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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5



Bratwurst Boy
12 Apr 2023  #2521

....these "civil wars" are always the worst, aren't they!

Maybe because you know each other to well....

Bratwurst Boy
12 Apr 2023  #2522

I mention this to blunt the holy indignation here against men in Ukraine.

Okay...buuuuut.....these wome knew their victim even intimately....and they had a motive, they stood something/alot to gain....the soldier who decided to get out his knife and starting to saw on a living beings neck did neither!

Novichok
12 Apr 2023  #2523

From CNN:

Zelensky and associates stole at least $400 million of Western aid - Seymour Hersh
Corruption in Ukraine may be on par with what was seen in Afghanistan, the investigative journalist claimed


Zelensky and his entourage embezzled at least $400 million from US funds meant for diesel procurement last year, Hersh stated in a new article on Substack, citing a CIA estimate.

I am so shocked...

Paulina
12 Apr 2023  #2524

@Novichok, I'd rather got killed by a bomb than have my head slowly severed from my body with a knife while I was still alive...

"Democracies" prefer bombing.

RuSSia doesn't seem to mind it either. Democracies, however, don't bomb people they call their "brothers". Why RuSSia is killing their own brothers and sisters, Novichok?

There is hardly something more personal than cutting a man's head off with your own hands...that's disturbing

Yes, you're right. I remember watching a documentary about a shocking crime - a man killed his female relative and chopped her body into pieces. I remember some psychological profile expert working on that case saying that someone who is capable of cutting another human being's body into pieces is very disturbed. And that woman was dead already when he was doing that, so just imagine how f*cked up that soldier is... And he's probably still out there somewhere...

....these "civil wars" are always the worst, aren't they!

And you're right again... Ethnic hate results in stuff like genocide in Rwanda, the Volhynia massacres, the Srebrenica massacre, etc. I remember reading that the media in Rwanda was instigating the hate and the genocide. That's why I think that what RuSSian state media and their officials are doing is very dangerous and we've already seen the results.

PolAmKrakow
12 Apr 2023  #2525

@Novichok
What about Putin and the oligarchs the last 30 years? Lets talk about their theft. Fvcking double standard bull$hit.

Bratwurst Boy
12 Apr 2023  #2526

Ethnic hate results in stuff like genocide

Agreed!

And if there weren't already ethnic differences between Ukrainians and Russians there surely will be...this war will see to it.

Paulina
12 Apr 2023  #2527

Seymour Hersh

Oh dear, him again... Let me guess - his revelations are coming from one source again?

From CNN:

Link?

Novichok
12 Apr 2023  #2528

Even the staunchest Putin supporters wouldn't expect this...From Newsweek (not RT):

Putin's Popularity Reaches Record High in the U.S.-Poll
The Kremlin leader's popularity among Americans, as of the first quarter of 2023, stands at 21 percent, according to pollster YouGov. In the first quarter of 2021, Putin's popularity hovered at 15 percent, and shortly after Russia began the war with Ukraine, it was registered at 17 percent.


If he speeds things up in Ukraine, he should run for president in 2024, get elected, and clean this damn mess up.

Lets talk about their theft.

I don't give a fu*ck what they steal. Z and his comrades steal my damn money.

Novichok
12 Apr 2023  #2529

And if there weren't already ethnic differences between Ukrainians and Russians

The so-called Civil War had 620,000 casualties. Same language, same history, same traditions...didn't matter...

mafketis
12 Apr 2023  #2530

utin's Popularity Reaches Record High in the U.S

RT did a good job of psychologically manipulating needy and angry right wingers.... mostly though lies about 'traditonal christian values' in russia which don't exist (see std and abortion statistics among others)

There's also an epidemic of fatherlessness in russia just like which US minority?

Paulina
12 Apr 2023  #2531

Z and his comrades steal my damn money.

So claims Seymour Hersh. He also claimed that the raid in which Osama bin Laden was killed was staged and that the US blew up Nord Stream, usually citing only one source, as far as I remember, and giving no evidence to support his claims.

Novichok, so where's that link to CNN article that you claim you quoted?

Novichok
12 Apr 2023  #2532

RT did a good job of psychologically manipulating needy and angry right wingers....

Let me try again:

newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-popularity-us-record-high-poll-1793000

The Kremlin leader's popularity among Americans, as of the first quarter of 2023, stands at 21 percent, according to pollster YouGov. In the first quarter of 2021, Putin's popularity hovered at 15 percent, and shortly after Russia began the war with Ukraine, it was registered at 17 percent.

I am good for three more times.

Korvinus
12 Apr 2023  #2533

I forgot to add one important thing that prevents a person from cutting off heads:

Is it morally right for Russian soldiers to execute POWs by beheading or not?

Paulina
12 Apr 2023  #2534

Apart from being a barbarous act, it is galactically stupid in terms of the war they are fighting.

I doubt that a murderous psycho is thinking about such things, tbh...

Let me try again:

You didn't understand what maf wrote. He didn't claim that it wasn't posted by Newsweek. It was his comment on where Putin's "popularity" in the US is coming from.

Now, where's my CNN link, Novichok? :)

Bratwurst Boy
12 Apr 2023  #2535

Now look what I found....

Americans' Favorable Rating of Russia Sinks to New Low of 9%

news.gallup.com/poll/471872/americans-favorable-rating-russia-sinks-new-low.aspx

from March 13, 2023

I wonder what happened in the last month....or who was asked....surely Gallup asks different people than YouGov...

68% in U.S. view Ukraine favorably, highest by one point


PolAmKrakow
12 Apr 2023  #2536

So I found another poll;

conducted by the PAK.com/putinazicoxuckers.littlevladgayworshipers That poll conducted in my flat with three people participating concluded, that all Putin supporters were in fact putinazi coxuckers, and that Crimea should become a protectorate territory of Guatemala. In the alternative, all putinazi coxuckers actually located in Crimea should be immediately relocated to Brighton Beach or Sheepshead Bay. If failing to relocate they should be immediately beheaded with a butter knife. Happy gulag mother fvckers.

Crnogorac3
12 Apr 2023  #2537

Wagner liberated Metalurg stadium at Bahmut πŸ‘

twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1645854636576845824

Bakhmut is flooding with dead bodies of ukrop soldiers, here is @MuradGazdiev with fresh ukrop bodies still smoking from the fights.

twitter.com/MapsUkraine/status/1644742750347165696

As for the beheading tape, it's doubtful that the video looks like it's early summer, but now it's just the beginning of spring.

Maybe it's fake news, recorded sometime before.

Maybe it's not even from this war.

Novichok
12 Apr 2023  #2538

Maybe it's not even from this war.

It's AI.

As a favor to the families of Western idiots who are drooling to die for Ukrainian "democracy", a video with a Western idiot having his throat slashed would be highly appreciated.

Novichok
12 Apr 2023  #2539

From news.gallup.com/poll/469328/one-year-later-americans-stand-ukraine.aspx

One Year Later, Americans Still Stand by Ukraine

I never studied English but even I know what "stand by" means. It's a feeling. An emotion, not an affirmative activity like, say, taking a shower or a dump.

It most certainly does not mean send me the invoice or a ticket. Zero risk, zero cost virtue signaling.

Crnogorac3
12 Apr 2023  #2540

Intel Slava Z
πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦βš‘Zelensky and his entourage illegally embezzled at least $400 million from funds transferred to Ukraine for the purchase of diesel - journalist Seymour Hersh

what else can be expected from a jew? Bernie Madoff anyone?

Intel Slava Z
πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡² Trump called the leaders of Russia, China and North Korea the smartest people

Former US President Donald Trump in an interview on Fox News called Russian President Vladimir Putin, Chinese President Xi Jinping and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un the smartest people. And the American "guys", in his words, "are not like that and never have been."

The American ex-president noted the extraordinary mind of Kim Jong-un and his complete control over his country. He called Chinese President Xi Jinping "brilliant." "As for Putin, he is also very smart," he concluded.


Intel Slava Z
πŸ‡·πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦βš‘οΈAll administrative buildings in Artemovsk are under the control of Russian units - Pushilin .

Battle in Ternopil: brave Ukrainian women recaptured a man from the military commissars who tried to throw him to the slaughterhouse


t.me/intelslava/46809

Paulina
12 Apr 2023  #2541

@Novichok, why would anyone use AI for this? It looks like the face of the soldier who is doing the beheading is completely covered:

polanddaily24.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/ftf8d-pwcaegozi-485x360.jpeg

As for the beheading tape, it's doubtful that the video looks like it's early summer, but now it's just the beginning of spring.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11964189/Kyiv-compares-Russia-ISIS-sickening-video-Putins-soldiers-beheading-Ukrainian-POW.html

"The footage, which appears to have been filmed earlier in the war last year"

Maybe it's fake news, recorded sometime before.

How do you "fake" cutting off the head of a living human being and then holding up his cut off head to the camera?

Maybe it's not even from this war.

A quote from Daily Mail article:

"shows a masked man violently sawing at the neck of a prisoner wearing Ukrainian insignia who is trapped beneath him on the ground."

The video posted online is blurred, but there are screenshots:

twitter.com/albafella1/status/1645890418482073605?s=20

Bobko
12 Apr 2023  #2542

An exiled Russian human rights activist (founder of gulagu.net), claims that he has identified the people in the beheading video, and that they are Wagner fighters. He managed this by sending the footage to Andrei Medvedev, a former Wagner company commander who is sitting in a Norwegian deportation jail at the moment. Medvedev claimed to recognize the radio call signs and voices heard in the footage.

What a funny guy, this Medvedev fellow. Somehow crossed into Norway across swamps and 2 meter deep snow banks, only to be detained and potentially sent back to Russia. Not the hero's welcome he expected, surely.

Paulina
12 Apr 2023  #2543

a video with a Western idiot having his throat slashed would be highly appreciated.

You are one sick f*ck.

claims that he has identified the people in the beheading video

Link?

Somehow crossed into Norway across swamps and 2 meter deep snow banks

According to Wikipedia "Gulagu.net helped Andrey Medvedev flee Russia to seek asylum in Norway".

Korvinus
12 Apr 2023  #2544

the people in the beheading video, and that they are Wagner fighters

Was it morally right in your eyes? Answer.

Yes/No

It's depressing and telling how the Russians itt won't condemn the beheading. They deny it, celebrate it or shrug their shoulders. A BEHEADING of a prisoner.

Russia is just ISIS at this point.

Paulina
12 Apr 2023  #2545

Link?

This is what I found on my own for now:

meduza.io/en/news/2023/04/12/escaped-wagner-group-fighter-confident-troops-beheading-ukrainian-pow-in-recently-surfaced-video-are-wagner-group-mercenaries

"Osechkin says Medvedev "definitely recognizes his colleagues, Wagner Group troops, based on their nicknames, the way they talk, and their manner when talking over the radio."

Osechkin also reminded the audience of the footage that emerged in 2017, showing the violent execution of a Syrian POW by Wagner Group mercenaries and sharing a number of features with the new video.

The activist promised a 3,000-euro reward for information leading to conclusive identification of the combatants in the video."

It looks like a good starting point for an investigation... But it would have to be conducted by RuSSian authorities, because only they have access to and power over Wagner Group.

"based on their nicknames" - I wonder if that means he knew them personally or that their nicknames are somehow characteristic for Wagner Group?

Novichok
12 Apr 2023  #2546

Russia is just ISIS at this point.

...as opposed to dropping a cluster bomb or shooting depleted uranium ammo? How about napalm...slowly burning you alive...
Actually, these Western methods are worse because they were official and normal. Beheading, if it ever happened, is not an official Russian policy.

Bobko
12 Apr 2023  #2547

depressing and telling how the Russians itt won't condemn the beheading

I think in the last several posts I must have condemned it 3 or 4 times. Not enough?

Now because two idiots cut someone's head off, we hang our heads in shame, call off the war, and all go home? Life is not a fairy tale.

Novichok
12 Apr 2023  #2548

Now because two idiots cut someone's head off,

Normalizing statistical anomalies is demagogues' favorite debating technique. That's why they hate numbers.

Paulina
12 Apr 2023  #2549

dropping a cluster bomb or shooting depleted uranium ammo? How about napalm...

That's in the past, the US isn't doing that anymore. Could we focus on the present in this thread?

Now because two idiots cut someone's head off, we hang our heads in shame, call off the war, and all go home?

"Idiots" - you put it rather lightly. Those are sadistic psychopaths, not just "idiots".

And RuSSian soldiers did much more for the last year in Ukraine than that. None of which was investigated and punished by RuSSian authorities. How about you do at least that?

Bobko
12 Apr 2023  #2550

based on their nicknames

Their "nicknames" are radio call signs, or sort of "nom de guerres". For some reason, they are very popular with both Russians and Ukrainians. Everyone has a name, and inevitably it's something "cool".

It's not like in the US where each battalion can only have an Alpha, Bravo, Charlie and Tango subgroup. We have colorful names, like "Motorola detachment", "Wildling company", "Greyhound's platoon", etc.

It makes sh!t impossible to memorize, and then ironically easier for the enemy to know who's who.


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