Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

And of course you're delighted.


It is I :)


That's because in real life people usually try to express themselves more moderately (hence the word moderator).When they don't, everybody is not 'fine'.

When they don't, they don't get invited. They know it and behave.

Hamas couldn't have picked better timing. Now, even Russia-hating PF morons know what happens when you have a hostile neighbor with a malfunctioning instinct of self-preservation.

In 2014, Russia's peaceful neighbor turned hostile and started mumbling something about NATO...Putin looked up "existential", read about Israel in 1948, 1967, and 1973, and said no fu*cking way. So he tried to talk to Z but Z said fu*ck off because that's what the motherfu*ckers in DC told him to say. End of the story.

Tomorrow we will discuss "exit ramp", elections, and why McArthy was dumped by the Uni party - also known as Demoplicans.

@Novichok

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, not vice versa. Russia is firing rockets at Ukraine, deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure. Russia has abducted, tortured and killed thousands of Ukrainian civilians. Because Russia is unable to beat Ukraine on the battlefield, they resort to terror tactics. It is obvious who is behaving similarly to Hamas in this scenario.


Putin has at no point until today tried to negotiate with Zelensky.

Russia learned this trick from the US. It's called preventive self-defense.
My advice: Talk to the instructors if you don't approve of such behavior.


The meeting scheduled for April 2022 was to split a case of vodka and get drunk. Nothing else.
You are a true credit to the Ministry of Truth.

Monkey see monkey do, rinse and repeat.... at least you realize russia is a dry well and can only copy the behavior of others....

@Novichok

Putin has never shown an willingness to meet and negotiate with Zelensky. Meanwhile Zelensky has offered to talk with him directly numerous times.

@Tacitus
Other way around actually. Putin is the one willing to talk, Z is not. The truth is that Z is the one who cut off negotiations in 2022. Now Ukraine needs to think because Israel will come before Ukraine every time, and sleepy Joe is dumb enough to start WW3 over Israel. This is no small attack on the Jews, this is a very dangerous situation.

Do you have a source for Putin stating his readiness to directly negotiate with Zelensky?

...and China will move on Taiwan - a once-per-century oppo with the US busy in U and I, and in the spiral of death at home.

That moment came and went in the spring of 2022.

Today, Z is nothing else than a US wh*re so Russia will not waste a minute on this scumbag or the fossil. As PAK said, this mess will be resolved between the US and Russia in 2025 with a functioning adult in the WH.

Europe could speed it up but they are just obedient gutless zombies - so the war will continue...

Why would the US negotiate with pygmies like Udmurtia ? I could understand them meeting your Chinese or Iranian masters, but nobody in Washington will want to waste a few days talking to drunk fools who can't point their guns straight.

Since you like asking "simple" questions: When has Putin said that he would sit down and negotiate with Zelensky?

Hey, PAK, where the hell are you? Why do I have to deal with these two idiots alone?

reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-ready-negotiate-over-ukraine-2022-12-25/#:~:text=%22We%20are%20ready%20to%20negotiate,told%20Rossiya%201%20state%20television.

Little Vlad is a killer, but he has been open to securing a peace deal wince March of 2022. Z, the US and NATO though, dont want to give anything to Vlad. I get it, but the war with Israel adds a whole new dynamic. The US will walk right TF away from Ukraine if things get out of control in Gaza, and Novi is right, China, should be licking its chops at this opportunity. Strategiacally this is the perfect storm for everyone who is against the US and its interests.

Sorry, Novi, work called and I had to make some money to pay more ZUS. I will try to remain more engaged lol

A Ukrainian I know said the tactics used by Hamas made him think, for the first time, that maybe Prigozhin didn't die in that accident....

Hamas, no Palestinians, have ever been able to manage a multi-pronged attack like this and the tactics are straight from Wagner (and generalsvr claims Wagner's been training Hamas).

So.... distraction? I dunno... mebbe.

I don't think russia wants any kind of peace, I think russia wants more war in lots of places....

Yes, burning down this empire of lies.

@PolAmKrakow

That article does not state that Putin is ready to directly negotiate with Zelensky.

Hey, genius, presidents never negotiate; their teams do.

Presidents show up to smile and shake hands after all the heavy lifting is done by the guys we never see.

Putler does not have a "team". He is an absolute dictator and the fleas that surround him would wet their cheap polyester pants at the thought of taking a decision.

Unless he is at the table there is no point in negotiations

Bit of a problem since he will only sit at 20 meter long tables because he is a pathetic germophobe

@Tacitus
Sorry, but I dont recall when any sitting President sat down with another for negotiations face to face. The last one I remember would probably be the Camp David Accords negotiated by Carter with Israel and Egypt. And those key negotiations took place with "teams" prior to the signing of the accords. WWII didnt end with a German President or Prime Minister signing anything with the Allies either.

The point being is that little Vlad is willing to make a deal. I am sure now, he is most willing. For anyone paying attention to the other military workings of Russia, they are now realigning some of the internal operations of the military and setting up shop closer to the Baltics. This should concern everyone.

But the US is not a combatant in this war so it does not matter if they are there face to face.

Zelensky and Putin is what is needed and there are examples every week of leaders negotiating face to face.

@cms neuf
They do not need to be together at the same table and that really would be unprecedented in modern times. The US is the largest sponsor of the war, and youre right they dont need to be involved, but you better believe they will help determine any settlement.

What Ukraine needs to be worried about now is not only the US Congress and funding deals for Ukraine, but the commitments to Israel. The US wont be able to take care of both situations without drastically reducing their own stockpiles of weapons and ammunition. Its not just Ukraine that needs to be concerned, but all of Europe. This Hamas attack was assisted by Iran, and if Iran, Lebanon and/or others get dragged into things, the middle east will errupt. The US is not in a position to be the worlds police or protecting force.

He's a hybrid, he has absolute power and russians worship him, but he's also got a notoriously short attention span and is very indecisive. Others make day to day decision but he can overturn them all....

The real absolute dictator is Xi of China who's purged so many high officials that nothing can really happen.

US intelligence has a bead on where putain is at all times and what officials are talking about behind the scenes.... but no longer in China, it's a one-man show.

Because Hitler was dead and the Allies did not recognize his chosen successor Dönitz as capable of representing the German state.

When it came to finally closing the last chapters of WWII in the 2+4 treaties, the direct talks between Gorbachev and Kohl were instrumental in solving critical issues like NATO membership for a reunited Germany. The issue was also negotiated between the heads- of states/government amonst the Western leaders.

If Putin wants a deal, (not an Ukrainian surrender, which is his actual position) he will have to recognize Zelensky as his equal and talk with him directly. Putin is the only person who matters in Russia, and the only person who could justify a deal to his (bound to be disappointed) people.

@Tacitus
Putin will never negotiate directly with Zelensky. Zelensky will never directly negotiate with Putin, he wont even allow his team to talk to Putins team that actually wants to talk. Lets make sure we are just looking at facts and not throwing emotion into this. WWII agreements long after WWII signed by Kohl and Gorby are symbolic really. And those negotiations were done by teams of people, and only when complete did leaders meet to sign them. The same would likely happen in any case with Ukraine and Russia.

Why is it ok for the Allies to not recognize Donitz, but its not ok for Putin to not recognize Zelensky? Not that I am saying Z wasnt properly elected, but really this is an obvious double standard. Perspectives are always different depending on the side you are on.

That is an argument worthy even if Novi

In May 1945 Germany was a heap of rubble with no military left

Ukraine is still very much a functioning state with a strong and undefeated military plus an elected president.

You have a case of Macronitis - he was the last world leader who thought you could do business with Putin

Nonsense. Zelensky has proven his willingness to negotiate with Putin. It is Putin who has not only sabotaged all previous attempts, but also ruled out to not accept anything but an Ukrainian surrender.


I'd recommend you look up what Kohl and Gorbachev negotiated about before you make such claims. If you think that agreeing to reunification,, NATO membership, reparations and getting rid off 500k Soviet soldiers are "symbolical issues", then I wonder what you consider important. Putin certainly does not seem to consider those points "symbolical".


Is this a serious question? I appreciate that everyone has biases but there is a limit on how far you can twist events to support your narrative.

Read what PAK said again and stop embarrassing yourself.

@Tacitus
I am not biased. I support Ukraine in this. I am realistic and not emotional about this war or the wars of the past. I dislike Russia based upon years of cold war rhetoric, education, and nuclear bomb survival training in grade school. So please take the bias bull$hit out of it.

Gorby and Khol did not do the negotiations. Thanks, you need to research who was on their teams. The other Allies involved in negotiations just proves this point. And Gorby had not a leg to stand on, the USSR was over and speeding toward a crash.

Zelensky has said dozens of times publicly that he will not negotiate with Putin or Russia until all Russians are out of Ukraine. And that is a refusal to negotiate. Russia is not getting completely pushed out. Especially while the US turns its sight toward Israel. Zelensky and his team will have to negotiate or they will not survive politically beyond the next US presidential election. Already, Ukraine future funding proposals to be tied to Israel war funding proposals being discussed in congress.

@cms neuf
Its not an argument, its a question. Its also a point that there are a lot of double standards here. In 1945 Germany still had a lot of military left. They all surrendered and went home. Many went back to being police officers and worked for the USSR. My point being that the Allies accepted the German amry surrender, but did not accept the appointed leader is a double standard. We accept who we and what we want and do not accept what does not suit our needs. This is the American way, I know because I do it too. All Americans do this.

Hey, Tacitus, go here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_negotiations_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

...scroll down to April 22, read slowly the first paragraph, and stop playing stupid.

This is what it says:

According to a May report from Ukrainska Pravda, the Russian side was ready for a meeting between Zelenskyy and Putin, but it later came to a halt after the discovery of Russian war crimes in Ukraine, and the surprise visit on 9 April of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson who told Zelenskyy "Putin is a war criminal, he should be pressured, not negotiated with," and that "even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they are not.

Got it?


Pure and simple.
I wonder if this may be too complicated for Tacitus to comprehend.