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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6



cms neuf
5 Aug 2023  #2,311

As if Udmurtia has the kind of weapons that could sink a ship in Poland LOL

Your naval power is legendary since the time the Imperial Udmurtian fleet sailed round the world for a 5 minute battle with the Japanese

Pathetic as always

Ironside
5 Aug 2023  #2,312

Guess you not a man enough to MAKE ME wimpo:))

I'am against cruelty to animals so I guess not!

Novichok
5 Aug 2023  #2,313

clap your hands!

PF Russian superiority in every category - including their manners and patience - has been established before you re-joined. They don't need your help.

Cargo pants
5 Aug 2023  #2,314

I'am against cruelty to animals so I guess not!

So why are you raping your daughter????
lol stop stuttering you wanna be living in a royal palace,day dreamer.

Ironside
5 Aug 2023  #2,315

So why are you raping your daughter????

:D That kindess not cruelty, should I show you some kindess you
poor animal?

be living in a royal palace,d

Nah, wannbe persident of Poland handler.

Cargo pants
5 Aug 2023  #2,316

:D That kindess not cruelty,

"Kindess" lolol am I making you stutter ?lolololo

wannbe persident of Poland handler.

"wannbe persident of Poland handler." lololol make sense man go get some water not alcohol lololol
I am sure you are foaming and drooling dumb fu.ck.
Hey did you consider buying some roach poison for yourself???

Bobko
5 Aug 2023  #2,317

A big article in Ukraine's leading newspaper, Ukrainska Pravda, about the current crisis in the relations between Poland and Ukraine.

Title: "Not just elections, and not just grain. How can Poland and Ukraine avoid a massive crisis in relations."

A surprisingly pro-Polish laying out of the facts, written by a Ukrainian researcher at the London School of Economics. Some of the main takeaways:

1) The initial salvo from the Polish side, regarding "insufficient gratitude", was made within the specific context of the grain deal. However, Ukrainian politicians turned it into something else, despite continuing transit through Poland and an absence of a ban to sales elsewhere in the EU.

2) Ukrainians don't appreciate how important "gestures and symbolism" are to Poles. In this regard, it was strange to call the Polish ambassador for consultations, on the day when Poles commemorate the Warsaw Uprising.

3) Ukrainians are behaving rudely, by not involving Poland in any of the discussions revolving around security guarantees - preferring instead to negotiate with the G7 countries. This is despite the fact that Poland is the number one supporter of EU and NATO accession for Ukraine. This seems to imply that Ukraine does not view Poland as a serious partner.

4) In connection with the above, there is a broader concern among Polish diplomats that Ukraine views Poland as an "situational partner, that will always have a de facto position of supporting Ukraine due to antagonism towards Russia. And not as a strategic partner, with whom Ukraine must build relations of deep trust".

5) This seeming disinterest from Ukraine's side towards regional countries, and Poland specifically, speaks to the Poles as a symptom of Ukraine repeating the same mistakes it committed between 2014 and 2022 when it relied on the so called "Normandy Format" to resolve the conflict (France and Germany).

6) Polish irritation with being de facto designated as "junior tier" allies, is the likeliest reason why Poland has not signed up to the recent document on providing security guarantees for Ukraine, and the Polish refusal to comment on the Copenhagen-based forum for peace in Ukraine.

Source: eurointegration.com.ua/rus/articles/2023/08/4/7167011/




Ironside
5 Aug 2023  #2,318

indess" lolol am I making you stutter ?lolololo

Can you stutter while you typing? Man you have a talent, go TV, become a star! :D

Hey did you consider buying some roach poison for yourself???

No, that not on my list. I resist sometimes temptation to off few nasty 'plonks' but to done myslef in, never corsses my mind,
You must be dwelling about it a lot considering you mention it here .. often.....

lololol make sense

You asked about Royal Palace , I want to be the power behind the throne in Poland,,,don't care about gaudy luxury...yuck..

am sure you are foaming and drooling dumb fu.ck.

I'm proud of your strong conviction and a vidid immagination, that the spirit!!

Cargo pants
5 Aug 2023  #2,319

Man you have a talent, go TV, become a star! :D

lol so you do agree finally but NO I dont wanna be a star I wanna watch dumb Polak wanna be a king living in a kings palace lol

myslef in, never corsses my mind

+)(*&*(^&%)*())+)_)(&(&+_+)*(*&_++_)(*&^(*^&)_??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I'm proud of your strong conviction and a vidid immagination, that the spirit!!

I am proud of my "VIDID"imagination also lolololol
Stuttering and foaming still????,lol calm down have some cold water and you will type better lololol

Bobko
5 Aug 2023  #2,320

No comment on how Ukraine only wants assurances from the G7 countries, and doesn't involve in consultations the country that contributed 2% of its GDP to help Ukraine?

Ironside
5 Aug 2023  #2,321

VIDID"imagination also lolololol

you are becoming sloppy too? can't expect much from an animal..
you have run off your wit, yawn, came back latter when you recharge.

No comment on how Ukraine

We will see what going to happen next! So far Ukrianian reaction was way off they shoot themselves in the foot!

mafketis
5 Aug 2023  #2,322

big article in Ukraine's leading newspaper

russians don't understand simple things.... in a free society the press is liable to criticize everyone and publish all kinds of opinions

when is the last time you read a critical analysis of the government in a russian newspaper?

free people aren't afraid of criticism.... authoritians (russian government) and their servants (you) are in a symbiotic relationship where the servants shut up if they know what's good for them... they're just supposed to be happy about foreign conquests (the fruits of which never quite make it to them).

Novichok
5 Aug 2023  #2,323

No comment on how Ukraine only wants assurances from the G7 countries,

Do you feel like a pianist next to a jackhammer?
I read your post and have been waiting for the usual characters to comment...

Bobko
5 Aug 2023  #2,324

when is the last time you read a critical analysis of the government in a russian newspaper?

When is the last time you read a Russian newspaper?

In Russia you can criticize everything, with the exception of Putin (and even this you can do from the pages of a small publication). I just opened the websites of two big financial newspapers in Russia and the front page is full of criticism of the government. Meaning, the government proper - the ministers, and prime minister.

Everything is much more readable, and you don't get the sense it was written by a farmer who has been given access to Google.

Given a choice to read Russian newspapers or Ukrainian newspapers - I would choose Russian ones ten times out of ten.

mafketis
5 Aug 2023  #2,325

Just for Novi....

twitter.com/BrennanRapport/status/1687862892111216640/photo/1

I've yet to hear a single russian (pro or anti putain) make a very big deal about NATO (unless it's an RT type speaking in English to disaffected westerners)

cultural insiders all point to things like the russian refusal to accept that Ukrainians are not in fact russian or desire for empire or a return to CCCP.

but novi can't get the idea that the US isn't manipulating everything out of his head... he's an American exceptionalist (he just thinks the US is uniquely evil instead of uniquely good).

cms neuf
5 Aug 2023  #2,326

But Putler is everything, boss of the whole show. So if you can't criticize him, that is kind of a big deal.

And if you do criticize him ? Open windows, poisoned tea, a trial in a cage, deadly injections.

In this supposed free speech paradise why was Navalny just got another stretch in prison after surviving a poisoning ?

Pathetic Udmurtia

Bobko
5 Aug 2023  #2,327

@cms neuf

If you cannot criticize Putin, then what's the point of it all - right?

You may be surprised, but 99.999% of Russian life happens in the absence of Vladimir Vladimirovich. So we have plenty of other things we would like to discuss in our papers, and amongst each other.

Is your main joy in life criticizing Biden, and the degree to which you can do it is how you measure life satisfaction as a whole?

Bratwurst Boy
5 Aug 2023  #2,328

You may be surprised,

You live in the US, don't you?

Living in an autocracy you have to have count on "interested" neighbours and all these informants who do the job and inform the security forces the moment you draw a wrong breath...have you forgotten how they work?

cms neuf
5 Aug 2023  #2,329

Biden can be removed, every 4 years, by the people.

Putin will be removed, sometime soon, by his generals, probably in a pine box. But the idea that regular Udmurtians could do it is preposterous.

Your claim that Udmurtia allows free speech is hilarious

Ironside
5 Aug 2023  #2,330

If you cannot criticize Putin, then what's the point of it all - right?

Not really. What is the point if you have no basic freedom? the differnce bewteen USA and Russia are closuing but it is still a big gap in every way.

I don't get you can't see it. If you trade order and security for freedom you won't get either security nor order but you will loose your freedom.

Who is better, or who side is better is bisade the point here. Poland's interest lay with Russia losing this war for better or worse.

Bobko
5 Aug 2023  #2,331

all these informants who do the job and inform the security forces the moment you draw a wrong breath...have you forgotten how they work?

I don't live in the US without leaving.

I think you may have 2023 confused with 1937.

Without a gram of exaggeration - I can go to the balcony of my building in Moscow, and yell for hours that "Putin is the antichrist, sent by Satan to destroy Russia" - and nobody will do anything except maybe order me an ambulance.

At my office in Moscow, I can gather all my employees every morning for a Putin hate session. Anybody that comes to tell me I shouldn't do this, I will fire, and nobody will be able to sue me like in the States.

You guys have a very fairy tale like understanding of Russia. Just don't be Navalny... but even he got arrested like 60 times, before the people in the Kremlin realized this guy just won't give up. If Navalny can escape dozens of brushes with the Kremlin with a mere fine or two days in lock up, how bad do you think it is for the rest of us?

Bratwurst Boy
5 Aug 2023  #2,332

"Putin is the antichrist, sent by Satan to destroy Russia" - and nobody will do anything

....hard to believe!

They just sentenced Nawalny to even more years in the Gulag and I doubt he was so outspoken....

If Navalny can escape dozens of brushes with the Kremlin

Thing is he hasn't....so yes, Putin and Co. take criticism very seriously...so, you better don't dare anything, you might land in a Gulag too!

Bobko
5 Aug 2023  #2,333

They just sentenced Nawalny to even more years in the Gulag and I doubt he was so outspoken....

Are you f*ckin kidding me?

Navalny has been spending his years dumping secret information about Putin. Not some crazy yelling from a balcony that Putin is the antichrist, but providing concrete proof that Putin steals, and his surrounding steals as well.

He reported on Putin's daughters. Infiltrated the construction site of Putin's palace. Called Putin a thief and a cockroach. Multiple times he said, the goal of his life is to stand at the grave of Putin.

Now you are telling me that Navalny is more calm than Bobko? Navalny is a kamikaze, a wild spirit.

I don't think that even in the enlightened West the political opposition can say things about their enemies, that Navalny said about Putin.

Bratwurst Boy
5 Aug 2023  #2,334

Now you are telling me that Navalny is more calm than Bobko?

Well...he made a calm impression on TV! :)

....he probably never expected any different treatment.

But to call your gov head names should be a duty of every adult! :)

I don't think that even in the enlightened West....

I don't remember any bad-mouthing that was punished....but I remember even rotting tomatoes thrown...

Tacitus
5 Aug 2023  #2,335

@Novichok

This was your moment for redemption

And after a somewhat rocky start, it seems like we took it. Being on the right side of history regarding a war of agression in Europe for the first time in 150 years feels good for a change.

That we could do so by sending weapons to repel Russian soldiers certainly does come with some historical irony.

GefreiterKania
5 Aug 2023  #2,336

novi can't get the idea that the US isn't manipulating everything out of his head... he's an American exceptionalist (he just thinks the US is uniquely evil instead of uniquely good)

Novi's contribution, if you filter out references to irrelevant past wars (Vietnam, Iraq etc.) or general grumpiness towards changes in the modern world, is quite valuable in that he tries to put emphasis on the reasons of the conflict (although he gets this part wrong) in Ukraine and mechanisms behind it rather than various emotions connected with it or kindergarten-level nonsense (e.g. struggle for freedom, democracy and general happiness).

He also calls bullsh*t on people trying to portray Russia as Mordor and Russians as primitive, violent barbarians. His analogies may be imprecise and his insight clouded by personal preferences (but who's not guilty of that?) but at least he's a consistent voice for skepticism towards the warmongering, fight-to-the-last-Ukrainian camp.

He's also the one who likes to remind everybody of the uncomfortable stuff like the fact that it was not Russia but Ukraine that withdrew from the peace negotiations (yes, under pressure from the United States and Great Britain but still) and that there is more to this war than black-and-white struggle between Anglo-Saxon and Ukrainian angels versus Russian devils, and that it is the United States not Russia that has carried out 251 military interventions in other countries since the end of the Cold War and that many of these interventions have been clear violations of the UN Charter.

A valuable voice in general, if a bit irritating sometimes. :) Keep up the good work, Novi. *thumbs up*

Bobko
5 Aug 2023  #2,337

....he probably never expected any different treatment.

No matter what you think about the guy, his behavior calls for respect.

He is continuing the good tradition of Russian political martyrdom. You cannot lead Russia, if your family was not brutalized, and you did not pay a pound of your flesh for the privilege.

I always hated Navalny as an example of a Russian nationalist. He wants to "fix" the central Asians and other immigrants which are arriving. Which I think is suicide for Russia. But Putin putting him jail, has paradoxically made him more popular.

Russians really are a messed up people. Our primary process is unlike the Democratic or Republican primary - our primary happens in jail.

Bratwurst Boy
5 Aug 2023  #2,338

- our primary happens in jail.

I wondered if Navalny was so calm because he doesn't believe he has to do the full program but will get out earlier....much sooner....

Bobko
5 Aug 2023  #2,339

doesn't believe he has to do the full program but will get out earlier....much sooner...

Maybe he'll be some kind of Lenin, like you describe.

However, he will not bring you lot anything good. If you think Navalny is weaker than Putin, that's a big mistake. He might actually wake up the Russian beast to its full potential.

Bratwurst Boy
5 Aug 2023  #2,340

However, he will not bring you lot anything good.

...yeah...I believe you!


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