Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5

Hey, idiot, did that Russian soldier in Post 2814 commit a war crime? Yes or no? No essays.

Here it is as a reminder:

I missed the exact point where Putin became a war criminal because a Russian soldier would take a homeless, hungry, cold, and wet orphan to a place where that 10-year-old is safe, has her own bed, is dry, warm, well-fed, and safe - ...

If your answer is No, describe a case that is a war crime and makes Putin a war criminal. No emotional girlie crap, adjectives, or Polish poetry.

@Novichok
It is at the exact point in time where the child says no. Then it becomes a criminal act when the taking person has no legal authority over a child. Please give us all a break with this bull$hit argument.

I can't remember my hippie days very well for some reason but I think you got five years prison sentence if you refused induction into the military.

...and dies an hour later. Then, my legal genius with a Walmart law degree, you would be going down for criminal child neglect just as you would if you didn't take a bleeding child to the nearest ER because she or he said no. As a juror, the fact that you are not the child's legal guardian would mean sh*it to me. As a human being, it's your moral obligation to protect that child.

Contrary to the idiots here, Russians are human beings.

Is everybody here retarded?

Who killed the orphan's parents?

@Novichok
you cannot be charged with neglect if you have no legal authority. Stop trying to make $hit up as you go along. They kidnapped children without permission and tried to re-educate them. They committed crimes that in some US States would result in life sentences. So, my friend with the KMart engineering degree, note that they are out of business too while Walmart is making billions, leave the legal discussions to those that actually understand what they are talking about. Go take a nap and then come back after a little TV time.

You can't be charged with kidnapping for taking a bleeding child to the nearest hospital, either, or a homeless one to the shelter.
Where reason prevails, the Good Samaritan laws protect those who would do just that.
Look up the legal definition of kidnapping if you didn't take that course.


Whose permission, genius? Her dead parents'? Did you ever take your kid to a dentist? Did she say by all means, I am happy?

I do not need to describe anything, there are countless articles about this topic.

atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/child-abductions-reveal-the-genocidal-intent-behind-putins-ukraine-invasion/

Case in point:

"Article II of the 1948 United Nations Genocide Convention identifies five acts that qualify as genocide. The fifth act, forcibly transferring the children of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group to another group, concisely and accurately describes Russia's actions in Ukraine. Kremlin officials have attempted to disguise the abductions as a routine wartime security measure, but Moscow's well-documented efforts to "re-educate" young Ukrainians and turn them into Russians tells a very different story."

@Tacitus

I would describe your position as:

A) International legal statutes provide enough for us to be able to state this is a crime.

... and Novichok's position as:

B) What would happen to those kids otherwise?

I suppose the only logical answer that might flow out of your end, is that Russia should never have invaded in the first place. However, what to do if the war is already happening, and children are at risk?

You guys are talking past each other in parallel lanes.

Unless these kids are orphans, I'm sure Russia will do its utmost to reconnect them with their parents once the situation allows. I don't think that's what the Germans were doing with Polish kids.

For example send them to a country that is NOT taking part in the war? Work with the Ukrainian gov to find a suitable solution? Ask Red Cross etc for assistance?


I'm not.

very true


rethink your choices.... by the time you think the most rational and ethical choice is "let's give these kids whose parents we killed a home!" you're not the good guys....

this is why russia is despised.... low rent, trashy country with trashy values.... honestly....

@Lenka

Look how America keeps Latin American children in detention at the border. They dump them in cages, and give them little aluminum blankets to cover themselves with.

We don't put kids in cages. They are staying with Russian host families, at summer camps, and at children's sanatoriums. They are eating normal food, and surrounded by caring adults. Unless it's a family of some kind of nationalistic autists, no Russian would treat a Ukrainian child differently to his own.

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they supported killing the child's parents.... so that's pretty crappy....

I heard the main point of the criticism is similiar to what the Germans did to the polish kids....if they were deemed aryan enough they got re-educated to Germans, forced to forget about their polish heritage....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_children_by_Nazi_Germany

Or will the russian foster families take care of the ukrainian heritage of these kids?

Doesnt matter if they are orphans. Russia has no legal right to take those children.


Considering the women in charge of this crime (the one who also is wanted by Den Haag along with Putin) openly said on television that they want to Russify the children, I kinda doubt that.

@Novichok
Reading lots of interviews with children and living parents where the children were kidnapped. Get a clue a$$hole before you spout off. Legal definition of kidnapping is exactly what Russians have done. Exactly why children are being returned to Ukraine now in order to mitigate the criminal charges the Russian cun+ will face and what Putin will have to negotiate.

Sure they did. The kids needed help and Ukrainians were not here to render it.
The Germans that took me to safety when I was 2 didn't have a "legal right", either. I am glad they didn't consult with you on this matter.

I see no reason to romanticize this relationship. We know what is said on Russian television about Ukraine, and there are plenty of stories of Ukrainians with Russian relatives who despaired due to the latters ignorance and malice after the invasion started.

Case in point:

theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/18/ukraine-russia-families-divided-over-war


You seem to celebrate your own ignorance. If you bothered to look there are plenty of cases in which Ukrainian children were in no danger yet abducted by Russian soldiers from their home.

Is it the best you've got? Look what US is doing?


How about any of the solution I mentioned? Or simply organising with Ukraine handing them over?

Did Russia at least send Ukraine a list so the relative could find them?

You have to say one thing for russians.... they dream big.... russian state tv talks about winning a nuclear war with the US and ruling the world....

twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1648323163841806339

Well, it seems they were more pointing out the lack of thought in that idiot. Kind of like great, you won the war and what will you do now moron?

@Bobko
If Ukraine children were crossing into Russia ilegally then yes, like the US Russia would be entitled to hold them until they can be sent back to their residence. This is not the case with Russia though, they are kidnapping children. Criminal kidnapping and they should be sent to prison for it. Simple. What happened to all the law abiding republicans and right wingers who would be going bat $hit crazy if this were happening to US kids? No double standard here though. WTF

Of course not:

And even in case of children who lost both of their parents - they may still have grandparents, aunts and uncles - they should be reconnected with their family.


And that's supposed to be a comforting thought? lol

Given that according to Ukraine's own statistical agencies, in excess of 51% of Ukrainians have relatives living in Russia - there must be a massive amount of evidence for this?

In my family, I have 4 direct relatives, and perhaps 15-20 more if you cast the net wider - that live in Ukraine. My cousin, that Paulina seems to remember, lives in Nikolayev, Ukraine, with his mom and dad. His dad's brother, also my uncle, has lived since the 1990s in St. Petersburg. His wife parents are from Klin, which is outside Moscow - though he met her in Nikolayev. My great grandmother, is from Zaporozhye.

You don't understand what this war is.

My family is far from unique.

Imagine if Missouri and Indian decided to declare themselves a separate cpu

Np, imagine they were separate but you suddenly decided you don't like that

Bobko.....could it be that YOU are a russified Ukrainian?

....and if so, would that change your perspective? Your opinion? Your allegiance?

What I have been trying to explain to you for the better part of two years, is that the differences are nominal.

Of course we have experts here on "Muscovy", "Rus", and "Ukrainianess" - but all of them seem to be second generation Americans or born and bred Brits.

In parts of the Far East and Siberia, "Ukrainians", constitute the majority of the population. Thank you Uncle Stalin.

There are far more differences between a Ukrainian from Lviv and one from Donetsk, than there are differences between a Ukrainian from Kiev and a Russian from Moscow. That's the simplest way I can put it.

Most of the people here don't.
Russian troops are once again engaging in ruthless tactics to kill civilians in Ukraine via PFM-1 high explosive mines that they are dropping around towns.

They are targeting Ukranian civilians by dropping banned "Butterfly Mines" onto towns to do so.
I would like to see the Ukrainians collect about a 1000 of these things and place them around St. Petersburg for a tit for tat.

It looks like they're big enough for you to kill each other.

These sweet dreams of yours probably relate to the past which has passed. The war has changed everything. Ukrainians from Kiev view Russians from Moscow as the deadliest enemies of the Ukrainian nation. Quite correctly. Don`t you think?

Down with imperial Russia and all Russians who support it. Ha!