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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5



Novichok
15 Apr 2023  #2701

.....frankly nobody cared about Ukrainians before Putin decided to invade..

Putin decided to invade when one sunny day he looked at two maps: NATO in 1989 and NATO in 2022, and said oh, fu*ck. Guys, we got a problem...

Bratwurst Boy
15 Apr 2023  #2702

....or Dementia!

Bobko
15 Apr 2023  #2703

@Velund

Russia in general is "The Great Integrator". Look at how miserably the British and French managed their Muslims. Consider, then, how Russia dealt with its own Muslims. The proportion of Muslims in our population is much greater, and was even more so in the past, and we had none of the problems already evident in the West at much lower rates. They also don't butcher each other like the Indians and Pakistanis, or the Burmese with their minorities.

Russia succeeded in creating a sense of Russianness just as much as the US did at Americanness, and I would argue did better than the British and the French.

Always makes me happy to see a Chukcha or Evenk (our Eskimos and Inuits), with a name like Grigoriy Romanovich. Being Russian is a state of the soul.

Velund
15 Apr 2023  #2704

There seems to be another reason why the war will not stop soon...

Now the SBU and SKE (Służba Kontrwywiadu Wojskowego) Polish military counterintelligence are making frantic efforts to hush up the scandal that arose a few days ago on the Ukrainian-Polish border. During another exchange of dead Poles, one of the containers with the body of a Polish mercenary was accidentally damaged, and when it was replaced, it was found that in addition to the remains of a Pole, it also contained a large amount of drugs - more than 30 kilograms, packed in sealed bags. During the inspection of two other containers, one of which contained the body of a Briton, drugs were also found in them. It became clear that there was a well-established pattern of drug trafficking from Ukraine to Poland and from there to Europe. The funeral parlor that transports the bodies of mercenaries is a transportation "hub" through which drugs are shipped to "affiliates" throughout Europe. There, the dead content is separated from the goods and goods goes to the local markets.

The key question is the origin of the drugs. Are they produced in laboratories in Ukraine, or do they arrive there with shipments of weapons from U.S. bases and warehouses and are repackaged there and sent with the corpses of mercenaries across Europe. The scheme is reliable because the containers with the bodies do not undergo special inspection and are moved at high speed by special transport vehicles. Now Ukraine and Poland are doing everything to hush up this scandal and not to allow it to enter the public space.

Lenka
15 Apr 2023  #2705

one sunny day he looked at two maps: NATO in 1989 and NATO in 2022,

That's why he did something that made more countries join and the old ones working closer together... Makes sense

Novichok
15 Apr 2023  #2706

....or Dementia!

Since you missed my point, let me try again...

Putin decided to invade because NATO got too close for comfort - just as the US decided to invade Iraq because of... I forget what it was...

Is this better?

Bobko
15 Apr 2023  #2707

@Lenka

Snitches get stitches.

Novichok
15 Apr 2023  #2708

Now Ukraine and Poland are doing everything to hush up this scandal and not to allow it to enter the public space.

That entrepreneurial Polish spirit...Never let a dead body go to waste...I am so proud.

Bratwurst Boy
15 Apr 2023  #2709

Is this better?

Well....searching for a rational, logical motive is one thing....but look at the consequences!!!!

As Lenka and her grandmom told you already, this whole invasion is diametrical against Russias best interests....it weakens Russia and strenghtens NATO and the West!

If you don't want Putin call so STOOOOPID because we have known him differently in earlier times a sickness of the brain is not that far fetched....right?

Novichok
15 Apr 2023  #2710

.it weakens Russia and strenghtens NATO and the West!

Then you should support Putin's invasion and give him the Friend of NATO award. Fu*ck Ukrainians as disposable useful idiots.
The sad part of my post is that it's partially true. You are a smart man, BB, so I don't have to tell you which part.

Bratwurst Boy
15 Apr 2023  #2711

and give him the Friend of NATO award. Fu*ck Ukrainians as disposable useful idiots.

....in a roundabout way you are even right....poor Ukrainians!

mafketis
15 Apr 2023  #2712

Russia purchased modern Estonia and half of Latvia

so... slavery?

Why doesn't russia have any state solutions that aren't hundreds of years old? Mongols left a long time ago, time to catch up to the rest of the world.....

strenghtens NATO and the West!

No Estonia and Finland can cut off St Pete any time NATO wants.... so much for russian strategic intelligence.... the Baltic is a NATO pond and there ain't nothin' the russians can do but pretend they don't care.... sad, pathetic, broken country....

mafketis
15 Apr 2023  #2713

how Russia dealt with its own Muslims

yes... consider....

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1647168482323189761

GefreiterKania
15 Apr 2023  #2714

give him the Friend of NATO award

Yes, he should actually get one. :) Finland is already a member - unthinkable before February 2022 - Sweden will be a member soon, and a lot of NATO countries, including Poland, are strengthening their armies like crazy (something they were rather reluctant to do before the invasion).

Novichok
15 Apr 2023  #2715

Finland is already a member - unthinkable before February 2022

And the loser is...drum roll...the US!!!!! Finland will contribute as much as Monte Carlo could but it sure can drag the US into a nightmare that would make Vietnam look like a Sunday picnic.

On the plus side, I feel so much safer now that Finland is part of the snake...Thank you, Finland, you made my dreams come true...

mafketis
15 Apr 2023  #2716

I feel so much safer now that Finland is part of the snake...

So do Finns.

But it also sort of blows NATO as a reason for invasion out of the water.... Finland has a very long border with russia and got rich once it got rid of russian influence and now it's NATO, baby!

NATO rules! russia drools....

GefreiterKania
15 Apr 2023  #2717

Finland will contribute as much as Monte Carlo could

You know very little about Finns apparently. They're tough and their army is well equipped.

Novichok
15 Apr 2023  #2718

So do Finns.

All welfare bums feel good. So does Poland.

They're tough and their army is well equipped.

Then they don't need the US to protect them. Between brave Poland and two nuclear powers, you can do it all by yourself.

All you have to do is find an enemy.

Alien
15 Apr 2023  #2719

They're tough

Oh yes, They are, Simo Häyhä himself shot 500 russians 1939/40.

Novichok
15 Apr 2023  #2720

One more time...
1. Why do you need the US?
2. Does THAT make me any safer if China attacks the US?

GefreiterKania
15 Apr 2023  #2721

1. Why do you need the US?

It is, first and foremost, the USA that needs a global alliance like NATO to remain a global superpower. Otherwise, dollar wouldn't be an international reserve currency anymore and without it most of the US would look like Detroit. It's not like you're an industrial superpower (not anymore), your work ethics is so amazing (there are many countries better in this respect) or your citizens are so super smart - your position in the world depends on your ability to print sh*tloads of dollars and the entire world to accept this paper not as toilet rolls but as hard currency. It's not backed up in gold but in America being a global superpower (i.e. NATO). The stronger the NATO is the stronger the American position is in the world.

2. Does THAT make me any safer if China attacks the US?

China is never going to attack the US militarily (that would be suicide) but they might (and have all the means to) try to turn dollar into a toilet paper. They won't do it, however, as long as most of the European Union (an economic powerhouse) belongs also to NATO, and would oppose any such action from China, which (NATO) brings us back to point 1. See, it's all a communicating vessels system and it was figured out by people smarter than either you or your bald war criminal idol. Tough sh*t.

Novichok
15 Apr 2023  #2722

China is never going to attack the US militarily

...but Russia will attack Europe to sell oil to itself? Are you, Poles, paranoid or just stupid?

My vote is for stupid. You are so stupid that you can't see the irony in your own position in this matter. Now, pay attention so I will not have to say it again...

If the invasion makes Russia weaker and NATO stronger, you should be cheering for Russia's invasion instead of being against it.

At least the US, while making a ton of money from it, is logical about it and doing its damnest to keep that bs going for at least 20 years, if not forever, while treating Ukraine and Ukrainians as just the means and tools. Since many will die, I respectfully will not call them useful idiots now.

See my brilliant point or not yet...

Tacitus
15 Apr 2023  #2723

unthinkable before February 2022

I think there are few better ways of showing how bad the decision to invade Ukraine was than to point out how the situation would most likely look like today if Putin had accepted the deals offered to him by Biden, Scholz and Macron.

Ukraine membership in NATO would be off the table, and without war there would be little sympathy for Ukraine's EU membership as well. NATO would not have expanded in Scandinavia and might still suffer from an identity crisis and reel from the defeat in Afghanistan. Russia would still be trading with the gas, making hundreds of bns down the line and could still influence Western politics through its' proxies in various countries. Its' army and military reputation would still be intact.

Instead it is now stuck in a costly war with uncertain outcome that will it in a worse geopolitical situation no matter the outcome.

Novichok
15 Apr 2023  #2724

Conclusion: You should love that invasion.

GefreiterKania
15 Apr 2023  #2725

but Russia will attack Europe?

They are ruled by an unpredictable madman who dreams of restoring the USSR so f*ck knows what they will or will not do; we have to be prepared for every scenario.

If the invasion makes Russia weaker and NATO stronger, you should be cheering for Russia's invasion instead of being against it.

You really don't get it, do you? NATO becoming stronger is only a side effect of this invasion. I am against it not because banderopithecs and sovietopithecs are killing each other. I shall not cry my eyes out over this fact. I am against it because it ruined the perfect plan of Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok and the EU becoming the most powerful empire in the history of the universe. Everything was going so smoothly before the cleptomaniac bald KGB c*nt decided that he wants to be Peter the Great. KURWA! *%&$%#! :-/

See my brilliant point or not yet...

It's been a long time since I read a brilliant point from you and - as far as I can remember - it was about women, abortion or LGBT (you are absolutely spot on on these matters) not about this war.

Novichok
15 Apr 2023  #2726

I am against it because it ruined the perfect plan of Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok

So the EU swallowing Russia is OK but Russia swallowing the EU is not OK?
Would you at least ask Russians how they feel about your dream?

the EU becoming the most powerful empire in the history of the universe.

Now I am beginning to like what DC is doing...Blow up the pipe, ruin the EU economy, make them buy expensive American energy, and the EU weaker. Wow! I am finally impressed with my own ruling mob.

GefreiterKania
15 Apr 2023  #2727

So the EU swallowing Russia is OK

It's not about the EU swallowing Russia but about Russia being our faithful vassal. As a huge Russophile I would never take their freedom away from the Russians (only limit it slightly for their own good).

Would you at least ask Russians how they feel about your dream?

No, I wouldn't. They are way too irrelevant - with their population lower than that of Bangladesh and GDP per capita lower than Panama's - to be asked about anything. You see, life is not a fairy tale, sometimes you have to do what's good for the world in general without asking irrelevant people about their worthless opinions. *rolls eyes*

Wow! I am finally impressed with my own ruling mob.

See? I told you that America always does what's good for America, remember?

Anyway, gotta catch some z's. Thinking about Putin ruining the perfect plan of EU ruling the world exhausted me emotionally. :-/

Good night.

Tacitus
15 Apr 2023  #2728

You should love that invasion.

Why? Leaving aside the suffering inflicted on the innocent Ukrainians, we in Europe are also going to be poorer because of it. It is preferable to Russia winning in Ukraine and remaining a threat, but far from what could have been if we could have kept trading with Russia and kept our military spending down.

Miloslaw
15 Apr 2023  #2729

we could have kept trading with Russia and kept our military spending down.

You sound more like a surrender monkey Frenchman than a German.
Shame on you.

Tacitus
15 Apr 2023  #2730

Why? A peaceful Russia and trade partner would have been in everybodies interest.

Sadly that was Putin's plan.


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