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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5



Tacitus
20 Apr 2023  #2941

keep banging about Warsaw Pact

I mostly referred to the HRE and AH. Poland and the HRE were very, very distinct from each other during most of its time (like all neighbours they influenced each other to some degree). A view that is reflected on contemporaries maps and other sources.

Latin civilisation

Should we consider all countries that were influenced by Latin traditions and law in some way as latin? That would include most, if not all of Europe.

Everyone, back to the topic of the thread please

Tacitus
20 Apr 2023  #2942

Get a grip people, learn some history

That is what I encourage you to do as well. Your view on the HRE is lacking, that much is certain.

Well, back to topic.

US, Ukraine Allies Consider Near-Total Ban on Exports to Russia

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-04-20/us-ukraine-allies-consider-export-ban-for-russia-over-putin-s-war-in-ukraine?srnd=premium-uk&leadSource=uverify%20wall

Will be interesting to see if that goes through. Quite a lot of European countries (which includes Poland buying gas from Russia over some hurdles) may still be reluctant to fully cut Russia off. It may be more effective to better prevent Russia from receiving imports from the West via Third countries. Quite a few countries in close proximity to Russia have majorly increased their Western imports since February 2022 for some obviously suspicious reason.

Crnogorac3
20 Apr 2023  #2943

(I'm looking at you, Serbia!)

youtu.be/knv_nLcrGtI

As President Slobodan Milošević said in his final speech, before he was overthrown by a Western funded coup - a "revolution" similar to Euromaidan in Ukraine and sent to the Hague tribunal, NATO does not bring peace & security, but what it guarantees is permanent conflict.

The reason countries like Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary rushed to join NATO is they were afraid that the Americans would prepare for them a similar scenario what they have already done to Yugoslavia. They falsely believed that they had reached safety, but that delusion is fast disappearing beginning with millions of migrants pouring in from the Middle East and Africa whose countries NATO helped to destroy as well as the refugees from Ukraine.

Paulina
20 Apr 2023  #2944

The reason countries like Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary rushed to join NATO is they were afraid that the Americans would prepare for them a similar scenario what they have already done to Yugoslavia.

Your ignorance blows my mind, seriously...

kaboom

;D

Miloslaw
20 Apr 2023  #2945

Your ignorance blows my mind, seriously...

Mine too......but hey, he is just a pro Russian troll.

johnny reb
21 Apr 2023  #2946

Is it true that a Russian woman has been fined 40,000 roubles for 'discrediting the Russian military' after calling Zelensky a 'handsome young man' ?

Kashub1410
21 Apr 2023  #2947

@Paulina
He just spinned my view on Hungary and included Poland and Czech Rep... Which is indeed ignorant when it comes to NATO relations reasons for joining NATO

mafketis
21 Apr 2023  #2948

russia finally attacks an enemy that it can totally defeat!

I know I've been critical of russia in the past, but I totally support this new military campaign!

mobile.twitter.com/KremlinTrolls/status/1649277139005349889

Korvinus
21 Apr 2023  #2949

Slobodan Milošević said in his final speech

If you don't know what the West does with comic-book villains, ask Milošević, Saddam and Gaddafi.

cms neuf
21 Apr 2023  #2950

Yes JR - this poor lady got fined for opening her mouth.

But she was spying for NATO and anyway Muhammed Ali was banned from boxing because he opposed Vietnam in 1967.

Bratwurst Boy
21 Apr 2023  #2951

That war truly stimulates the integration of NATO members....

Pistorius announces establishment of tank repair center in Poland

spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/ukraine-krieg-boris-pistorius-kuendigt-einrichtung-von-panzer-reparaturzentrum-in-polen-an-a-37fe635b-5f8d-49bc-91ce-c11300d93d2a

Leopard 2 tanks are to be repaired on the Polish-Ukrainian border in the future. According to Federal Defense Minister Pistorius, the repair center should start work at the end of May. ...

Bratwurst Boy
21 Apr 2023  #2952

Ooops.....I guess that wasn't what Putin wanted....or???

"All NATO members have agreed to Ukraine's accession"

spiegel.de/ausland/russland-ukraine-krieg-alle-nato-mitglieder-haben-laut-jens-stoltenberg-ukraine-beitritt-zugestimmt-a-6ae88707-dcbb-4dc4-ad12-5bdcbd28471a

Ukraine should join NATO - Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has repeatedly confirmed this. Volodymyr Zelenskyj has been invited as a guest at the next summit meeting in Lithuania - and he has accepted. ....

...if it's true a historic development! Still....I can't see that happening anytime soon....Ukraine is in a hot war and has a border conflict with its neighbour, usually NoGo's for any wannabe-new-member!

Paulina
21 Apr 2023  #2953

"All NATO members have agreed to Ukraine's accession"

Really? In which alternative universe? lol:

bbc.com/news/world-europe-65350589

wiadomosci.wp.pl/miejsce-ukrainy-jest-w-nato-orban-skomentowal-jednym-slowem-6889803960187456a

Ukraine should join NATO - Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has repeatedly confirmed this.

I agree, but for now it seems to be highly unlikely.

Alien
21 Apr 2023  #2954

Ukraine should join NATO -

Not during the war.

Paulina
21 Apr 2023  #2955

@Alien, obviously... But the BBC title is "Ukraine in Nato: Orban casts doubt on long-term membership plan."

Alien
21 Apr 2023  #2956

@Paulina
Currently they will not join the EU or NATO.

cms neuf
22 Apr 2023  #2957

Horrible, sad tales of what happens when Wagner murderers return home to their small towns, with PTSD on top of their already violent nature

theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/22/alcohol-and-prostitutes-wagner-convicts-pardoned-by-putin-return-to-terrorise-home-towns

pawian
22 Apr 2023  #2958

Yes, I heard that the Russian Avangard hypersonic modules And the Satan missiles

Yes, Soviet Russians were lucky to capture Nazi German engineers and scientists who had developed V1 and V2 rockets. That is why you were able to develop those Satan missiles. If not for those Germans, you would be still experimenting with kites carrying grenades. :):):):)

However, it is the only thing you can brag about. When will we hear about Russian-made toilets, fridges and washing machines so that Russian soldiers don`t have to steal them in Ukraine????

mafketis
23 Apr 2023  #2959

Signs of how well russia is doing....

university students in Moscow get mobilization notices....

twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1649806843756130313

stupid fvkkres couldn't be arsed to protest when it could have made a difference.... so.... I don't care what happens to them... himars o'clock guys....

russian textbooks will start downplaying the role of Kyiv.... (previously built up as the first russian city....

twitter.com/KramarenkoMari3/status/1648751695520845825

this link has examples, and fans of russian media might want to rethink how much they believe RT and other russian 'sources'....

lavrov whining about russians not getting visas to go to the UN.... cope harder horse face!

GefreiterKania
24 Apr 2023  #2960

That does it...

thetimes.co.uk/article/wagner-group-mercenaries-admit-killing-40-children-in-bakhmut-0903w6zx7

... f*ck Russia, f*ck Russian mir, Slavic brotherhood and all this cr*p. I've had enough. I'm through with this sh*t.

Velund
24 Apr 2023  #2961

That does it...

Former Wagner fighter Uldarov claimed blackmail and coercion for an interview by Gulagu.net

Azamat Uldarov, a former soldier of the Wagner PMC, in an interview with RT, said that he had been blackmailed and coerced by the Gulagu.net project into a fake interview allegedly about the "atrocities" of the Russian military.

According to him, the founder of the project, Vladimir Osechkin, blackmailed him and several other people into giving out the necessary information under dictation.

Uldarov explained that Osechkin had a video recording of his abuse in a tuberculosis hospital and threatened to post the footage online.

The ex-Wagner said that the situation with the Gulagu.net investigation would be handled by the PMC security service. Another interviewee, Alexey Savichev, said that he received money for the fake information, the amount he did not disclose.

PS: As soon as Osechkin found out about Uldarov's contact with the press, he posted a video in which Uldarov is raped....


GefreiterKania
24 Apr 2023  #2962

fake interview allegedly about the "atrocities" of the Russian military

Again?

Sorry but there's just too many of those "fake", "alleged" and "supposed" atrocities, victims and eyewitnesses. Too many.

Was the 2-year-old toddler murdered by deliberate shelling of residential buildings in Sloviansk fake too? Were the videos, posted by child rapist soldier Bychkov, fake? Were all the mass graves found on retaken Ukrainian lands fake as well? Was the beheading of the wounded POW fake? Are Ukrainian refugees in Poland liars and their stories of rapes and murders fake? I could go on... but there's no point. I've f*cking had it... :-/

Velund
24 Apr 2023  #2963

As soon as PMC "Wagner" completely liberates Artyomovsk (Bakhmut), the Armed Forces of Ukraine will launch a spring counteroffensive, said the head of PMC "Wagner" Prigozhin

"Our task is to grind the Ukrainian army, not to give them the opportunity to assemble in a counteroffensive. We are doing this more than successfully. As soon as Bakhmut is taken, Zelensky will need the greatest victory. And for this he will launch the very counteroffensive. Today, no one bothers us to enter the operational space, because the situation around Bakhmut within a radius of 10 km will not change after its capture. It will be exactly the same. The operational space right up to Warsaw is already fully open," Prigozhin said.


johnny reb
24 Apr 2023  #2964

The Ukrainian military is preparing for its upcoming large-scale offensive, training men and pilling weapon systems.
Russia, get ready for a very hard punch in the gut.
Meanwhile, the Russian military continues to lose men and weapon systems on the ground.
The situation remains a war of attrition.
I am just waiting for Putin to change the rules of engagement in his desperation.

cms neuf
24 Apr 2023  #2965

Thanks Velund, for the news from Bakhmut. Though I can't help thinking you would be more useful driving (or possibly mending) a tank there , than trolling a few Poles.

So the news is that as soon as Muscovy conquers a small but stubborn market town then the road to Warsaw is open and the troops will set off just as soon as they finish this bottle of homemade spirit. I hope they remember some spare parts and the GPS and to fill the tanks up with gas this time. Doubtful though - it's never easy to organize blind drunk rapists and it will be even more difficult doing to in the face of superior tank fire.

Bratwurst Boy
24 Apr 2023  #2966

"You haven't seen that before!"

Huge tank columns shock Russians

BILD with video

bild.de/video/clip/politik/bild-lagezentrum-countdown-fuer-massive-ukraine-gegenoffensive-laeuft-83583168.bild.html

In Ukraine, preparations have begun for the planned massive counter-offensive to liberate the east and south of the country from the Russian occupiers. Soldiers trained in Germany and weapons from Germany will play a decisive role, as new videos show. ....

@Torqi
...the same here!

Bobko
24 Apr 2023  #2967

In Ukraine, preparations have begun

Russian armed forces:
Bean

PolAmKrakow
24 Apr 2023  #2968

@GefreiterKania

google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2F9gag.com%2Fgag%2FaAgyogo&psig=AOvVaw3VWCPn3DQGtWihaHpHDgAa&ust=1682445657631000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CBEQjRxqFwoTCODZudSMw_4CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAJ

The Russian army on leave.

pawian
24 Apr 2023  #2969

Soldiers trained in Germany and weapons from Germany

So many of all of them that they will reach Moscow within one week. :):):)

said the head of PMC "Wagner" Prigozhin

BS,. He had told a few major lies before, like the one that his convict troops had finally taken Bakhmut.

Miloslaw
24 Apr 2023  #2970

Russia has already lost this war.
Putin claimed that NATO was a threat to Russia.
It was only a threat in the fact that it would defend its members.
So what has happened since his invasion of Ukraine?
Finland has joined NATO, Sweden is about to join and Ukraine is on the cards now too!
When the war in Ukraine ends they will join NATO.
That means an end of Russian aggression against Ukraine.
Because even Putin is not crazy enough to start WW3.......


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