Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

One thing for sure...Russia was never an aggressive nation by Western standards. Russia never had colonies. Russia doesn't have dozens of military bases all over the world.

Russia's arms are defensive since it does not have 10 aircraft groups. Russia's military budget is a laughable 80 billion bucks vs. close to a trillion here. The Warsaw Pact is all gone but NATO, like cancer, metastasized - always looking for another oppo to justify its existence.

Personally, I didn't see any evidence that would make me dislike the USSR's presence in Poland to offset the presence of the US army in Germany.

Life in Poland was as normal as on the day I left the country in 1967.

What else can I say to pi$$ off Russia haters here...

Russians are a lazy folk.

As in the classic Russian fairy tale about Ivanushka Durachok (Ivan the Stupid), who slept for 40 years on an oven, and then woke up to be a superhero - we only like "big", "heroic", "epic" fears of labor.

Another Russian aphorism, is that "Russians are slow to saddle up, but quick to ride".

We know we are a little slothsome, and we need big motivation to show our worth.

Poles are the "Christ Among Nations" - extolling their suffering. Russians are similar, except - we first create our problems, then apply titanic efforts to resolve them.

Life is the struggle to survive, to be noticed.

Now tell us why Inner Mongolia is still vast undeveloped and poor area. More hospitable than Siberian swamps, but still undeveloped and mostly not enouygh geologically studied. Why majority of Chinese population live in a "belt" near southern shore, and around the capital?

What do you call Yakutia, the Baltics, Tatarstan, Chechnya, Georgeia, Armenia, the Warsaw Pact countries? All classic colonies....


very dumb, you left because you couldn't make enough money and a big reason for that was that Poland was being drained of resources by the CCCP....

No. Overall cash flow was in opposite direction, compared to classic colonies.

You tell fairy tales.

Things that Udmurtia is better than China at

- football
- drinking
- amateur ****
- er....
- that's it

He tells the truth.

Tell us how Poland and Hungary made the Soviet Union rich.


1) Chess
2) Olympics
3) Coding
4) Maths olympiads
5) Physics olympiads
6) Chemistry Olympiads
7) War
8) Literature
9) Music
10) Art
11) Film
12) Again, music

Polish and Hungarian products had a "foreign exchange input" and were sold to russia for rubles or for iron ore (of quite poor quality).

@Alien

Are you an idiot?

Sure, we bought your stupid textiles, cosmetics, and cars that no normal person would wear or drive.

In return we supplied you with essentially free and infinite energy and raw materials.

Ask anybody on Wall St. which is more important.

Hungarian Ikarus buses operated in all russian cities. Polish clothing and cosmetics were a substitute for luxury on the russian market. There were also electronics and meat, etc.

I don't know if they made it rich, but I remember reading about exploitation of Poland by the Soviet Union. And I don't mean just the whole factories (and even... mills o_O), etc. being stolen from Poland by the Soviets and transported to the Soviet Union right after the war ended.


And ships made in Gdańsk shipyard and sold for peanuts to the Soviet Union if I recall right. Actually, that shipyard was building ships mainly for the Soviet Union. And, btw, that's where the Solidarity movement was born - at the Gdańsk shipyard producing ships for the Soviet Union. Isn't it beautifully ironic? :)


Like coal? lol:

cejsh.icm.edu.pl/cejsh/element/bwmeta1.element.desklight-7b350952-3a53-45f2-9210-43f9fbe172be

"Polish coal played an important role in economic relations between the People's Republic of Poland and the USSR. Its resources constituted an important element of the Soviet policy towards Poland. In 1946-1953, the forced deliveries of black fuel were a kind of donation. The Soviet authorities explained them with losses in war reparations as a result of the transfer of German lands on the Oder and Nysa Łużycka to Poland, with rich coal resources in Silesia. The Soviet Union also did not refrain from taking over some of the Polish coal deposits as a result of the forced correction of the borders in the east in 1951. Deliveries of "reparative" coal at lower prices brought Poland serious financial losses and inhibited the development of economic relations with Western countries. The export of coal under trade agreements concluded from 1945 was also economically unfavorable. The Soviet authorities imposed both excessive quotas and difficult financial conditions. From 1949, for this purpose, they used the price and exchange rate mechanism applied by the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance. Only in the 1960s did it become beneficial for Poland, and in the following decades it brought losses. The export of coal to the USSR, which in the 1980s amounted to 30% of total exports, caused a deficit of fuels on the domestic market, made it difficult to use the existing economic potential and maintain an adequate standard of living of the population. The political transformation after 1989, which introduced market regulations to foreign trade, led to the collapse of coal exports to the USSR."

A friend tells me how during a school trip to Minsk he sold Polish perfume (być może iirc) on the black market and made a nice profit....

On the other hand, look up the black book of Polish censorship and pay attenttion to how all sorts of economic transactions to the CCCP was not to be covered in the PRL media...

Coal is good.

What about oil and gas?

??


Poland at first was getting gas for free from the Soviet Union for... financing the bulding of the part of the Soviet pipeline that was going through Poland. Later, gas and oil was being used by the Soviet Union to blackmail the communist government in Poland (just like RuSSia has been doing it):

biznes.gazetaprawna.pl/artykuly/950820,gazowa-petla-czyli-jak-w-zsrr-powstaly-gazociagi.html

As for oil - it was already Gierek who started oil diversification (Naftoport was built in Gierek times and Poland was importing oil from Iran, among others):

money.pl/gielda/polska-odcina-sie-od-rosyjskiej-ropy-dywersyfikacje-zawdzieczamy-gierkowi-6753544979692032a.html

Strange, isn't it? Why commies wanted to become independent from Soviet oil import, if it was so cheap and great? :)

Yes, genius, it's the USSR that drains money from Appalachia and Mississippi, from 600,000 homeless, 38 million below the poverty level, from our schools with lead in the walls and stupid kids between them who can't read and do math but know everything about self-esteem, gay pride, and how to loot...That damn USSR just refuses to go away...


13) Fastest fighter planes
14) ISS taxi
15) Masha and the Bear
16) Cleanest subway in the world
17) Patience with PF haters

More to come...

The last time I checked Appalachia and Mississippi weren't in Poland. Mafketis wrote about Poland. Can't you read or are you retarded?


Yes and because the Soviet Union forced the communist system on Poland.

And watches, too !!!! hahahaha buhahahaha I can`t...... hahahahaha

...and tried to blame post-war poverty on the USSR but without explaining poverty elsewhere.

So my question is: how is the USSR draining money here? Somebody is. So maybe Poland was robbed by the Polish collaborators just as the US is plundered by the Mob and the Wh0res...the enemy within...

Poland was shipping a lot of stuff to the SU. What the US Mob ships is a lot worse. They ship American jobs out and leave decaying towns, drug addicts, and broken families behind.


Polish collaborators didn't seem forced. In fact, they were more than happy to play along and get their sklepy za zoltymi finankami.
BTW, Poland was never communist, idiot...

What "post-war" poverty? Didn't you leave Poland in the 60s? o_O


"Maybe"... lol You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? :)


If you mean Polish communists then you're right, but even in their case you're only partly right, because they were trying to become more independent from Moscow.


It had a communist political system - that's what it was called. And what made Poland poor long-term was what was characteristic for communist countries - a centrally planned economy, also known as a command economy, as opposed to market economy in the Western Europe (which was also affected by WWII) and in the country to which you emigrated to from that PRL "paradise" - the United States of America :)

Yes, genius, let's see how that most advanced un-planned capitalistic economy works...for 600,000 homeless, 38 million below the poverty level, our schools with lead in the walls and stupid kids between them who can't read and do math but know everything about self-esteem, gay pride, and how to loot...

Or are you now going to add an asterisk: Except the US.


I am so sorry. I forgot that WW2 had almost no impact in Poland, and whatever impact it had was all fixed by the end of 1945. You are so brilliant...

Well, it must've worked better than centrally planned economy in Poland and in other communist countries or you wouldn't have moved to the US and you didn't move anywhere else for another decades of your life :))


Don't put words into my mouth. I didn't claim that.

But it's enough to compare how West Germany and East Germany fared (both affected by WWII, since it was one country before it got divided) and are still faring to see how much damage the communist rule and centrally planned economy did. It was the West Germany that had to help East Germany financially after the reunification and not the other way around (an article from 2010):

dw.com/en/eastern-germany-is-western-germanys-trillion-euro-bet/a-6016271

"An estimated 1.3 trillion euros ($1.7 trillion) have flowed from the former West Germany to the former East Germany over the last 20 years. And the tab is still running. To this day, the East is gobbling up subsidies estimated between 70 and 80 billion euros a year. That lifeline will continue for at least another nine years when funds from the Solidarity Pact are slated to end. Even then, structurally poor states, such as Brandenburg and Mecklenburg-West Pomerania, can expect to receive further cash infusions through the Federal State Financial Equalization program"

That depends on what the objectives are. If not for central planning, Russia would be Brazil today - a weak mess dancing all day long on the beach. Because it was planned, it is a nuclear superpower nobody can touch. Today, a war with Germany would last 30 minutes. The same with China. If China was a free no-nuke economy Xi would not be greeted in the US the way he was.

Ukraine to Russia is like Vietnam to the US, so don't go there - except that the US already lost Vietnam. It only proves that soft and slow is pure evil and ultimate stupidity.

Yeah, it's $h1t but the Russian and Chinese systems are even worse.....

You stated your objectives in leaving Poland for the US pretty clearly - money :))


Nonsense. You have no idea what RuSSia would be today. The example of the US shows that a country doesn't have to have a centrally planned economy in order to become a nuclear superpower ;D


I didn't "go there" - we're discussing now centrally planned economy vs market economy, how communist and capitalist countries fared and not how RuSSia views Ukraine or the Vietnam war o_O

Quoting:

According to the Hurun Global Rich List 2023, China housed the highest number of billionaires worldwide in 2023. In detail, there were 969 billionaires living in China. By comparison, 691 billionaires resided in the United States.

So I guess they learned how to have clean and safe streets, one autocratic party that doesn't need fake elections, scum-proof borders, and all those billionaires with condos in Hawaii.

So what?
Who cares?
How well off are ordinary Chinese is the stat you should be looking for and then compare their standard of living to North Americans,Australasians and Europeans....come back to us when you have those stats.......

But that was possible because China turned to market economy :)))


China's population - 1.4118 billion
The US' population - almost 340 mln
India - 1.428 billion people with 167 billionaires
Switzerland - 8.6 mln people with 41 billionaires
RuSSia - 147.2 million people with 110 official billionaires
Vietnam - 99 mln people with 6 billionares

So, considering the population size the US has a lot of billionaires.


That's true.

There are around 28 billionares in Thailand and 27 or 30 in Spain. So, the number of billionares is similar, but life standard for ordinary people is much lower in Thailand.

That's precious coming from a woman who is safe courtesy of the military superpower whose central government planning - like the one in the USSR - had absolutely nothing to do with free capitalistic economy.

In fact, the US military expenditures you now owe your freedom to ruin our economy. You see, dumbass, what we spend on tanks we don't spend on roads, bridges, and schools.

That is why Europe is so happy with the American military welfare it is on. It can divert the money it does not spend on its security toward making life very pleasant for its citizens and the foreign scum.

If not for the Soviet-style central planning by the US, NATO would not exist and you would be crapping in your panties wondering what Russia's next move might be.


While still communist!!!