Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6

The existence of USSR itself has no legal basis. It existed only thanks to a coup against the legitimate rulers of Russian empire.

So what their recognitions worth then? ;)

russia was treated with dignity in 1990 but the typical russian narcissism prevented them from noticing that the world bent over backward to keep the whole country from collapsing....

all the chaos of the 1990s is 100% on russians themselves.... they're the ones who decided to steal everything from each other and go into crime and create a neo-Tsar and all the rest of it... no one else.

Germany actually made the fatal mistake of treating russia like a normal country that can be relied upon to keep its word.... and look what it got them.

russia craves respect from other countries but doesn't have the first idea of how to go about getting it and reminds mired in the past dreaming of imperial glory (long after the rest of the world realized how stupid that is).

Make a list of countries that have the kind of 'respect' you want for russia and see what they have that russia doesn't..... if you're honest with yourself it should be very illuminating.

Children, today we will learn the meaning and proper use of "one-sided".

One-sided: how Western press covers the war in Ukraine.

But what about Russia?

Russia is an evil tyranny where basic freedoms are suppressed (see: boys not being allowed to become girls). Western democracies are lovely, cuddly, and totally harmless so we expect better from them.

See you all tomorrow...

true....

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Dude, its a country whose soldiers are more worried about stealing washing machines, has higher AIDS numbers than many African countries, sees homo rape as a valid training method, and buys munitions from North Korea... Russian negative stereotypes have been all confirmed during this conflict.

nothing says "winning" for russia quite like another round of mobilization and introducing legal punishments for those who avoid it....

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Indeed and then some. I remember the Russian outrage whenever the Soviet/Russian army in the media was depicted as using human wave tactics (e.g. Enemy at the Gates), subscribing convicts and using its' recruits as cannon fodder.

Aside from the fact in the future there will be greater care displayed at depicting the Red Army as a multinational, not Russian army, those critical voices will be given a lot more weight after Bakhmut.

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...to make tricycles like that Su-57...

you are confusing Russia and Soviet Union not the one and same.

Ukraine attacks black sea port of Novorossijsk.... russia initially denied any damage but I've seen ships that look more afloat....

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some speculate the ship cannot be salvaged (at least not at Novorossijsk)

The Black Sea is looking less and less like a russian pond.....

The SU 57 has allegedly flown 4 combat missions during the Udmurtian invasion (no footage exists) and a handful in Syria

As it stands Udmurtian commnders and Sukhoi both want this kept firmly in base due to engine defects and structural problems. Bigger countries like India, Brazil and Turkey have pulled their orders for this junk though a few have been sold to Algeria and Vietnam - probably by kickbacks or the use of honey trap prostitutes on their defence ministers.

Sauce: wikipedia

It's a POS, the ruskis should have made more washing machines instead.

hotcars.com/russian-sukhoi-su-57-worlds-worst-stealth-aircraft/

About as stealthy as an F-18 super hornet which was first introduced into service in 1999! Lolzo

There is another problem with the Su-57 - its engines are the same as those of the aircraft it is designed to replace, the Su-35S, Because, suprise suprise the new engines don't work, just like the engines in the T-14 Armata tank

Very true. This war seems to have proven all those sceptics right who said that neither the Armata nor the T-14 were actually combat ready.

While Western weapon systems like the HIMAR and Patriots are proven more effective than initially thought. We even have been given a glimpse on how the Warsaw Pact would have fared when confronted with Western tech like the Gepard if the Cold War had ever turned hot (Very badly and that seems like an understatement).

Don't about Viet- nam but it is an upgrade for Algeria, they have been using storks with saddles for their airforce.

I like how the geniuses of PF actually think Ukraine is winning the war...lol

Biden gives them only enough to keep the war going.

The Russians will never loose with a Demorat in the WH...

The EU hasnt given them anything either, only a small drop in the bucket compare to the USA and yet they complain the most.

US aid to Ukraine: 70,7 bn
EU aid to Ukraine: 68,4 bn

It could be more but it is hardly "a drop" and that does not include the costs of caring for Ukrainian refugees.

ifw-kiel.de/de/themendossiers/krieg-gegen-die-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/


Let us be real here. The day Biden won the election was the luckiest day in recent Ukrainian history. Trump would have either sold out Ukraine to Putin, or thrown them under the bus at the first opportunity like he constantly promises to now. The other Republican hopeful nominee De Santis has also raised serious doubts about the prospect of supporting Ukraine to the end. The Republicans are giving a platform to people who want to end aid to Ukraine, and seem to have sympathies to Putin. You don't want the democrats in power, that is your opinion. But do not pretend an end to the Biden presidency would be in the interest of Ukraine.

Boys, you must be really starved for good material...The thread was in a coma until I mentioned that Su-57 as just a crude toy and you all swooped in...

BTW, is Mig-41 just as bad as that piece of junk Su-57? Because if it is I am going to cancel my order. It sure would be helpful in keeping those rioting thugs away from me...

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So how will that movie end?

140 billion gone, 300,000 Uks dead, U destroyed, and CDL gone ... over a fu*cking piece of paper that says U will be neutral and not in NATO.

If at least it was Z's decision not to talk...OK... The orders came from that pos Biden and his British dick sucker...This made that war an American war. The only thing the US couldn't provide was men. Well, they found enough useful idiots in Ukraine...and morons aka volunteers.

No, this war did not start on Feb 24, 2022.

Now we need fitting music...Chopin?

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Well at least he isn't quoting 92 times from the Daily Mail tabloid like you when you get starve for an argument.

Meanwhile the Security Service of Ukraine (SSU) says the Russians are preparing a false flag provocation to draw Belarus into direct hostilities against Ukraine.
Quote: "This Russian SRG is supposed to commit a provocation at the Mazyr Oil Refinery in Gomel Oblast, bordering Ukraine refinery, pretending to be 'Ukrainian saboteurs'. The Russian Federation plans to blame Ukraine for the crime in order to try once again to drag Minsk into a full-scale war against our nation.

Who knows. Hopefully with a fully restored Ukraine. We may have to settle with a largely liberated Ukraine and a severely weakened Russia. Every day further degrades Russia's military and the threat it will pose in the future. If the Ukrainians are willing to fight, we should help them as long as it takes.


If there is one thing Putin has definitely proven so far, it is that any piece of paper is no protection against him. He has disregarded every treaty the SU and Russia has ever signed on this issue, the Ukrainians would be utterly foolish to enter another one without being able to repell any future agression.


True. It started when Russia invaded Crimea and sent mercenaries and agents to D and L to destabilize Ukraine.

There is no way Lukaszenko would join in a war over Ukraine. His army knows that would be a suicide mission against western weapons and it would be fatally destabilizing for him at home.

One possibility is that the desperate Udmurtians will remove him in a coup and then try and install a stooge who would bow down to Putler. Little chance of such a 1950s tactic working but don't rule it out

No, it started on the day the first Eastern block country was admitted to NATO.

...does the GDR count?

Logical thinking is not your strong point.
Think along...

1. If U signs, there is a probability that Russia will invade anyway. Or not...Zero risk in signing because if Russia invades, all agreements are null and void and we are back to Feb 24.

2. If U refuses to sign, Russian invasion is a certainty. Back to Feb 24. No ifs.

Do you understand the difference between "probability" and "certainty"?

Certainty is when probability = 100%

So in other words.... russia became so infuriated that countries wanted protection from russian invasion that it invaded a country..... totally not insane...... do you even read what you write?

I thought you were talking about a possible peace deal after February 2022, not an entirely fictional one before the full-scale invasion. There were never any serious talks between Moscow and Kiev about such a deal before the invasion, because Russia regards Ukraine as a colony under foreign dominance and not as a sovereign country it should negotiate with. Hence the de facto ultimatum in 2021 was directed at NATO and the US, which conceeded where it was possible to appease Putin. NATO membership for Ukraine had been ruled out by various government, but this did not stop Putin.

But even if Putin had acted in good faith and engaged in talks with Kiev directly, the latter would not have been in any position to agree to those demands. Not only are those demands completely illegitimate, they also go against the wishes of the Ukrainian people and the Ukrainian constitution both of which demand NATO and EU membership. Commiting electorial suicide and consigning Ukraine to a Russian "sphere of influence" all for the vague hope of Putin actually honoring a treaty for once is hardly a viable option.

Maybe the invasion would have been postponed for some time, with Putin trying to subjugate Ukraine similiary to Belarus first, but if that failed Putin would have invaded anyway. No one can deny his determination to destroy Ukraine as an independent entitiy after 17 months of war. The difference is, would the West have been as willing to support Ukraine as it is now? I doubt that.

They chose to!

Independence means also freedom in chosing your alliances!

Russia has only itself to blame when countries are eager to get out from under it's umbrella....it's still very much a "competition of the systems", and needing to invade a country to "keep it" is actually a sign of weakness, not strength!

Ukraine made their choice. Results is visible by naked eye.

Yes, and Russia will have to accept that....sooner or later....forced or voluntarily!