Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

Gaza isn`t enough, you mongrel hypocrite. When you dwell in the sewers , you don`t want to be limited only to East London sewers, but encroach also into exlusive West London ones. Ha!

This is Palestinian "culture".... (actually it's bog standard Islamic doctrine) and what you support to replace Israel....

״Wife-Beating Should Be Therapeutic, Not Vindictive״.

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While radical Islamic culture, including that of Hamas is completely fvcked up, it does not represent the majority of Paletinians. Lets remember, it was the US and a bunch of Jews who established the state of Israel after WW2 without the approval of those already living in the Palestinian state. Sorry, but neither side is innocent in that war, and once again, the US has no business being involved in that war between tribes.

Meanwhile, in Ukraine, Russians are getting killed in very high numbers. Ukraine is making some moves, but once again, will they prove big enough? Almost at the end of October and the weather is going to get really wet before things freeze. Still no new money for Ukraine, and there wont be until a house speaker is elected. Now that their are 8 republicans running for the position, it make be some time before things are sorted out. Again, time for people to start talking while they still can.

🇩🇪🗳️ Germany's right-wing party AfD now at 23% in national polls. Chancellor party of Social Democrats down to 15%, Greens down to 13%.

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Ohoho, the rise of the antisemites. What does the jewSA ally say to this?

You forgot to add that Mrs. Sara Wagenknecht's new party is currently being established in Germany. She wants to take away AfD voters, especially those who are dissatisfied and do not want to vote for right-wing radicals.

I read that Sahra Wagenknecht founds a new left-wing party - with anti-immigrant positions and against the climate politics of the Greens. A couple of representatives of the Lewica have already joined her.

How do you know?

Where are they, the others who don't agree, the majority. You don't see them...not even in our western cities!

What I posted is not 'radical' it is absolutely mainstream muslim doctrine.... and if Hamas didn't represent them why did they win an election to do just that (and why did Abbas cancel elections that Hamas would have probably won in the West Bank).

Israel is very far from perfect but a large percentage of Israelis would like peace, an overwhelming majority of Palestinians only want peace if it comes after driving all the Jews into the sea. They could not be clearer about their intentions and yet some are shocked when they act upon them.

@mafketis
Who TF said anything about your post? Not me. As for Hamas, and other terrorist groups, its not surprising when they get elected. After all, CDL all voted to become part of Russia didnt they? And what about the fact, undisputed, that Israel is actually a lot like an occupying force in the Palestinian state that existed before Israel existed? The Palestinian state that had Muslims, Jews and Christians all in the same place. History cannot be ignored. Living in an open air prison like Gaza might create a lot of hate, so who constructed the prison? Not saying the Hamas attack was justified, or good. Just saying people need to get their history right.

@Bratwurst Boy
I have met quite a few Paletinians in my travels in the US and in the middle east the 8 times I have been there. Not once did I feel threatened and not once did they say anything rude or controversial to the "American". We cant put everyone from one ethnic group or religious group in the same basket. If we did that, there would be no blacks supporting MAGA.

I competley agree

Agreed, but that begs the question of when was there a historical state of Palestine? Or do you mean a region?

Before the current state of Israel there was the British mandate (before that the Ottomans).

Most arabs in the region rejected any kind of peaceful settlement and still continue to reject it. If the palestinians really wanted peace they could have it --- they don't. They want to drive the Jews into the sea (literally or metaphorically).

There won't be peace until they give that dream up.

That!

@mafketis
And, looking at the size of the state of Israel that was suppossed to be created and what it is now, you begin to understand where some paletinians will take issue. Lets be honest, Gaza is nothing more than a very large prison. The people in it are treated like prisoners. Not exactly what anyone would consider to being treated in any "godly" manner.

And there wont be peace in Ukraine until someone gives their dream up. But here we are, myself included, supporting Ukraine because of what we believe are just causes. While many of us, myself included, should look at the Russian side. And as I have suggested, both sides need to come to a deal. Just like Israel and Palestine need to come to a fair and equitable settlement.

I think you're missing the point, PAK. The so-called Palestinians have been rejecting a fair and equitable two state solution since 1947. It is the Israelis who have been the constant in wanting to settle for peace. It is the Palestinians who have been the constant in rejecting any kind of fair and equitable settlement. The Palestinians do not believe Israel should exist.

Israel grew since it was founded, because Arabs have attacked them and with Israeli victories came territory.

I don't think Israel has always been angelic and is without fault, but they must be given credit for trying to find equitable solutions; whereas, the Palestinians must be acknowledged for being the party that has continually rejected equitable solutions because they are not shy in voicing their desire to see Israel being rubbed off the map. The conditions in Gaza have more to do with Palestinians, than Israelis.

A deal can be made between Russia and Ukraine, but I'm not sure one can be made between Palestine and Israel as one attempt after another has been rejected.

@AntV
I am really just pointing out that what we, Ukraine supporters, are saying about Israel being justified in their actions and grabbing territory, then why arent we making the same argument for Russia in taking territory. Forget that Russia is the agressor because if Palestine was taking territory we already know the US and Israel and every Ukraine supporter would be ready to destroy every last palestinian. I am only trying to point out the double standards being used in this instance again.

Palestine existed before Israel. Thats the argument. Israel is the invading force from the Palestine point of view. No one will ever reach a fair agreement in any war until they take the point of view of their enemy and try to understand it.

I do agree that it is Hamas initiating the actions. I dont agree that Israels gains through prior conflicts are a fair and just way of creating the Israel state or a Palestine state. If we agree that Israels gains are just, then why arent Russias gains since Ukraine was once part of Russia? Just pointing out the need for all of us to look back at history and the ongoing clashes with a little more insight as to the whay and what, not just the who is right or wrong in each instance.

That is a load of bollox, the so called UN plan "gave" more land to the minority who proceded to build a state by ethnically cleansing the locals. That was not a fair or equitable proposal. Ethnic cleansing was necessary because zionists would have lost any election that would have been held. Again it was the US that pressed for partition rather than national elections. The British moved their anti colonial police from Ireland to Palestine to decimate Palestinian society.

Racist tropes like
"we made the desert bloom"
"there was no one here before us"
"they are all nomads"
"we are bringing civilisation"
and a whole lot more do nothing but justify colonialism. These tropes are necessary to de humanise and de legimitise people so the colonists can then you can do what they like which is usually a type of genocide.

Thank you, again. Your posts relieve me of doing it myself.


Whataboutism at its very best. That was a compliment. I like whataboutism - if for nothing else than to demo poster's open mind.

why is hamas and israel being brought up in the Ukrainian thead wtf? negotiations by autumn 2024, but till then those ATACMS cluster munitions and Boeing/SAAB co-production GLSDB are going to smash the ruskis. ie 150-300km range smash the supply lines and also their attack bases. Precision strikes. I feel sorry for the conscripts but no so much for the big money volunteeers.

You are arguing with Darwin. Good luck with that...
Next: Why evil whites "discovered" America instead of "Indians" discovering Europe.


...and the "ruskis" will just sit there and do nothing?
If they ever tell Putin to get lost, it will be to replace him with a guy twice as mean, not Gandhi.

the ruskis will do what the ruskis have always done, reply with soviet union sh*t. stuck in time. unf the world has moved on and usa has the most hi-tech stuff that will blow your mind.

What do you mean by that? There was no state of Palestine, like Maf pointed out, there was Brit control after WWI and Ottoman rule the prior 400 years. Hell, there wasn't even an idea of a Palestinian people until 200 years ago--they were arabs who lived in the area known as Palestine. The name came to differentiate themselves from other non-Arab peoples in the area.

I completely agree that we must look at the other side, but I've come to my conclusions based on looking at the Palestinian side and I see nothing that indicates they want to live side-by-side with the Israelis. Look at the more recent attempts, such as the Clinton brokered deal that Arafat blew up or that thing in 2008 where the Palestinians never negotiated in good faith.

I'm not arguing whether or not gains were or were not just--that's a different argument-- but that the gains were a result of military action that were precipitated by fatahs and the like.


Yeah, the freaking Negev Desert encompassing the majority of the land. Barney, you do know that Arab populations were the ones attacking the new state of Israel from the get-go, not the other wat around?

That's not the point of this geo-political war, the point is to slowly bleed russia dry, and by extension weaken china.

How do you weaken China by bleeding Russia dry?

are you a full bore idiot? Silk Road, SCOC Shanghai Community Organisation BRI Belt and Road Initiative, (we had Melbourne, Victorian State being told by the Federal Gov to get the F out of that, Italy too) BRICS Brazil Russia India China South Africa, many more want to join

70 Percent of the world either support russia or they ambilivant.

@amiga500

I guess I am, but you prove you aren't much less an idiot. All you did was make a list. Now explain how any of that relates to weakening China by bleeding Russia dry. It's not that I disagree with you, it's that I'm curious to know how it works-or, at least, how you think it works.

That wasn't much different during the original Cold War.....and look who won in the end!

The West did not win the Cold War, only the East lost it and fell apart.

*shrugs*

Okay....semantics! :)

@Alien

Scratches head

How's that? Why did the East lose it? Did not western economics, technological advances, and Judeo-Christian moral principles and view of human person have an effect?