Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5

How do you know this?

Also, can you show me proof of our "state propaganda" condoning this, let alone "encouraging" it?

Bodies? The guy was alive. Those sickf*cks beheaded a wounded POW alive.

In any case, all the bullcr*p about brotherly nations, Slavic brotherhood, trying to avoid unnecessary casualties etc. can be put away on a fairy tale shelf now.

No. I'm a great enthusiast of the idea that "adversity doesn't shape character.... it reveals it". They're just revealing who they've always been in Ukraine....

If it makes you feel any better, there is a very high likelihood the perpetrators are dead themselves. Thus, the video being uploaded now, instead of last summer (the foliage is very green).

To reply to Paulina: I Googled for an official reaction of the Kremlin, and found one. Reads differently than how you describe it:

«Сначала нужно проверить достоверность этих ужасных кадров - безусловно, это ужасные кадры... Это, конечно, может стать поводом для того, чтобы проверить, так ли это или не так, имело ли это место. Если имело, то где и со стороны кого», - сказал Песков в ходе пресс-кола (цитата по «Коммерсанту»).

"First, you need to check the authenticity of these terrible scenes - of course, these are terrible scenes ... This, of course, should be an occasion to check whether this is true or not, whether this took place. If it did, then where and from whom," Peskov said during a press call (quote from Kommersant).

$50 it's Wagner that did this. If so, then their usual strategy for dealing with such artists is to send them in a frontal assault as part of a Sturm-company. If you survive, your sins are washed away. If not, oh well...

Are you serious?? Since destroying Mariupol, atrocities in Bucha, Irpin, etc. RuSSia and Putinists on PF live in constant denial + telling/repeating lies and RuSSian propaganda.

As far as I remember soldiers from RuSSian units who were in Bucha, Irpin, etc. were given medals and after short rest were sent to the East of Ukraine. No investigation, no nothing. They sent suspect war criminals to do their thing in another part of Ukraine. Are you OK with this??

What about those RuSSian soldiers that were filmed shooting two civillians in the back and then looting their business?:

bbc.com/news/world-europe-61425025

Their faces were filmed by cameras. Was there any investigation by RuSSian authorities that we don't know about?

What about those RuSSian soldiers who castrated an Ukrainian POW? They f*cking filmed it, so there's evidence. Was there any investigation by RuSSian authorities that we don't know about?

What about those RuSSian soldiers sending tied up civillians tumbling down a hill like they're rag dolls into a ditch in the ground filled with dead people in civillian clothes. One of the men escorting the soon to be dead man is wearing a RuSSian uniform. There's video - there's evidence. Was there any investigation conducted by RuSSian authorities that we don't know about?

I am aware of one arrest done by RuSSian authorities - of a RuSSian soldier who filmed himself sexually abusing a baby. His unit was apparently operating in Ukraine, but whether that abuse happened in Ukraine wasn't certain. I don't know what happened later with him. Was he sentenced? Where did the sexual abuse happen - in RuSSia or in Ukraine? Do you know about any follow up to this story?


We've been posting and commenting about the crap they say on RuSSian state TV and RT almost since the beginning of this invasion. Where have you been Bobko???

Here you have the latest (I even put it in bold):


That's the first time I see no total denial from the official RuSSian side (and the article I've found now is just from 3 hours ago). So, is there going to be an investigation? Because it's hard to tell from what he's saying here:

bfm.ru/news/523128

They don't. It's the noodles and the wall method.

You can bet your ass there will be an investigation. One thing we love in Russia, is paperwork. Question is, will anything be publicized?

I suspect that's where the problem is. If you are America, you can have the NYTimes and WSJ write about your crimes, and then the magic of transparency and democracy makes all things well again.

What can Russia do? The nature of the information war is so deafening, at this point, that no one can hear the other side. What would Russian authorities do? Send their published report to CNN and those same NYTimes? Host a press conference, and invite Agence France Presse and Deutsche Welle? You don't believe anything we say, even before we open our mouth.

So there will be some quiet investigation, perhaps a closed military tribunal (if the dogs are still alive), and then silence. Paulina will be able to carry on hating Russians.

I recently read and posted a link to an article by Nowjeta Gazeta (?) about the stalling offensive of the russian army and the why's...it seems to be a still quite independent news outlet....

@Bobko
This was not Wagner. They are denying it and I believe them because the whole sledge hammer killing they admitted to. This is a couple of sick fvcks killing people. Two videos of beheadings, clearly one is last summer and the other recent.

Crimea did not have the water cut off until it was in Russian control. Things used to be great there until the Russians came. I was there a few summers ago, and things changed a lot since my first visit about 5 years earlier. Russia has ruined Crimea, not the Ukrainian people or government.

I said a long time ago in thread 1 on this subject that Ukraine would do the same tortures to Russians as payback. Ugly and sh!tty but payback is payback. Anyone involved on either side should be hung with a piano wire.

Their license was revoked last September, after they spent the first six months of the war sh!tting on everything.

Now they publish from some European base.

Z promises response to the video that surfaced of beheaded Ukranian soldiers.

No sh1t, Sherlock.


The right thing. Investigate, punish the perpetrators if found and publicize it, so it would be an example for RuSSians of what RuSSian soldiers or mercenaries shouldn't be doing in Ukraine (or in Syria and anywhere else). Name them and shame them. Call it a war crime and condemn it. Show everyone and their grandmother that such things won't be tolerated by RuSSian government, RuSSian army, RuSSian state media, RuSSian society.


No, based on how RuSSia behaved so far, I can't. And how do you know there will be one? Did the noodles that you threw at the wall tell you that? lol

I know you Russia shills hate to admit it but Ukraine is winning this war. Surovikin's terror bombing campaign failed. Putin's winter offensive failed. Now it's Ukraine's time for some ork-smashing.

So, the purpose of war that Russia started is to weaken Russia? War is a zero sum game. Weakening Russia is helping Ukraine.

Back to my favorite subject...Is there any evidence is that the 2014 referendum was manipulated?
It's been over 9 years and it's a safe bet that the Western scum has done everything possible to prove that it was. So where is it?

@Bratwurst Boy

I don't support these measures - but it's Putin - what can you do? He used to have a lot of people around him, that would tell him it's not wise to close newspapers, regardless of how annoying they can be. People like Kudrin, Gref, Nabiullina, Dvorkovich, etc. Now they're all classed as "nerds", and told to focus on keeping the economy afloat, while keeping their nose out of politics.

The reality is that the Russian liberal opposition is toothless, weak, and rotten to the core. They should be allowed to publish and tape whatever they want, since almost nobody reads them anyway. Shutting them down in such public fashion makes martyrs out of them, and causes new waves of naive people to flock to them.

Truly, you have to be mentally ill to continue to insist that the West is only doing what's best for us. I say this as a person that previously donated to liberal parties in Russia that were opposed to Putin.

....now probably replaced by yes-men and bootlickers! The first step towards the downfall for every dictator....


Think about it Bobko....would it had been good for me to be born into a victorious Third Reich?

I had enough of the GDR as it was, actually.....

Ah, so you are taking care of me by confiscating $400 billion of Russian taxpayer money, and daily sending trainloads of weapons and ammunition that kill my countrymen? When you threaten me that I will live like a North Korean, that too is motherly concern?

YES, THANK YOU! EXACTLY! This is what we have free, independent media for! AND THIS IS WHY PUTIN SILENCED THEM IN RUSSIA! :D


It's been a year since the RuSSia's full scale invasion of Ukraine started, Bobko. Plenty of time to at least start investigating what happened in Bucha, Irpin, etc.


That's far more than anything RuSSia did. One of the American soldiers torturing prisoners in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq got 10 years in prison.


Yes, because even if it's happening (and we have no way of telling if it is happening or not - it may be just your wishful thinking, I'm afraid), it's sweeping war crimes under the rug. No normal person should be in favour of this. Are you?

The public has the right to know what their soldiers are doing to other people and whether they get punished for that, whether the sentence is severe enough, etc. Doesn't the RuSSian society care what their sons, husbands, fathers and brothers, what their compatriots are doing in Ukraine? Don't you care?

to kill invaders! your country invaded another country! get! that! through! your! thick! russian! skull!

Ukraine is not now nor has it ever been russia or russian.

If you invade another country don't expect to win popularity contests.


by this point I just don't care what happens to russians... I want any russian that goes to Ukraine to hurt people to die. if russians in russia end up impoverished and eating dirt.... I don't care.

we clear?

you are not a nice guy. you are an apologist for genocide and war crimes and if you had a shred of decency you'd at least be quiet, your every word betrays you

Let it be so.

I forgot to add one important thing that prevents a person from cutting off heads:

1) NOT BEING SHOT AT DAILY

@Bobko
If russians hadn't invaded they wouldn't be shot at.... how is this so hard to understand? What is wrong with you that you don't get that?

Well, shouldn't they chop off their rulers/officers heads instead? After all they are responsible for it. They attack, not defend.

@maf, great post (#2,515), I couldn't put it better myself. 👏


Then when you realise that those people who shouldn't be there are committing atrocities, you should punish them for that and make sure they won't be sent there again to commit more atrocities.

So, do you care, Bobko, what your soldiers are doing in Ukraine or not? Because I can't really figure it out of your post. For now it seems to me that you don't really care.

And what about RuSSian society? Do they care?


4) not dehumanizing your enemies (by, for example, calling them "Nazis", "satanists", etc.),
5) not feeding soldiers with propaganda lies - about the enemy beheading their brothers in arms, about the enemy killing their own civillians on purpose, etc.

6) not encouraging genocide on state TV,
etc. etc.


Hmm, what a load of bullsh1t. Plenty of soldiers have been shot at daily on all kinds of battlefields in history and somehow majority of them weren't cutting living POWs' heads with a freaking knife.

Western "democracies" have all that and still managed to cause deaths in the millions and thousands of miles away.

...I doubt even Germans did cut heads off....at least I never heard of it...that isn't a matter of democracy or not!

"Democracies" prefer bombing. It kills, destroys evidence, and gives plausible oops-type deniability. A trifecta...

Definitely! A politic thing from far away, where humans are not more than numbers on a map....free after Clausewitz: "War is the continuation of politics by other means"

But there is hardly something more personal than cutting a man's head off with your own hands...that's disturbing, and another kind of war with another kind of means!

Apart from being a barbarous act, it is galactically stupid in terms of the war they are fighting. I mean, how likely is a Ukrainian soldier, still holding his rifle, to surrender if he knows that such thing might happen to him after he's taken prisoner? It's not like Russians need any more fanatical and tough defence than that which Ukrainians are already putting up.

In this war, both sides, in almost all videos - call each other "pidors", or "faggots". Truly a brotherly war. Then the Westerners say we are not made of the same cloth.