it weakens our mortal enemy and probably the only country on Earth who denies Poland the right of existence (see Putin's
favourite court philosopher Dugin for more details);
- it strengthens our position as an American ally, which might come in handy if the sh*t hits the fan even more than it already did;
- getting rid of old Soviet weapons and ammo only hastened the decision to seriously modernise our army and switch entirely to NATO standard equipment, sped up the purchases and strengthened our military industry (all those future thousands of K2PL being produced in PoznaĆ, thanks to the contract with South Korea, among other things).
Where's our mistake here, Bobi?
jon357
3 Mar 2023 #1248
Silly Brit
r*SSians always become abusive when they're losing; and online, it's part of their playbook.
Nevertheless, they are losing this war and frighten nobody.
court philosopher Dugin
I wouldn't call him a philosopher. More a rancid and deranhed demagogue. Hopefully he will soon join his putrid daughter.
- it prolongs the war in Ukraine
The longer the r*SSians are held in place or slowly pushed back, the more orcs die (around 1,000 a day now), the more equipment they lose (they can't replace it) and the more exhausted they become. It's happening now, and for r*SSia, their nightmares have barely begun.
GefreiterKania
3 Mar 2023 #1249
they are losing this war and frighten nobody
Bobi knows that Poles are not easily frightened. That's what makes his post #1,243 even more interesting because there has to be something more to it. Let's see what he has to say.
the more equipment they lose (they can't replace it)
Apparently, BTR-50s have been seen on Ukrainian front recently. Their production started in 1954 and ended around 1970. If Russians have to resort to using battle vehicles almost as old as Novi, something must be going wrong for them.
cms neuf
3 Mar 2023 #1250
Exactly - the key is to focus on destroying Russian equipment. Also think it is worth to launch an invasion to liberate Crimea from the sea - any time before 11.30am would work as the Russians would still be sleeping off last nights booze
Bobko
3 Mar 2023 #1251
r*SSians always become abusive when they're losing; and online, it's part of their playbook
Muahahahaha.
As opposed to you martyrs of freedom?
cms neuf
3 Mar 2023 #1252
Don't knock the BTR 50 - they are still in service in the armies of Congo and Algeria and until 15 years Bangladesh was using them.
jon357
3 Mar 2023 #1253
you martyrs of freedom
That's proved my point.
r*SSians are so predictable. As is the rasputitsa, literally bogging them down for a few months as Ukraine prepare to liberate Crimea,
Their production started in 1954 and ended around 1970.
They were even using WWII guns at one point. And even at full production capacity they can only replace a small fraction of the heavy arms they're losing. As for tanks, they can just forget it.
pawian
3 Mar 2023 #1254
as one of the most disastrous foreign policy mistakes committed by a government.
Don`t be silly. We are protected by powers which you, Russian aggressors, can`t comprehend or even imagine. All your nukes sent against Poland will fly back to Moscow and all over Russia. Some will strike Belarus. Ha!
Let's see what he has to say.
He has watched another Russian TV programme where propagandists again claimed that Poland would be attacked.
GefreiterKania
3 Mar 2023 #1255
Russian TV programme where propagandists again claimed that Poland would be attacked
This Solovyov is a seriously disturbed person. And I mean seriously. I can't decide if what he needs more is a psychiatrist or an exorcist. Probably both.
Bobko
3 Mar 2023 #1256
@GefreiterKania
Do not judge Russians by Solovyov, please - hahahahaha!
Do you want me to judge you by the standards of evil twin from hell Kaczynski?
GefreiterKania
3 Mar 2023 #1257
Lavrov laughed at in India (1:07-1:17)...
youtu.be/Fwofx9jNS6I
... maximum second-hand embarassment when watching this. Ridiculous...
Do not judge Russians by Solovyov
I'm not. Neither by Lavrov nor Dugin nor Putin. But what was the point of your post 1,243? You got me, and others, interested.
GefreiterKania
3 Mar 2023 #1258
the standards of evil twin from hell Kaczynski?
Evil twin from hell? Listen to him speaking to Russians...
youtu.be/wZ3EEZs39zE
... this is coming from a man who still thinks Russians killed his brother (and the speech was recorded one month after the crash).
Kashub1410
3 Mar 2023 #1259
@GefreiterKania
I wouldn't be that certain if I were you. I remember seeing an Estonian television series about young boys being drafted then running for the hills upon contact with Russian troops. I was confused as I expected them to fight, or at least shoot before running, like to do anything.
My Estonian work colleague looked strange and bewildered at me: "Huh? What do you mean? They were just kids!"
Polish history has taught me some differences, not only in cinematography of different countries but, also. The valour and preparation for combat and duty is taught and learned differently. Even Bobko being Russian, Slavic and understanding Polish might not comprehend the fear of a Polish child.
I will never forget a memorable scene from "Pogranicze w Ogniu" where an Austrian professor, representative of rationalism, civilisation and manners could not comprehend Poland, Poles and the need for romanticism in any way, while uttering this the Polish grandpa was listening to Polish music played by an mechanical instrument is in hand giving him a smile and joy.
In similar way, Bobko will most likely never know or understand what you mean @Gefreiter
Even if seeing it first hand could potentially gasp for air in shock and terror and need too much time to think through what he experienced. It's perhaps unexplainable
Bobko
3 Mar 2023 #1260
Listen to him speaking to Russians...
Ok, this was quite unexpected. I didn't see this before.