Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

One thing even those who are highly critical of Kohl will admit is that his good relationship with Bush Sr. and Gorbachev and his visits to the USA and SU were instrumental in agreeing on the principals of German reunification. Did Kohl, Bush and Gorbachev negotiate alone? Of course not, they had advisors and ministers to assist them, but their interactions were crucial in solving the difficult issues.


Leaving moral issues aside, it should be noted that Dönitz was not even by the standards of the Third Reich properly appointed. His appointment solely rested on a law passed in secret by Hitler in 1936, which the allies could not have know about, whose legality itself is in question and he would still have needed approval by an official commitee of the NSDAP and parliament (which technically still existed). The Allies had good reason to not accept him since from their point of view Dönitz claimed to be in charge of Germany without any justification why this would be the case. Something btw. Göhring had claimed as well at roughly the same time.

The reason why the Allies wanted the German army to surrender was to prevent another stab-in-the-back legend from forming.


Zelensky has shown that he is willing to negotiate over several things, including NATO membership and the future status of Crimea and Donbass within Ukraine. Putin is said that for any negotiations to start, the West would have to cease supporting Ukraine, and Ukraine would have to withdraw from the 4 Oblasts it still controls, including two provincial capitals. That is not calling for negotiations but surrender.

@Novichok

That story has long been debunked, including by the Israelian PM himself.

What made a meeting between Putin and Zelensky impossible was the massacre in Bucha and Putin's decision to give medals to the suspected culprits.

Then Z will "negotiate" the way Japan negotiated with the US in 1945. U and R were never equal in the past and are even less equal now.

To demand things you have to have the power to get them by other means. Z has no means to get C, D, and L back and that is why those are not on the table.

Plus, there is this thing we call self-determination. Z would never agree to a UN-supervised referendum so what's the point in demanding the return of CDL by a single signature?


That stand cost Ukraine 400 to 500 thousand dead and disabled. Fu*cking brilliant. What did Z and Western a-holes think Putin would do? Say oops, you caught me and I am so ashamed that I will call the whole thing off, pack up, and go home?

Is stupidity now a virtue?

Yes - for once you are right. Ukraine was superior to Udmurtia for a number of years now and the distance is growing

Yes,but I still would be beware of Ukrainians,they just showed it to Poland shamelessly ,to the freaking nation that supported them with open arms.

You mean that staged show in Bucha? Where "dead bodies" started to rise up once filming car is passed them (as was seen in a rear view mirror on published video) and still no victims names list available? Maybe because people who survive shelling of Bucha from AFU side may witness that he buried their unfortunate neigbours with multiple wounds from ukrainian nail-like shrapnel and it was hard to expect that russian army used that weapon on their own positions that was in Bucha?

But yes, that show was used as a "point of no return" for breaking any possibility of agreement that would stop exrermination of Slavs and decrease cash flow to US MICC. Just like massacre in Odessa Trade Union house became point of no return for Donbass people, marking for them impossibility to live in a same country, controlled by banderites.

I saw the video that supposedly showed that and didn't see any such thing.... but believe what you want to belive, you're only russian so it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

Insignificant little country.

It wasn't staged.


I've seen that video - you posted it and you claimed someone's hand "twitched" and I haven't seen anything like that in that video. You're either sick in the head or a terrible liar.

Did you looked into metadata of video you have seen? Unfortunately, I didn't have a copy of that video that was published before fragments with camera passing through rear mirror became very popular...

But what about nail-like shrapnel (found by EU experts) in bodies that by ukrainian words was "executed by russians"? How do you may imagine execution from 152 mm howitzer?

He means what his German presstitutes told him to mean.
It's this kind of bootlickers that gave you 27 million dead and WW2 to the rest of us. Without them, Hitler would be playing with his dog and Eva 24/7.

No, what about it? It was you who posted that video on PF, remember? You claimed that a hand of one man twitched in that video and you weren't writing anything about any metadata of that video. And I've watched that video many times, looking for that "hand twitching" and it simply wasn't there.


Link?


Ask Kim Jong Un.

Btw, I've read some time ago a detailed article about the findings of the investigation done by the New York Times into the Bucha massacre. If I find it, I'll post it.

Version for a stupid people...

theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/24/dozens-bucha-civilians-killed-flechettes-metal-darts-russian-artillery

Title : Dozens of Bucha civilians were killed by metal darts from Russian artillery
First chapter of text: Dozens of civilians who died during the Russian occupation of the Ukrainian city of Bucha were killed by tiny metal arrows from shells of a type fired by Russian artillery, forensic doctors have said.

So, either it is assumed that Russians is mor0nic enough to fire old Soviet shrapnel rounds (imprecise lethal weapons) to their own positions of Bucha, killing both civilians and their own soldiers, either it is assumed that readers is complete mor0ns that is ready to buy any cr@p... And that foresinc doctors probably is also experts in ballistics?

And yes, former Soviet arsenals, that was left in Ukraine after Soviet Union decay, contained millions of such 122 mm 3Ш1 shrapnel rounds.

And note that all Bucha "noise" started few days after Russian troops withdrawn from Bucha and AFU reentered the area. Looks like there were some time needed to execute locals who allegedly collaborate with Russian military and then stage a large show, showing it as a victims of russians.

But idea that Russians shot shrapnel rounds to area with their own troops is definitely prepared for complete mor0ns...

What on Earth are you talking about? lol It didn't cross your mind they were using them during fighting with Ukrainian forces?


From what I remember "the noise" started right away after Bucha was retaken by Ukrainian soldiers.


Sure, hundreds of locals were collaborating with RuSSians in the Kyiv suburbs lol You must be a real moron to believe something like that.

I think this is this NYT article I've read:

nytimes.com/2022/12/22/video/russia-ukraine-bucha-massacre-takeaways.html

Those are the results of a 8-month-long investigation.

Is there any official releases from qualified foresinc experts that had access to a original witnesses and materials and who is legally responsible for their conclusions?

The rest is just a propaganda cr@p...

It's the Ukrainian version of Iraqis throwing Kuwaiti babies out of incubators. This lie was delivered by some broad at the UN for the world to gasp and start Gulf 1. It worked.

Which foresinc experts? Ukrainian? :) Send by International Criminal Court? The UN? Which ones would please you? Did RuSSia start any investigation into those war crimes?

ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/12/un-report-details-summary-executions-civilians-russian-troops-northern

"In the initial weeks of the invasion of Ukraine, Russian armed forces summarily executed or carried out attacks on individuals leading to the deaths of hundreds of civilians, the Head of the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine, Matilda Bogner said today. A UN Human Rights report based on the work of the Mission details how Russian troops killed civilians in Ukrainian towns and villages across the Kyiv, Chernihiv and Sumy regions of Ukraine from 24 February until 6 April 2022.

Bogner said the summary executions examined in the report may constitute a war crime. "There are strong indications that the summary executions documented in this report may constitute the war crime of willful killing," she said.

The report explains how killings of civilians were not confined to specific locations, although some areas were more affected than others. In the town of Bucha near Kyiv, which was under the control of Russian troops from 5 to 30 March, the Mission documented the killing of 73 civilians (54 men, 16 women, 2 boys and 1 girl) and is in the process of corroborating an additional 105 alleged killings."


How do you know? It's often the media that uncover all kinds of stuff, scandals, crimes, etc.


How do you know?

Looks like there is heavy fighting around Avdiivka. There is apparantly footage showing that Russia has lost 1 Su-25, 15 tanks and 30 BMP in an attempt to encircle the town.

I have said it before and I will say it again.I am on the flightpath of British and American aircraft sending aid to Ukraine, since early this morning and until about 6pm tonight,they were every two minutes.......

You are lucky that you are not on a flightpath of planes, transporting stolen and sold aid to Middle East, Africa and Latin America. ;)

Or under a bunch flying rainbow unicorns... which are just as real as your insignificant russian blatherings....

CHECHEN JIHADISTS FIGHTING ON AFU SIDE ARE ANGRY WITH ZELENSKY FOR SUPPORTING ISRAEL

WATCH

bitchute.com/video/cCmm0jZETGRR/

Hey, Crn, stop capitalizing where lowercase letters would actually do better. All caps don't read well and tell the reader that you are angry.

Saw the video with this idiot.

He thought that he could better achieve a Sharia Law-based independent Ichkeria (Chechen Dreamland), by fighting for Jewish-led, NATO-funded Ukraine against Russia? Hahahaha.

Now he's upset his Jewish boss supports Israel over his Palestinian brothers? Oh Ahmed... you're fighting for the wrong side.

Somebody should draw that mosaic of hate...I am lost...

Hamas behaved like the Russians in Ukraine, raping, torturing and murdering anyone they could get their hands on. It is obvious which side Ukraine supports, as well as NATO or the EU.

You do realize that what you just claimed is pure crap, don't you, and that you have no evidence to support it - even from Z's guys...


Is this some kind of sick poetry or prose to be taken literally?

Exactly!

@Novichok

Rich, why do you have such a problem with the truth when it doesn't suit your views?

Just face facts and be honest!

Muslims can be just as evil as Russians, if not more so.

That argument is OK except that it is not the whole truth.
Anybody can be just as evil - including sweet mature grandmas who never had a speeding ticket. I have evidence in support of this claim.

What I will never accept is all-inclusive crap like this:


Even retarded kids don't say such things. I am alive today because my mother was not raped and murdered by either Germans or Russians.

..." murdering anyone they could get their hands on"... Really? What an a-hole...

Sadly, I am afraid that is the reality with some of the more extreme Russian and Islamic fighters.

Now that was much better...That four-letter word made a huge difference. I mean "some".

Does that mean it is all OK then Rich?