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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5



mafketis
17 Apr 2023  #2791

we need to grow Russia to 300-400M people within a century or so

Killing off a lot of your young male breeding stock seems like a very dumb way of trying to achieve that....

ussian greatness

is a myth used by the thieves in charge to keep the serfs from revolting agains them.... and it works! So... they won't stop!

GefreiterKania
17 Apr 2023  #2792

depending on what method of return to greatness is used

1. Very unlikely. Why would they all come to Russia if they can choose the EU, UK, America, Canada or Australia? 300 million emigrants choosing Russia as their dream destination? Not gonna happen.

2. Hmm... this one is most likely in my opinion. Who knows.

3. Almost impossible. China is, at the end of the day, a careful, calculating and introvert civilization.

May I reword it as "soft power"?

Yes, a very good point. Hollywood, American Dream, muscle cars, McDonalds, NBA etc. etc. American Dream might already, to some extent, be a thing of the past but legends die hard.

Novichok
17 Apr 2023  #2793

so that we can witness a Russian revival

1. Make abortions illegal.
2. Make English mandatory from K on.
3. Restore the death penalty.
4. Invite border states to a peace conference.

More to come...

GefreiterKania
17 Apr 2023  #2794

@Novi

All the four points sound perfectly sensible.

More to come...

Yes, please. :)

Novichok
17 Apr 2023  #2795

5. Move hostile embassies 500 miles east of Novosibirsk.
6, If they resist, close them.

Bobko
17 Apr 2023  #2796

300 million emigrants choosing Russia as their dream destination? Not gonna happen.

You do realize that Russia was for the longest time the number 2 emigration destination in the world, after the United States, until Crimea?

Since then flows have reduced, but still hundreds of thousands come annually, leading to a potentially explosive domestic political situation.

Many millions of people want to live in Russia. But we force them to learn Russian, and do all sorts of other tests.

Novichok
17 Apr 2023  #2797

If the US had any brains, it would support Russia in Ukraine and copy Russia in turning the world's worst sh*ithole, Mexico, into a civilized country by sending 500,000-men army to kill every narc on sight.

When done, the US should copy Israel and its wall - machine guns and all...No asylum crap, no "visitors", and no pregnant women with US citizens inside...

Thank you Russia for showing the way...

GefreiterKania
17 Apr 2023  #2798

I shall steal the first four points from Novi, and then...

5. Clamp down on corruption like crazy.
6. End the war in Ukraine - it's nonsensical at this point,
and concentrate on peaceful development.
6'. Send Putin and his mafia to the tribunal and let them rot in jail.
7. Restore friendly relations with the EU (difficult one).
8. Promote family values and traditional Christian morality.
9. Invest heavily in education and technology.
10. Open culture and language centers all over the world.
11. Try to become the focal point for the Panslavic movement again
(after this f*cking war it will be almost impossible but try).
12. Use your oil and gas money to create some soft power - even
if it's painful use it to buy support. It works (ask the Germans).
13. ... over to you, Novi.

the number 2 emigration destination

How many people emigrated to Russia back then? Nothing remotely close to what you aim at. And how many do you think will be willing to do so now? You had GDP per capita lower than Costa Rica before this war (I don't even want to think what it will be after it). You know what attracts immigrants - wealth.

still hundreds of thousands come annually

...and hundreds of thousands of Russians leave. How is that going to improve things?

learn Russian

That's a huge obstacle to mass immigration to Russia. It's not the easiest language in the world, is it?

cms neuf
17 Apr 2023  #2799

5. Free tin of sprats for anyone of breeding age
6. Extra vouchers for scratchy toilet paper every Easter
7. Gloomy novels read out on public radio every Thursday lunchtime

Bobko
17 Apr 2023  #2800

11. Try to become the focal point for the Panslavic movement again

Yes!

This is why I have made myself understand Ukrainian and Polish. Now Czechs and others are in the pipeline.

The more I learn about us, the more I recognize that while we may share some certain differences amongst ourselves, we are much more similar to each other than to any place in the West.

Paulina
17 Apr 2023  #2801

Ukraine is engaged in a life and death struggle as the "shield of Europe" and "bastion of democracy", it is still more important to protect the re-election chances of PiS and Fidesz.

That's PiS for you. Holding on to power is their main priority. It reminds me of Putin...

What you call dumping, is profitable to Ukrainians that are otherwise liable to see their year's harvest rot in storage.

As far as I understand one of the main reasons (besides helping Ukraine, of course) why Poland offered to help with the transit of Ukrainian grain was to prevent hunger in Africa, etc., because that's where that cheap grain was supposed to go, not to Poland.

It will not be sacrificed for Ukraine. Sorry.

I agree, but PiS f*cked up, as usual, and went overboard - at the moment they're holding up all kinds of agricultural produce from Ukraine, including those intended for other countries, like the US, for example:

money.pl/gospodarka/totalna-panika-na-granicy-to-jest-absurd-niszczenie-dzialalnosci-gospodarczej-6888307691068320a.html

Transit to other countries should be allowed. What on Earth are they doing??

mafketis
17 Apr 2023  #2802

Try to become the focal point for the Panslavic movement again

Oh god no, there is no need for any kind of 'panslavic' anything, anymore than there's a need for a 'pangermanic' or 'panlatinate' movement...

PiS f*cked up, as usual

That says it all really, when they're not bunglers, they're corrupt and when they're not corrupt, they're bunglers....

And of course not getting the grain to Africa will just make those economies worse which will increase migration to.... guess where? but PiS and it's supporters are too stupid to see several steps into the future...

cms neuf
17 Apr 2023  #2803

We have more in common with democratic, catholic, friendly Portuguese or Irish than we have with with Muscovite drunk rapists

Novichok
17 Apr 2023  #2804

13. ... over to you, Novi.

13. Nuke Brussels.

mafketis
17 Apr 2023  #2805

As usual russia supporters dream of killing people by the millions.... nazis....

Miloslaw
17 Apr 2023  #2806

Oh god no, there is no need for any kind of 'panslavic'

That stupid idea that was promoted by posters like Crow died many,many years ago......there are Slavs and then there are Russians.....except for some cultural links, there is no brotherhood there.

Crnogorac3
18 Apr 2023  #2807

t.me/hotptakes/6874

If Ukrainians who are staying in Poland stay here for a few years, would it be good or bad for Poland. March 2023

Green: good
Red: bad
Grey: I don't know

Left women, right men. Broken down into age groups

The only demographic in Poland that says Ukrainians staying here would be bad for Poland are women between ages of 18 and 39


t.me/hotptakes/6875

😄

From the poll results we can conclude that:

Ukrainian women are dangerous 😁

and competition 😄

cms neuf
18 Apr 2023  #2808

So Putin claiming to visit Kherson

How long before this is revealed as a fake, all of the bystanders are identified as his security detail and the footage geolocated to somewhere thousands of km inside Muscovy ?

I think it should be done by lunchtime

mafketis
18 Apr 2023  #2809

Intesting take.... many are puzzled at the many atrocities committed by the russian army in Ukraine, a country they supposedly were there to 'liberate'....

The reason? They planned to blame it all on Ukrainians....

twitter.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1648123602716246019

Kashub1410
18 Apr 2023  #2810

@mafketis
You really surprised? You honestly think that the most brutal and terrible attrocities near the end of the war by Nationalist groups and "Bandits" "reactionary forces" in ww2 didn't have a single NKVD connection or initiated conflicts between partisant groups in Central/Eastern Europe? Especially post ww2? -.-

Bratwurst Boy
18 Apr 2023  #2811

Russians come to Germany....mainly young men!

"....Accordingly, there was a significant increase in the age group of 19 to 30-year-old men and women from Russia. In the first three months of this year, the proportion of men among the asylum seekers was also higher than last year: in 2022, 59 percent of the applicants from Russia were male. According to the report, from January to the end of March 2023 it was 64 percent...."

spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/deutschland-zahl-der-asylantraege-aus-russland-nimmt-rasant-zu-a-395825e9-da25-4a5a-99c0-6a04d5031070

Hopefully they will get along with the Ukrainians here....

Interesting development....Germany, Prussia, especially Berlin, has always been a centerpoint for russian exiles since the revolution....

mafketis
18 Apr 2023  #2812

Russians come to Germany..

Just what Germany needs.... more permanent residents who won't assimilate to German culture and who will carry around giant chips on their shoulders.... If there's a country with worse immigration policy I can't imagine where it is.... why do Germans put up with it again?

Bratwurst Boy
18 Apr 2023  #2813

....till the EU doesn't build up borders everybody and his grandmom is free to come....

Novichok
18 Apr 2023  #2814

Russians come to Germany....mainly young men!

Russia is a strange tyranny where a citizen can just up and leave. Those that choose to stay can commit any crime without the fear of being executed. Truly tyrannical...

Speaking of crimes...

I missed the exact point where Putin became a war criminal because a Russian soldier would take a homeless, hungry, cold, and wet orphan to a place where that 10-year-old is safe, has her own bed, is dry, warm, well-fed, and safe - something that every Amerian would do without the fear of being executed or spending the rest of his life in a military prison.

Can somebody help me with this or did you, mindless Russia-hating idiots, get bored with the subject?

BTW, I keep cominng back to this subject because Germans "kidnapped" me when I was 2 and, by that act, saved my life.

Bratwurst Boy
18 Apr 2023  #2815

Truly tyrannical...

Na ja....just today this Kara-Murza guy was jailed for 25 years....and for what? Just opposing the Ukraine war....what would you call that if not tyrannical?

theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/17/moscow-jails-vladimir-kara-murza-for-25-years-for-opposing-ukraine-war

The GDR was like that too...it did not end well, for the GDR that is!

Tacitus
18 Apr 2023  #2816

imprisoned thousands of Japs

And how many sane people still think that was justified today?

because a Russian soldier would take a homeless, hungry, cold

Because that is not what happened, stupid ;)

Just read the indictment and the evidence behind the very real, tragic stories instead of making stuff up.

johnny reb
18 Apr 2023  #2817

I rather thought back to the Vietnam war, where Washington did nothing against demonstrations

Tell that to the parents whose kids got shot and killed by the U.S. Government while protesting the Vietnam war while they were attending Kent State University going to college.

Bratwurst Boy
18 Apr 2023  #2818

Yeah...that happened too!

But that was not that iconic like the Hippie burning his draft notice...these images survived in the global memory till today, no Hippie saw a need to flee to Berlin (to close the circle to my first posting)....

johnny reb
18 Apr 2023  #2819

no Hippie saw a need to flee to Berlin (

Not when they could come to Michigan to Sugar Island and walk across the border into Canada and I know a whole lot of them that did it to avoid going to Vietnam.

They were the smart ones, the other ones were the dead ones.

I guess you had to live thru it like I did first hand to know what really went on in that era, B.B.

Bratwurst Boy
18 Apr 2023  #2820

Agreed!

My opinion was mainly build by school-brainwashing and forbidden West-TV....

But still....the US didn't jail somebody for 25 years just for being in opposition, right?


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