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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6



Novichok
1 Aug 2023  #2191

Poland is moving faster than any other country in Europe

That's nice.
How will Estonia stay safe from evil Russia?

cms neuf
2 Aug 2023  #2192

That's where you are now ? Bullying Estonia ? Nice.

It's a war that Udmurtia might actually win, though it would take a few years and a lot of farm boys would be limping around Omsk for a few decade

mafketis
2 Aug 2023  #2193

Estonia ? Nice.
It's a war that Udmurtia might actually win, though

I wouldn't be so surprised, their Finnic brothers to the north in Suomi might want to get involved (Suomi, now in NATO--- yay NATO!!!!!!)

mafketis
2 Aug 2023  #2194

Interesting.....

If you spend a lot of time on twitter looking at accounts that monitor things in russia.... there's been an uptick lately in citizen attacks on military recruitment offices lately, three or four in different places in the last two days or so.....

here are a couple...

twitter.com/EPICGOPFAIL/status/1686379276692774912

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1686101656310587392

Aslo in occupied Crimea

twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1685707606235418626

Velund
2 Aug 2023  #2195

an uptick lately in citizen attacks on military recruitment offices lately

At least two later cases is "mentally unstable" elder people, acting under guidance and supervision of ukrainian "phone terrorists".

So, relax. I understand that you wish to make "far reaching" conclusions, but.....

jon357
2 Aug 2023  #2196

there's been an uptick lately in citizen attacks on military recruitment offices lately,

It looks like Homo Sovieticus (or some of them anyway) have seen through russist fantasy and are finally doing the right thing.

Good news about the r*SSian retreat today. Of course in their nihilistic way, they're destroying grain intended for Africa during a growing famine. They will pay the price for that.

mafketis
2 Aug 2023  #2197

have seen through russist fantasy

Don't know if I'd go that far but the speed with which the post was rationalized away makes me think it's more significant than I'd originally thought...

Velund
2 Aug 2023  #2198

grain intended for Africa

Of the previous shipments, only about 3% made it to needy African countries. Most of the rest was eaten by European chickens and pigs ... So there will be no impact on Africa, just Europeans will eat less meat.

Ironside
2 Aug 2023  #2199

only about 3% made it to needy African countries.

Is there even hunger crisis in Africa? I think those are fake news.

just Europeans will eat less meat.

We don't need that stuff at all. REally. Plenty to eat and our own too!

johnny reb
2 Aug 2023  #2200

... there's been an uptick lately in citizen attacks on military recruitment offices

This is what happened to help end the Vietnam war in the U.S.
People wanted to be heard but were being ignored by L.B.J. so they started burning recruitment offices, their draft cards and the women burned their bra's.

That got the governments attention.
More and more of the russian bootlickers are starting to see the light.
NONE of the Senators or Congressmen's children were ever drafted into the military during Vietnam.
I see the same thing playing out in Russia.
How many of Putin's children have seen combat in Ukraine ?
After 270,000 russian soldier (sons) being killed or wound in Putin's ego trip, the russian people have had enough.
Like I said six months ago, Ukraine needs to start attacking russian territory to get the russian bootlickers attention and it seems to be working.

Now that the russian people are starting to feel the fear of being blown up with the same dish being served to them.
This is why the military recruitment offices are starting to get burned down.
The russian people have had enough and want this war to end despite the propaganda "Moscow Rose" keeps repeating here daily.
Putin is a dead man walking.

jon357
2 Aug 2023  #2201

Of the previous shipments, only about 3% made it to needy African countries

That's not your business and nor of course is Ukraine. The less grain shipped from producers, the less there is to go round; what load goes to what end user is by the by.

The fact is that r*SSia is wilfully destroying grain intended for export. And they'll be made to pay for that.

Great news about the orcs retreating. They shouldn't have poked the Ukrainian bear.

Velund
2 Aug 2023  #2202

We don't need that stuff at all. REally. Plenty to eat and our own too!

This was the reason why Polish and Hungarian farmers protested against the import of Ukrainian grain sold on the European market at dumping prices.

Starving Africans received a purely symbolic amount of these grain shipments. But chicken, pork and alcohol from Ukrainian feed grain is cheaper than from any other grain.

That's not your business

This is our business, indeed. "Grain deal" had two sides, and obligations to unblock export of russian grain and fertilizers was not fulfilled. So, now ukrainian grain export will be stopped, until Russia get EVERYTHING that was promised, and not a second earlier.

BTW: Putin offered grain shipments to really needy African countries for free, including freight.

mafketis
2 Aug 2023  #2203

"mentally unstable" elder people

Is this guy another one?

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1686758850748194817

Novichok
2 Aug 2023  #2204

So, now ukrainian grain export will be stopped, until Russia get EVERYTHING that was promised, and not a second earlier.

Bravo! Big stick is what they understand best.

Bobko
2 Aug 2023  #2205

Doesn't leave a nice feeling in the mouth, to be hammering grain elevators and port cranes with cruise missiles. However, agree with Velund, it was time to show the Ukrainians that two can play their dirty games.

Economically it also makes sense. The West provides aid to Ukraine in a more or less 50/50 proportion of military/financial aid. The financial aid is just as crucial as the military aid to keeping Ukraine on its feet. They have a gaping monthly budget deficit, which the EU effectively closes for them. A good portion of the many billions they spend of their own money, is money earned on tariffs and taxes applied to grain exports for which Ukraine is a global powerhouse. Rapeseed, sunflower oil, and corn can also be added to this list.

Without this money, Ukraine will have to go to their Western partners for additional handouts. In the process, they will also probably learn to hate Poles.

cms neuf
2 Aug 2023  #2206

I think they might learn to hate Udmurtians too - given that they bomb their schools, steal their fridges, defecate in their gardens and harass their wives and daughters.

Velund
2 Aug 2023  #2207

The Ukrainian economy (and Ukraine in general) has nothing to do with your country.

BTW, (North) Korean economy also nothing to do with your country. But sanctions, sanctions, sanctions...

So, you can undersnand that marine blockade of ukraine is also form of sanctions.... And ukraine itself in process of debanderization/denazification that will not be stopped until there is no more anyone who marches with Bandera insignia and shouted "moskals to the knives" on the streets... I suspect that current stage will end at polish border.

Velund
2 Aug 2023  #2208

visceral hate towards the West

Looks like the cup is full finally... ;)

Crnogorac3
2 Aug 2023  #2209

This is that Western democracy, human rights, civilization, the right to a free trial, freedom of speech, and so on... 🤔

US-Chilean journalist describes torture in Ukrainian prison

rt.com/news/580645-gonzalo-lira-ukraine-torture/

PolAmKrakow
2 Aug 2023  #2210

I know all you Putinazi coxuckers have missed your daily doses of reality. How about twenty military recruiting offices going up in smoke in Russia in the last 48 hours? Or maybe the slow, but steady regaining of territory once held by the orc anal rapists? How about the hundreds of thousands dead and disfigured Russian boys? For what? Nothing. Crimea being bombed out now. No shortage of storm shadows reported by any real news outlet, and how about that one bridge from Crimea to the mainland? What about that bridge vanishing act? Or maybe the damage inflicted in the Black Sea by Ukraine sea drones.

All the dumb fvck arguments of Cuba, Vietnam and Iraq do not change the absolute fact that Russia did not, and can not beat Ukraine. Russia is on the defensive. Now maybe you dumba$$es can find some real talking points instead of the same recycled bull$hit. I return to lurking. Happy gulag mother fvckers!

Bobko
2 Aug 2023  #2211

do not change the absolute fact that Russia did not, and can not beat Ukraine

A Ukraine supported by ten of billions of dollars of cash, and hundreds of billions in your weapons (prepared for a fight with us), perhaps...

If we win regardless, your stature will be undermined forever. If we lose, everyone will understand we Russians fought against impossible odds (as we do).

What's most important is that the Truth is on our side. The righteous will inherit the Earth.

cms neuf
2 Aug 2023  #2212

But Udmurtia is supported directly by China, Iran and North Korea - with weapons and cash. And indirectly and shamefully by India, Brazil and lots of African countries.

So about half of the world's leaders are backing Udmurtia - admittedly the stupid, dictatorial and corrupt half, but you peasants can hardly winge about Ukraine being supported by the decent, peace loving democracies of Europe and North America plus the more developed Asian countries like SK and Japan.

Bobko
2 Aug 2023  #2213

But Udmurtia is supported directly by China, Iran and North Korea - with weapons and cash

No cash - we don't beg. We don't need handouts.

Weapons - we buy. Even these they won't sell us. Not China, at least. Iran provided drones, NK might provide shells. All for money.

Russia stands on its own two feet.

cms neuf
2 Aug 2023  #2214

Udmurtia wobbles on its own too feet, from 10am onwards when they get halfway down that first half liter of vodka.

But you are right - dollars are changing hands, US dollars. i wonder what is happening to the supposed BRICS currency ? LOL - once they print that effluent they can send it straight to your rapidly retreating front line so the Udmurtian conscripts finally have some thing other than leaves to wipe their backsides with.

Bobko
2 Aug 2023  #2215

LOL

In six months we will see who is going to LOL. You and your crew of NATO apostles have had to eat crow for the last 12 months. I remember when last March, you were trying to convince me that by summer Russia will be done.

mafketis
2 Aug 2023  #2216

America is happy to make us all dollar-starved wh0res?

Am I to understand that you're leaving the US to return to your land of the righteous?

we Russians fought against impossible odds

you haven't fought sh[t! go volunteer if you believe in the russian cause so much, maybe a priest will approve of your sacrifice!

And I thought the sanctions were not having any effect and now they're the reason putain is throwing a tantrum and destroying food?

russians.... can't tell the truth at all.... it's like they're allergic to it....

Bobko
2 Aug 2023  #2217

Am I to understand that you're leaving the US to return to your land of the righteous?

My money-making efforts are neither righteous nor malicious.

you haven't fought sh[t! go volunteer

The ultimate argument...

Yes, I might go and volunteer, and yes I may be killed. I'll stop posting on PF then, and hopefully it will make for a brighter day for you on that day when you realize I am dead.

jon357
2 Aug 2023  #2218

A Ukraine supported by ten of billions of dollars of cash

That is a matter for Ukraine and others. Not r*SSia.

If we lose, everyone will understand we

You will lose. And be derided as fools for trying to invade a neighbouring sovereign state in the twenty first century using the strategy and tactics of the early twentieth.

cms neuf
2 Aug 2023  #2219

I have predicted 2024 as the end date for the war, when Udmurtia will leave Ukraine for good.

I stick by that.

Putin predicted 3 days for regime change. Nobody told him that his special forces were too sloshed to stand up and had no fuel, no food, not enough ammo and crappy old equipment

As for the strategy and tactics of the early 20th century - what glorious years those were for Udmurtia - thrashed by Japan, then Germany, then Poland

Bobko
2 Aug 2023  #2220

I have predicted 2024 as the end date for the war

You are more honest then, than the politicians in Ukraine which have felt it necessary to feed the population a monthly drip of how victory will arrive in the following month.

I also admire your cold calculation. It must not have been easy, understanding that Ukraine is in for a two year bruising battle that will leave it handicapped for decades. This type of foresight - we have not seen since Kissinger left the State Department.


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