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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5



Kashub1410
31 Mar 2023  #2221

@GefreiterKania
Cause even in a cold war environment, a state needs infantry (military personnel on the ground) to perform actions of the government, secure resources, assert power, reassert power or influence/warn competing governments of it's possibilities.

Russia acts on every possible possibility when it can, there it thinks other countries do so as well. So when Poland has the possibility/opportunity to perform/do something according to them, Russian government thinks automatically that it has been done or is underway.

That's where all thinking and accusations of Poland partitioning Ukraine comes from, and people in Russia buys it easily due to this mindset. Which Poland can play on for a loooooong time to come

Bobko
31 Mar 2023  #2222

Russia acts on every possible possibility when it can

What the hell are you talking about? Are you sure you're not thinking of the Anglos? Russia is famous for giving away epic wins in epic fail deals (German reunification, Soviet collapse, Baltic and Polish NATO accession, etc).

The reason we think of ourselves as victims, is because we are. In part because of your Western mendacity, but largely because of our own retardation in the current generations.

Russia has only began acting somewhat independently in the last ten years. The twenty years before that was disaster.

Kashub1410
31 Mar 2023  #2223

@Bobko

(German reunification, Soviet collapse, Baltic and Polish NATO accession, etc).

All very costly admissions of defeat and weakness for economical support and trade, which the Soviet leadership was desperate after. Now being thrown to the garbage can due to invasion of Ukraine, to the western leaderships shock and disbelief.

If Russia as a whole see itself a victim, then that's after stumbling too hard upon a three whose branch fell on it's head, then blaming the tree for having branches. It's all emotional reaction, and you should know it perfectly well.

It was a necessary admission of defeat (similar to German leadership post-ww1)

Just that Russia has a chance to avoid mistakes of Germany post ww1 and prove itself better. So far it hasn't been impressive, we have yet to see what the best of Russia has to offer regarding this whole situation

mafketis
31 Mar 2023  #2224

only began acting somewhat independently in the last ten years

funny how that coincides with aggression against the peaceful nation of Ukraine....

there's an internal hollowness, an absence in russian identity, which has been retarded through centuries of misrule and cognitive dissonance

supposedly a great culture that hasn't actually produced any worthwhile culture in many, many decades (and where most creative geniuses were persecuted and many fled the country)

a "great power" where most live in grinding poverty and where most elite dream of locating their assets away from the government's sticky blood-stained fingers

a supposed defender of "traditional values" with shattered families and where every type of dysfunction flourishes

to escape their internal nothingness which horrifies and disgusts they turn to externalizing their self-hatred in wars of aggression against their neighbors

"So what if we live in garbage and that will never change no matter how rich and fat the leaders grow..." they think "everybody fears our power!" as they chuckle to themselves at pictures of dead Ukrainian children.....

Bratwurst Boy
31 Mar 2023  #2225

Russia is famous for giving away epic wins in epic fail deals (German reunification

We still adore Gorbi for that! cпасибо

For awhile Gorbatschow and his wife Raissa were like Germans "royals", heh:)

Germany's most beloved Russian

dw.com/en/mikhail-gorbachev-germanys-most-beloved-russian-has-died/a-62978372

Velund
31 Mar 2023  #2226

We still adore Gorbi for that! cпасибо

I hope next Gorbi will be exterminated well before he will be able to cause so much harm.

Bratwurst Boy
31 Mar 2023  #2227

Sorry that you see it that way, Gorbatschow did alot for the german-russian relationship...

World-hated leaders are not always a better choice!

Miloslaw
31 Mar 2023  #2228

@mafketis

A great post!
One of your best!

Velund
1 Apr 2023  #2229

peaceful nation of Ukraine....

Banderites was as peaceful to Russians as german nazis was peaceful to jews and gypsies...So, after bandera prayers got to power on a Maidan, current conflict was almost unavoidable.

The rest is your essay is complete crap, generated from badly digested western propaganda stamps.

Korvinus
1 Apr 2023  #2230

So, after bandera prayers got to power on a Maidan, current conflict was almost unavoidable.

Maidan happened in 2014. Zelensky became president in 2019. Between these two events numerous elections took place in Ukraine, in which pro-Russian candidates were allowed to participate. It's just the people did not want them to win any top position of power. I wonder, what could have been the reason for that?

While Crimean 'referendum' had no semblance of legality (happening under military occupation of hostile power), Ukrainian elections were legit and fair, indeed. Every candidate that fulfilled the criteria could participate and there was no tinkering with the voting and calculating the results. The process was conducted under control of international organizations, among them OSCE. The results were recognized not only by the West, but by Russia too.

mafketis
1 Apr 2023  #2231

Banderites

Bandera didn't kill nearly as many people of any ethnicity than did Stalin, a filthy pig still worshipped by russians.... so can it, Ivan.

The rest is your essay is complete crap,

Thank you!

Velund
1 Apr 2023  #2232

Bandera didn't kill nearly as many people

Even in very constrained condition, he managed to orchestrate slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Poles, Jews, Armenians, Czechs, Russians, Roma. Do you wish he had been given the conditions to turn around and slaughter half of Europe to make room for his coxsuckers?

If memory serves me correctly, there is a reminder inscribed on the monument to the dead from the hands of the Banderites, installed right on the Polish-Ukrainian border: "The people who lose their memory, lose their life". It's all about you.

Tacitus
1 Apr 2023  #2233

in epic fail deals (German reunification, Soviet collapse

And that right here is the flaw in your thinking (and likely in most Russian)

You consider the collapse of the SU a bad thing for the Russians when it was the opposite. The SU was a brutal dictatorship that opressed its' people (including Russians) and kept them in poverty in part because it used its' ressources to maintain its' colonial Empire in Eastern Europe. After getting rid of it, Russia could have demilitarized like the rest of Europe, and use the money it got from this and the extented trade to modernize itself and improve the lifes of its' people.

Instead of being angry at Gorbachev who simply looked at the books and realized that that it was over, you should be angry at the people who stole this opportunity from your country and have been dragging it down ever since. Namely Putin and his cronies and those who pulled the strings to make him president.

Btw. with hindsight it is pretty obvious that the worst deal was made by Stalin in Yalta. It gave the Soviet Union a short-lived Empire that was increasingly difficult to control at the expense of turning all the countries it liberated from the Nazis against them and thus forever tarnishing its' victory in WWII. That within 2 generations Russians became more hated in pretty much every country the Nazis invaded is nothing but an epic fail.

Korvinus
1 Apr 2023  #2234

It has currently been 80 days since the Ruskies have celebrated the fall of Soledar and claimed that Bakhmut will also rapidly fall.

Bakhmut is currently contested.

PolAmKrakow
1 Apr 2023  #2235

A whole lot more bull$hit rehashing past wars and crimes of other people. Meanwhile, little Vlads Putinazi coxuckers are still killing civilians in Ukraine. The positive news though is that even the Wagner group is running out of gas for the fight. Reports now coming out that the Wagners are having to fall back from some of their positions, just as new tanks are arriving in Ukraine.

Can you believe it? Bakhmut still stands. Putin has not made any major gains, and the coxuckers on PF still think they are winning. So much to look forward to with the spring counter offensive in the making, and more Orcs sent for meat processing. Carry on and happy gulag biatches!

cms neuf
1 Apr 2023  #2236

So Muscovy now talking about removing Gerasimov - ready for their 4th manager this season, just like Abramovitch at Chelsea LOl, with the difference being that he sometimes won a few trophies.

Another 2 months of sanctions, dead bodies and wasted ammo, just to move the drinks cabinet 2 kiloneters closer to Kiev.

PolAmKrakow
2 Apr 2023  #2237

In the past week 31 Leopard 2 tanks from Germany, Sweden and Portugal have arrived in Ukraine, as well 14 Challenger 2s from the UK. Estimates are still having Russia with a loss of 5 for each Ukraine soldier. Historically, Russia has not stopped fighting in any war until they lost a half million men. We are more than half way there by most estimates. Thats a lot of families destroyed for nothing. The stupidity of this invasion seems to get lost on some people.

mafketis
2 Apr 2023  #2238

a lot of families destroyed for nothing

destroying a lot for nothing.... it's the russian way.... loser culture that no one wants....

mafketis
2 Apr 2023  #2239

A couple of comparisons before and after the 'russian world' came to visit...

twitter.com/KremlinTrolls/status/1642457537663434752

As a commenter there says... what smoking does to lungs.... russia does to civilization

PolAmKrakow
2 Apr 2023  #2240

youtu.be/mNCEunmrXIQ

Beautiful footage of Orcs being processed. Just when little Vlad signs a decree for more conscription between May and July of another 150K Orc children. That is what the POS does for his country. Sends more to die. No gains made in Bakhmut in three weeks, and the counter offensive will being soon. Nothing like wasting lives for what again?

Bratwurst Boy
2 Apr 2023  #2241

That's tough stuff to watch...

twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1642434837784010756

Russian soldiers trying to get a Georgian volunteer soldier taken as prisoner of war to regain consciousness so they can have some more "fun" with him.

Absolutely vile people...


Why do they record that....and post it???

I hope he is dead already, then it's over for him...

Bobko
2 Apr 2023  #2242

Why do they record that....and post it???

Indeed, why would a soldier broadcast a war crime, live, to the world?

On many levels this if foolish:
1) If he is captured, he can expect to receive gruesome treatment from the Ukrainians
2) His idiotic actions make it much more dangerous for other Russian servicemen on the front, if they are made prisoners of war.
3) This tarnishes the tradition and reputation of a Russian soldier/officer.
4) It sends a signal to the enemy of weak discipline and control in our formations.

The above are some strong reasons not to record, and not to post such videos. So why would one do it anyway? Looking at the incredible record of brutality shown by the Mexican cartels and ISIS can be educative.

1) In normal, civilian society the government holds the monopoly on violence. The violence is present, but it need not be overly brutal, because most members of society understand that it is useless fighting the government, and sooner or later comply.

2) ISIS and the Cartels are not able to resort to court or police protection. Instead, they seek to protect themselves through instilling fear in their enemies. In practice, this usually leads to an ever expanding spiral of brutality, but occasionally it does provide a ceasefire.

3) War is a little bit like that world of criminals, in that there isn't any real mechanism to settle grievances with the other side by means of mediated talks (to the top echelon yes, but not for soldiers).

4) Wagner is a unique organization, and this violinist belongs to Wagner. These are the people that made the sledgehammer famous.

5) Volunteering for the war in Ukraine is already illegal in Georgia, and it's government goes to great lengths to prevent people from going. So it's no use to talk to the official Georgians. They are already doing all they can.

6) One of the few options that are left is to dissuade Georgians from traveling to Ukraine to kill Russians, by a policy of terror towards the mercenaries that are already in the field. Brutal, but arguably the most efficient approach.

Bratwurst Boy
2 Apr 2023  #2243

...the war in Georgia was another russian conflict the West totally ignored. I guess after Putins abdiction, one way or the other after the loss of the Ukraine disaster, the many independence movements will use their new chance.

4) Wagner is a unique organization, and this violinist belongs to Wagner.

One of the commentators wrote the violinist is a siberian Yakut (?), he can hear it and recognize his appereance...

Crnogorac3
2 Apr 2023  #2244

This is just one part of the "dual-use" military equipment and components that China has sent and is sending to Russia through third countries.

youtu.be/1bihMEXAEL8

mafketis
2 Apr 2023  #2245

dissuade Georgians from traveling to Ukraine to kill Russians

What first needs to happen is to dissuade russians from travelling to Ukraine to kill Ukrainians.... for a country with a lot of smart individuals... russians are incredibly slow learners at the collective level, even worse than Germans.

So, I repeat... Ukraine is not russia. Ukraine will not be russia. The longer russia continues its senseless aggression the worse the consequences will be for russians....

mafketis
2 Apr 2023  #2246

Wha'ts up here?

russian military blogger killed in an explosion in a cafe in Petrograd....

news.sky.com/story/russian-military-blogger-killed-and-six-injured-in-blast-at-st-petersburg-cafe-reports-12848536

Bobko
2 Apr 2023  #2247

@Bratwurst Boy
Yakuts can be Wagner too.

Bratwurst Boy
2 Apr 2023  #2248

.....I still wonder about the naming...Wagner....

mafketis
2 Apr 2023  #2249

russia had and has more nazis per capita than any other country east of Germany.... do the math....

in extra weird news.... the russian war blogger who got hisself blowed up was in a cafe owned by Prigozhin (chief ghoul in charge of Wagner) and apparently the murder weapon was a gift - a bust of putain filled with TNT!

such a feel good story!

Bobko
2 Apr 2023  #2250

Wagner....

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin

The call sign of its founder. Ukrainian born.


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