Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

Exactly.

150M is a joke.

Pre-1991 300M was even insufficient.

People say that for Russia to be stable, it needs 400-600M people.

There is no path to that without banning all abortions, and opening all doors for immigrants.

We probably won't recognize the Russia that emerges on the other end.

What part of this monster will still be Russian?

What immigrants (who don't have a history in the cultural sphere) want to go to a country without functional property rights, no free speech, no ability to protest, endemic violence and crime?

Start a nice profitable business and how long do you get to keep it?

russia has never had (and still does not have) property rights in the western understanding of the term and the legal system is non-transparent and subject to interpretation by unseen higher ups...

the way to attract immigrants is to create an attractive economy and culture....

but, russia being russia, doesn't understand that and just wants to force people against their will...

loser country...

Number two destination for emigration worldwide is Russia.

That means, many people are not as picky as you.

You can take all the Europeans and Arabs.

We'll take Vietnamese, Cambodians, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Kurds, Venezuelans, South Africans, and Afghans.

Let's see, who does a better job with the raw material.

How much of that is from former Soviet republics or Soviet satellites?

Why this question?

Why does it matter?

Will you tell me, that some people are better than other people?

Different groups of people have different values (the values of the majority differ by group).

russian values (that immigrants would be expected to come to terms with) include acceptance of extreme social inequality, conformity and a dislike of ambiguous, uncertain situations.

Those aren't values that tend to attract immigrants (unless they already have such values).

Successful immigration isn't a numbers game but picking and choosing those who can adapt to local conditions. Most European countries do a lousy job with that (Germany and Sweden especially stand out for accepting people who will never be anything but a dead weight on their economies).

It's hard for me to imagine ambitious people (unless we're talking about criminal ambition) fitting into russian society....

You forget to account for the fact that the Russian system is unlivable even for many of its established players. Yet, it persists.

Everything in Russia is upside down.

Would it be crazy, then, to think that the immigrants into our country would also be uniquely-oriented individuals?

The "immigrants" to Udmurtia are mostly Udmurtians who ended up born in other Soviet republics during your years as a failed colonial power. They spent their childhoods next to some polluted nickel mines in Central Asia and now are drinking their pathetic Soviet pension in some Moscow high rise where they have to beg for the heating to be switched on

@Bobko
This is where you lose people in your arguments. Most Poles dont GAF or fear Russia invading. Everyone I know is ready to fight for their country. No one is afraid of Russia anymore. Russia didnt beat Ukraine and now Poland is prepared. The threats are nothing, and it will take Russia at least a decade to recover from all the men lost. Not to mention recreating a stockpile of weapons. China and Iran cant help with all of that. No one cares what Russia thinks in the west if they have half a brain.

Prepared for what?

A conventional assault?

A surprise rain, with 8 minutes warning, of tactical nuclear missiles which render the billions of dollars of recent purchases immediately null and void?

It's important to know what you are preparing yourself for.

We've been delicate and patient with Ukraine, for they are our blood in the end. I feel we owe you comparatively less.

Contrary to Nazi Germans, Germans of today are peaceful and businesslike.

Russians keep on being the same murderous, pillaging, raping orcs we've known for the last 500 years. Current war proves that. Zero evolution.

Choosing friends between these options was a no-brainer.

@Korvinus, I agree with your first sentence.Unlike the Russians, the Germans are on their best behavior:-)

The Katyn massacre was carried out many months after the end of the fighting, against defenseless prisoners of war who were supposed to be protected under the Geneva convention. It was straight out organized mass murder that had no military benefit.

You can take the boy out of russia, but you can't take russia out of the boy.... threats of violence are the answer to... pretty much everything.

What a degraded way to live.... always thinking about killing people.....

You really are a true Russian moron.....Poland is part of NATO now, Russian military would struggle against the well trained and well equipped Polish military, who are better than Ukraine's.But against NATO..... absolutely no chance.....and don't start with your pathetic nuclear threats.....we all know that will never happen....MAD.

Protesters in EU state blocking aid to Kiev - Ukrainian official
Polish hauliers are stopping deliveries of fuel and other goods across the border, a deputy minister has said

Polish truckers demanding tougher rules for their Ukrainian competitors have blocked more than 1,000 cargo vehicles at the border, including those carrying humanitarian aid for the embattled nation, Kiev's deputy minister for infrastructure says.

What a sweet Karma. Poles blocking aid to their beloved Nazis is hard to believe after the Poles gave their sweat, blood, and weapons to them. Poles just like the Ukrainians are two-faced hypocrites after all.

So stopping "humanitarian aid" is not a war crime but taking kids to safety is. I finally got it...Took me a while, though...I am so relieved.

@Bobko
Again you lose people and the argument with these types of posts. Little Vlad is not stupid enough to start a nuclear or conventional war with Poland/NATO. All the nuclear flexing is laughable.

Meanwhile, US Defense Secretary is in Ukraine and they are delivering the last 100 million in weapons that has been alloted to them. The next two weeks in Washington will be very interesting to watch as how they impact Ukraine.

Is putain dead? Who knows.... I don't. But this youtube channel (a russian who left the country in disgust at what it was becoming) notices....

Patrushev dressed in black gives a speech about putain using the past tense....

Patrusheve has a more and more conspicuous public footprint.....

hmmmmm

youtube.com/@INSIDERUSSIA/community

if putain did bite it (hopefully in long lasting agony) then according to generalsvr Patrushev is the de facto ruler now and his biggest priority is placing his big, wet, dishrag of a son in place as putain's successor (and blocking youtube and a program to impregnate women in prison whether they want that or not...)

We will see......

I already posted here... Russians are afraid at first, too (we are humans after all). Then still a little more afraid. And at some point they don't give a fcuk anymore. And from that point on, those who threatened them can start to be afraid.

NATO is the remotely controlled cannon fodder of the American "deep state". This meat can see in Ukraine what happens when the Russians are screwed, and they turn on the lite version of hostility (still on the other side are their own people, albeit brainwashed). There will be no lite options further west.

@bobko
I cut and paste your ahh 'interpretation' of chinese modern history to my chinese guest. no comment yet hahha. she falls asleep to podcasts about ancient chinese history.

When this started to appear online a few weeks ago, people in/from Ukraine were saying it could be maskirovka/a psyop by r*SSia.


We only see r*SSian citizens treated as cannon fodder. 300,000 is it now?


Very much so. It was a terminal mistake to invade a large neighbour.

Very true, but they said the same about Napoleon and Hitler. Never underestimate the ruskis.

@Velund
Americans, and Poles stopped being afraid of Russia a long time ago. Your country is pathetic. It offers nothing but pro$titute$ and athletes that use steroids. I find it funny that the Russians here talk about domination of other countries and they still cant dominate Ukraine. Really poor sense of reality.

True, however this time the situation appears reversed and that Putler is the aggressor who bit off more than he could chew.

It's going to be an interesting year on way or the other.

It's no interpretation - just a recounting of historical facts. China is historically not belligerent/aggressive. With their view of themselves as the center of the known universe, they are incredibly incurious regarding what happens along their periphery. They are even less interested in invading someone.

Taiwan, after all, is an island full of Chinese people that evacuated there in 1945. Literally the same Chinese people on both sides of the Strait. Yet, China has not attacked them, and probably will never attempt it. China patiently waited for Hong Kong and Macau to be transferred back peacefully - two territories as historically Chinese, as St. Petersburg is Russian.

One has to admit - Russians are quite literally the opposite type of people. We don't have such high confidence in ourselves, that we can afford to be ignorant of what goes on outside our borders. We've always been very curious and simultaneously paranoid about our neighbors.

Finally, and this is a rare admission for a Russian - it's only ever been Russia that has preyed on China, and never the reverse. Would it be fair then, in this context, to discuss potential Chinese invasions of Russia? Shouldn't it be the Chinese, that are more wary of Russian intentions?

The Chinese are smart, unlike us. They don't need to invade Siberia to own its riches. Russian state companies are busy piping Siberian gas to China, and cutting down Siberian forests for lumber for export to China. Chinese merchants are successfully trading in Russian markets, to the great chagrin of the locals.

China gets everything it needs from Siberia, without having a single soldier there.

But they will be.

Why would they change a pattern of behavior they have exhibited for some 3,500 years?

Remember, this isn't China's first go at being a superpower. It was a superpower for 3,000 of those 3,500 years.

@Bobko
Xi is not a traditional Chinese leader. You dont build an army of more than 2 million and another half million in reserve unless you plan on using it at some point. Taiwan or Russia. It wont be an invasion of the US or anywhere else. Taiwan, you may be right about Xi not wanting to kill his own. But Russia is in possession of traditional Cinese lands, and thats the same reason Vlad went to Ukraine.

Speaking of Ukraine though, Vlad no saying he will not negotiate with Z. There is no good ending here for anyone if both sides wont talk.

Russia benefited the most of any European country, from the so-called "Unequal Treaties" that were forced on China in the 19th century. That being said, this was only in terms of square footage. The British took the much juicier outposts in the South China Sea.

Here is a map of what Russia took from China. It's not that much, and China has found its peace with the losses. In 2003 we signed an agreement recognizing each other's borders.

P.S. - I remembered that we also annexed a bunch of Chinese land in the West. However, that land is now under Kazakh and Kyrgyz sovereignty. The Chinese can take it up with those fellas, just as Poland has to look for its Kresy in Belarus and Ukraine. Not our problem!

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I don't know about China but, after 1945 Poland kind of lost apetite for any form of military conquest eastwards on any grounds. Legitimate or not in own eyes or Russian eyes.

Poland has gained A lot more from investing in it's own territories and saved money from not having to be drained in less lucrative eastern territories.

Until eastern Poland is fully developed and functioning, it is only out of necessity that Poland involves itself with Belarus or Ukraine. With aim to buy Poland time before a possible invasion happends, taking lands in Belarus or Ukraine would only speed up the process, not extend it.