Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

Stop worrying about Udmurtia. It's your Polish brain that needs medical attention.

Why not? IIRC, Helsinki Accords between others is about establishing the inviolability of European frontiers. So, go back to USSR borders, b!tches!

Excellent point, Velund. So how about the Baltics back to the Russian Federation?

@Velund
@Novichok
Russia has not the balls or the ability. Please, give the Russian chest thumping a break. Its a broken $hithole of a country. Novi, you havent been there, I have. Its a disasgter of a nation. Velund, you offer no first hand proofs of how wonderful Russia is. But what you suggest would mean a wolrd war, so why not? Conventional warfare at this point, Russia could never win against NATO. If you are suggesting nuclear, then you simply want the end of humanity.

Spot on!!!

You are too emotional now. Relax.
I noticed you can show extreme emotions at times - from utterly pessimistic to exuberantly optimistic.
What`s the matter????

PAK, I have to confess that for the reasons I can't easily explain I hate Western globalists more than the Chinese and Russian ruling class.

My best guess is that it's the open borders and the invasion by the non-white scum that these motherfvckers not only do not oppose but actually promote. The second reason - their powerlessness in controlling crime. In "communist" Poland, they were jamming Radio Free Europe but the streets were safe. I will take safe every day.

The death penalty in the US is a joke...We have it and we don't at the same time. In China, it takes two years. Here, 30 years to execute a scumbag. When did we last time execute a drug smuggler?

@pawian
Nothing wrong at all. People here want the US to keep funding and doing everything, yet they want to take shots at how bad a place it is? I get it. most Americans when they come to Europe are pretty stupid looking. Most dress the same, ask questions that can come across as stupid etc. Most people here though who are not American, have no stake in what the US does or doesnt do. The US is still the most free nation on earth. Its fvcked up in places now that I would have never dreams it could be, and in others where I completely expected it to be. Some peoples agenda's here to push certain ideology, not only economic, is obvious, and I apologize if my being tired of talking to socialists and ideologists causes me to poke a little harder at them from time to time. But please point out where I am wrong in stating what Trump will do if he wins, and what will happen.

@Novichok
Global economies cannot be completely disconnected now, we have gone too far. The globalist initiaties are a lot like the socialist initiatives. Great theory and nothing more. In real life there are winners and losers. Thats it. Not everyone can win, and not everyone should. Competition is what is needed more than cooperation. It was and will eventually go back to this. Every 10 years, the globalist create some bull$hit to rally everyone up. In the 70's acid rain. In the 80's we were headed for an ice age. In the 90's there was a hole in the ozone layer. 2000 Al Gore told us the ice caps would be all gone in ten years. Now we have global warming and in the US it will be record snowfall this year. And every ten years every freak that needs a cause to rally behind gets one. Greta Thunberg is a climate expert, as much as Al Gore invented the internet. My point with all this is that these people who rally behind these 10 year cycles need a boogey man to fight, they need a cause. Russia in Ukraine is another boogey man for these types. There are three things I hate. Dictators, socialists and communists. Putin is a dictator. But there are a whole bunch of socialists on PF who think the US should continue to ignore its own problems in order to solve Ukraines. While I am all for defeating Vlad, I am not for it when I have seen first hand what the globalist socialists have done to the US. If we would have listened to these idiots for the last fifty years, we would be wearing acid proof raincoats, living in igloos, breathing from oxygen tanks, while Florida was under water, and people on the south pole would be going to the beach.

Meanwhile, Belarus has thousands of Ukraine children getting trained in their military. Sorry Novi, that is not a rescue that is a kidnapping Patty Hearst style. And now American military is saying Z needs to start being honest about where the war is, while Russia continues to throw thousands of men at Avdiivka. We got more than a week before congress begins to look at any more funding for Ukraine. The only good thing for Ukraine is that Israel is pi$$ing off people in the US and support for them is evaporating like the ozone layer did in the 90's.

So, now we have competition between US and Russia+China for a global influence. Why are you unhappy?

russia can't hope to compete with either the US and China. In any field one of the other will clearly dominate.... even russian strengths like 'causing famines' pale in comparison with China...

what is russia's strength that 10 (at least) other countries don't do better?

@Velund
If you think China is in it "with" Russia you are delusional. Xi is playing Vlad like Chopin. Xi is waiting to take back all the land on the asian continent that was once theirs. Sound familiar? China is not going to abandon its business with the US simply because the US is the largest consumer groups of their economy. The US needs Russia only to justify its military and military spending. The "multi polar" order imagined by Vlad will not happen and China is taking Russias place. Soon, Russia will be nothing more than an open pit mine for its resources. Sanctions will not be eased for decades, and Vlad will die. Then the fighting in Moscow begins and the rest of the world will once again witness how quickly Russia will get torn apart internally. The ony thing keeping Russia from becoming a colder version of Africa is the ability to actually mine its resources and sell them. If not for that, Russians wouldnt just be $hitting in outhouses, they would have a lot of waring tribes running around contolling different parts of the continent.

That's why I have my bulls*it detector tuned to perfection. My other detector has been flashing red for decades because of the invasion from Mexico and the "national" debt.

Those two will destroy this great country - unsustainable and devious in their slowness that makes both hard to notice and react to.

Just yesterday, the local news reported that Cook county will "allocate" 100 million dollars for "the asylum seekers". The report didn't explain where this money will come from and that another 100,000 "asylum seekers" are already on the way here.

One day, somebody will explain to me how the US with a party and a half is democratic and Russia with five is not.

Everything that is open for US MIC lobby is democratic, otherwise not. Period.


China is neighbour of Russia, so we do not need advices from other side of the pond how to deal with each other. And attempts to make "painful ulcers" using minor neighbours to "contain" competition to US will not be tolerated. See Ukraine as example. Taiwan is waiting.

How well are things going for russia?

Solovyvov thinks women in prison who have medical training should be sent to the front as doctors and nurses...

twitter.com/Prune602/status/1661197835583254531

that well....

Meh...

I doubt it.

China is a lover, not a fighter. Their last war was in 1979, against the Communist Vietnamese. The latter had toppled China's only puppet at the time (Cambodia's Khmer Rouge - a regime worse than Hitler's), and China felt it had to punish the Vietnamese. Despite overwhelming superiority in arms and men, China ended up getting its ass kicked by the battle hardened Vietnamese.

Here's a wider brief of China's experience in foreign relations:

1) 13th century - the Mongols, a people with 1/200th of China's population - wreck the Song Empire. For a good century and a half, the Chinese become second class citizens in their own country.

2) In the 14th century, the Han Chinese had seemingly had enough, and kick out the Mongols. Power transitions back to the ethnically Chinese Ming dynasty. It doesn't last very long, however, as in the 1600s the Chinese are again destroyed by a neighboring minnow - this time the Manchus. Just like the Mongols, the Manchus of the Qing Dynasty spend the next couple centuries humiliating the Chinese, by forcing on them weird hairstyles, and lots of other funny things.

3) China enters the 20th century, still under the rule of the foreign Manchus (a Tungussic speaking people, basically southern Eskimos). It's weakened by being plundered by the Western Great Powers, but still standing. However, it is soon plunged into a decades long de facto civil war. In the process, they also get absolutely smashed by the Japanese.

Long story short - it's been a very long time since China has successfully conquered anything, with the exception of the barren alpine plateau that is Tibet.

The Chinese do not make good soldiers. They are good farmers, good craftsmen, good thinkers, but not good fighters.

Meanwhile, the modern popular Chinese nickname for Russia is 战斗民族, which roughly means "Fighting Nation". They think we ride bears, smash vodka bottles over our heads, and are generally crazy.

@Velund
Really? Thats the best you got. Your arguments are not only weak, but nonsensical. China is coming for its land that Russia took from them. Count on that. China and the US will fight in Taiwan, over Taiwan only if Biden is President. If not, Xi just STFU and take it. There will be no war between China and the US on either of their territories. See Ukraine as example? WTF are you talking about? Russia is losing a generation of men and they cant even take Ukraine. Your country is more pathetic than your arguments.

Surely you can admit, that Ukraine still stands only thanks to the extraordinary level of support they received and continue to receive from the West?

By the same token, I can point out that America struggled to defeat not even an Ukraine type country, but a third world sh!thole like Vietnam.

When you were in Afghanistan and Iraq, there wasn't even a superpower on the other side. Not sure what your excuse is for those two wars, regarding why they went so poorly for you. Iran supplying instructions on how to make homemade IEDs? Hahaha

@Bobko
I do admit and have said, without the US, Ukraine would be all Russian long ago. Vietnam, if you remember history, was suppossed to be over when Kennedy signed a presidential order to withdraw all troops. After he was assasinated, Johnson revoked the order because the CIA needed to justify its existance. Afghanistan and Iraq were justified killings based on the information at the time. There was never a plan to take over either of those countries, and Iraq is still a democratic republic today. All of these middle east countries are $hit hole religious nightmares and we should let them kill each other off.

I appreciate your historic view on China. However they now have over 2 million active military and more than another half million in reserve. They could cut through Siberia and there would be nothing Russia could do to stop them. Especially now with the Russian military in such a depleted and disorganized state.

Please, let us know name of a drug you are using. Seems it is much stronger than regular LSD.. ;)

I'm not sure there's much we would have to do - to be completely honest.

We ourselves, have problems moving through Siberia. 120 years ago, the last Tsar built the Trans Siberian Railway - we still use it to this day, and it's constantly at risk of buckling under the sheer weight of freight that has to move across it. Then in the 70s, the government built the Baikal Amur Mainline, or BAM. These two railroads, and a single highway is the only way to get from the Far East to the West.

Everything else is absolutely impassable terrain. When we were developing some new oil field in Siberia, or building some new dam, the process is usually preceded by engineers literally using amphibious armored personnel carriers to cross forest paths and swamps.

Russia is not America. Siberia is not like your West, a conquered frontier. It is still largely wild.

Siberia would swallow 2, 3, 4 million Chinese without noticing.

We could sit in Western Russia, and not even react as they make their way West.

Another argument:

The benefits accruing to China, from going for Siberia, are probably less than keeping Russia as a sort of "attack dog".

Xi can have a nice, pleasant summit with Biden in San Francisco. With his other hand, he can give us support, which allows us to guide Hamas actions, kick the French out of Africa, provide support to Iran, and rejuvenate North Korea.

Having Russia as an ally, is much more powerful than stealing Siberia from Russia, and forcing it into the embrace of the West.

That proves our insanity. The enemy, the civilians with AKs, would reconstitute in three seconds or less after the last US Marine left. To prevent it, we would have to be there forever.

We are still in Korea.

@Novichok

So long as we continue to quarrel with each other, these tangential issues will continue to give us grief.

Russia and America are natural allies. Heck, I would prefer America over China - as a friend.

The tragedy is that we've constantly been at each others throats, while others orchestrate their rise.

When the two of us work together, no one else would dare raise their head.

In my dreams, you, PAK, Bobko, and I will one day have dinner to see who would outcynic the other three.
To leave nothing in doubt, I like cynics and I appreciate how PAK elevated cynicism to a virtue with his patient and well-written posts.
Did I mention that I hate gullible bootlickers - aka the Believers - more than any other group?

In general the Chinese are much better at building and maintaining infrastructure than russians are (who isn't?)

I imagine Chinese in general (and those in russia expecially) think of the Chinese much like this guy thinks of Africans in the documentary Empire of Dust (2011) All that potential and what do they do with it?

youtu.be/4LSuZGlqL34?t=4361

nb the movie ends at around 1.15, then it starts again (probably a posting tactic)

That's what I said many posts ago.
I wonder how we managed to spend months in space as friends...
BTW, thanks for the rides...

I think anyone that looks at Russia on a map thinks that. Including Russians.

We're a messed up bunch - no doubt. But the world learns from our mistakes. We perform an important function through our suffering.

The Chinese are better than us, at most things. However, those few things in which we are better than the Chinese are very important.

As Archilocus said: "A fox knows many things, but a hedgehog knows one big thing."

Russia knows one big thing.

I am so disappointed...Not even one a-hole, moron, or FY?

I mean he has a point.

With its potential, Russia should be some galactic superpower.

russia doesn't want that... (or it does but has only wrong ideas about how to get there).