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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6



Ironside
2 Aug 2023  #2221

I might go and volunteer,

No, don't go unless you have some special skills they need and I'm pretty sure you don't :D

cms neuf
2 Aug 2023  #2222

Nothing would handicap Ukraine more than bring a colony of the Udmurtian kleptocracy.

Here in Poland we are still feeling the effects after 34 years of freedom from the brain dead thieves

mafketis
2 Aug 2023  #2223

a two year bruising battle that will leave it handicapped for decades.

Let's say russia wins..... what are you going to do with a population that hates your guts? Concentration camps? Genocide? Propaganda and repression for those that don't believe the destruction of Mariupol was a great accomplishment?

What's the goal?

Bobko
2 Aug 2023  #2224

No, don't go unless you have some special skills they need and I'm pretty sure you don't

Of course not.

I am nominally some officer (Lieutenant), thanks to going to university. I manage employees in my daily life, and I care about their lives. In the same way - I guess you could say I would apply a lot of effort to avoid getting my guys in trouble in a warzone.

However, the idea of living in a trench for months, with water up to my ankles, and every manner of disease which humanity has forgotten about - does not make me excited. Camping experience notwithstanding.

What's the goal?

Big picture - the goal is to make Russia once again self sufficient when it comes to encounters with the rest of the world.

150M is just not enough, for Russia to enjoy its place under the Sun as it deserves. Russia has to have 300-400M people, for people to stop making jokes about how we are small in comparison.

The first step in this plan, is to return the unruly cousins under our roof. Nothing bad will happen to them. In fact, I'm sure within a short period of time they will assume their normal function of running our lives.

Velund
2 Aug 2023  #2225

That is a matter for Ukraine and others. Not r*SSia.

So, when Russia will hand a dozen of truckloads of trophy NATO weapons to IRA successors, it will be not british business? ;)

Ironside
2 Aug 2023  #2226

I am nominally some officer (Lieutenant),

Officers, low level , with no combat are pretty much usless, all the important stuff is done be a NCO; with some sense...
sure, you can get sick, wounded and you can almost die from an inffection not from a wound that cause is which is mostly from mortars or bigger guns...

Bobko
2 Aug 2023  #2227

Officers, low level , with no combat are pretty much usless, all the important stuff is done be a NCO; with some sense...

For me, having to be responsible for the lives of a bunch of 19-25 year olds, is the worst job I can imagine. Of course, it could be the dream job of my life.

Ironside
2 Aug 2023  #2228

Am I to understand

maf you were asking for it, did you see it? Heard it?

youtu.be/CMNjVPDNUNU

Of course, it could be the dream job of my life.

Nah, we both know you won't go .... to fight on a front line.... that a job for russian plebs and you consider yourslef better than that. ......

I only make fun from maf with his citizen duty, service, leading from the front ideal from the western, USA world trying to appy it to you..

mafketis
2 Aug 2023  #2229

Russia to enjoy its place under the Sun as it deserves.

no country 'deserves' it's place under the sun.... South Korea worked hard (had lots of help, true, but that wouldn't have meant anything if the people hadn't worked hard and smart).

Now South Korea is a far bigger cultural power than russia (or China with all it's space and population).

But Shoigu goes to honor North Korea, a pariah state that has starved millions of its citizens to death so that the party members can grow fat.....

russia doesn't have any kind of culture or social structure that is attractive to normal people (one reason so many left in the 1990s) and now that putain has kneecapped it's one viable industry (selling hydrocarbons to the west) it's economy is in ever worse shape and many who returned will regret their decision or follow your lead... move to the hated US and deal with your cognitive dissonance by pretending you're after 'truth'....

The russian model is outdated (again the time lag between russia and europe) and the country itself is turning into a death cult.....

trying to appy it to you..

Of course he's not going anywhere... russians in the US love putain like no others.... and they stay far away from him....

Ironside
2 Aug 2023  #2230

Not for the reasons

Does it matter? You won't go... you consider yourself better than some stupid plebian that has nothing going for him, plenty of those to shove on a front line.. that is a Russian way just be open about it and they won't give you much bother..

mafketis
2 Aug 2023  #2231

I will not be a traitor so others can spit in my face for the rest of my life

No, you'll support a genocidal invasion so others can spit in your face for the rest of your life.

Bobko
2 Aug 2023  #2232

you consider yourself better than some stupid plebian that has nothing going for him

I think the majority of my wealthy friends think exactly in this way. Just as many wealthy Ukrainians think so.

I don't think so, not quite. I was raised in a particular way... I also have particular ambitions, where being a draft-dodger is not such a great look.

I don't consider myself above any Russian man or woman.

mafketis
3 Aug 2023  #2233

russian military planning guy 1: You know how we could get more soldiers?

russian military planning guy 2: How?

russian military planning guy 1: Wagner! I know they're scum of the earth, but desperate times.... whadya think?

russian military planning guy 2: .....that... that is just a _BRILLIANT_ idea!

russian military planning guy 1: I know! What could possiblye go wrong?

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1686976096468611072

cms neuf
3 Aug 2023  #2234

How would Udmurtia send "truckloads" of weapons to the IRA - not only are you out of weapons but where the hell are you going to find sober drivers and functional Udmurtian trucks that would make it to Ireland ? It doesn't matter that your trucks are banned from clean European roads because they would have broken axles by the time they reached Minsk LOL

Ironside
3 Aug 2023  #2235

How would Udmurtia send

How would PiS make sure that all that grain is not sold in Poland? So far they are making some soft promises but they lied before. Why should we take their word for it????

Those corrupted scumbacks in Zelenski gabinet are still there, meaning corruption is not that easy to get rid off even on the highest level.
That need action!

Novichok
3 Aug 2023  #2236

We know how the movie ends: Russia will not give up CDL. The suspense is how many good white men will die before we get there. All the rest is bs.

mafketis
3 Aug 2023  #2237

suspense is how many good white men will die

How many more russian men die before russia gives a crap? That's the question... just how much of a death cult has russia degraded into?

Ironside
3 Aug 2023  #2238

We know how the movie ends:

Nobody knows anything of the sort. The only thing you can be sure that everyone will die, including you - someday.

How many more russian men die before russia gives a crap?

maf , you seems to b e new to this... no one cares... it is what it is..

cms neuf
3 Aug 2023  #2239

Not just white men - I thought Udmurtia was recruiting mercenaries in Africa to fight this senseless war

I imagine they heard how bad Udmurtian army food was and stayed at home

mafketis
3 Aug 2023  #2240

no one cares... it is what it is..

It was a rhetorical question.... novi-pie seems to think that Ukrainians should have surrendered and they would have lived happily ever after (carefully ignoring what happened in russian occupied areas).

"We don't leave our own!" goes the official propaganda, meanwhile russians just leave their killed in action to rot on the fields (better than having to buy big bags of pelmeni for their families...

twitter.com/beverley_kyle/status/1686883789740396546

The tragic thing for the country is they're throwing away their seed corn (that is breeding age males) because.... well for russian reasons that don't make any sense for normal human beings....

Ziemowit
3 Aug 2023  #2241

The first step in this plan, is to return the unruly cousins under our roof. Nothing bad will happen to them.

A pretty much imperial claim. Care to ask 'the unruly cousins' if they want to be under your roof?

If they don't, let's invade them.

Novichok
3 Aug 2023  #2242

Nobody knows anything of the sort.

We know by trying to visualize the opposite.
Who and how would force Russia to give up part of itself? We can scream about "illegal annexations" all day long, but to Russia, CDL is Russia - just like your arms and legs are you.

Try to describe this moment and the events leading to Russia saying you can have it back and we are so sorry.

let's invade them.

The US invades for less.

mafketis
3 Aug 2023  #2243

Who and how would force Russia to give up part of itself?

No one wants to do that.... they want russia to leave the internationally recognized (including by russia itself) borders of Ukraine....

to Russia, CDL is Russia

abusers have lots of delusions.... they do not need to be taken seriously by the sane....

And what about Z and K? Supposedly they are russia too...

And what about the Baltics? Lots of russians think of those as russia too... just give them up or make sure that they have the protection of NATO?

Velund
3 Aug 2023  #2244

Lots of russians think of those as russia too...

At least Courland, Estland and Livonia were bought (for money) by the Russian Empire, and independence was granted to them by the Bolsheviks, who abdicated the succession to try to avoid paying the debts of the Russian Empire. So the declarations of independence of these limitrophic states recognized by the Bolsheviks are more than dubious.

Tacitus
3 Aug 2023  #2245

Their two declarations of independence had been accepted by the respective Russian government and the world at large and are completely indisputable.

Nothing dubious about them. You'll probably try and convince us that Poland's and Finland's independence is dubious as well.

mafketis
3 Aug 2023  #2246

The place, Rostov-on-Don, in southern russia...

The event, a drone is used to film an orthodox church

The reaction... people panic and start running away....

twitter.com/24HoursUkraine/status/1686882595483553792

What a bunch of sissies....

typical russians they support attacking Ukrainian civilians..... so let them be afraid....

the declarations of independence of these limitrophic states recognized by the Bolsheviks are more than dubious

Feelin' lucky? Try to take them back.... NATO might have a little something to say aobut that......

cms neuf
3 Aug 2023  #2247

I thought the USSR constitution of 1922 allowed republics to secede. I'm no expert but I read that today in a proper physical book !

mafketis
3 Aug 2023  #2248

he USSR constitution of 1922 allowed republics to secede

russia is a lawless swamp.... it doesn't matter what is written anywhere, russians only recognize brute force....

Bobko
3 Aug 2023  #2249

russians only recognize brute force....

... or dignified treatment, worthy of a peer.

Velund
3 Aug 2023  #2250

If you are talking about Poland - forget about dignity. The Anglo masters promised the Polish "elite" a very long time ago the role of honorary overseers of slaves for EE, so it's hard to expect anything dignified from them ;)


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