Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

I don't know much about Sarcozy, but I refuse to believe that a man that led a country as great as France - can be moved by $3M to betray it.

I can't imagine how a Russian president can be bought. We had alcoholics, idiots, sadists, autists, and dreamers... but never a man that could be bought.

Putin, once, when asked about his hidden hundreds of billions - replied:

«Я самый богатый человек не только в Европе, но и в мире. Я собираю эмоции, и я богат тем, что народ России дважды доверил мне руководство такой великой страной, как Россия. Я считаю, что это - самое большое мое богатство.»

Translation:

"I am the richest person, not only in Europe, but also in the world. I harvest souls, and I'm rich in that the Russian people twice entrusted me the leadership of a country as great as Russia. I consider this my greatest wealth."

Read and weep, you bourgeois parasites)))

Edit: I know a little bit about how Russia works. Putin has absolutely no need of money. If he wants, tomorrow somebody will bring him $10B.

This will be a big year for Udmurtia according to Bobko

Now I am wondering !

Record production of tractor tyres ?
A huge grain harvest in Yoshkar Ola oblast ?
The sugar queue down to 3 hours ?
Success for Udmurtian gymnasts ?
More record exports of amateur **** ?

Why can't you be happy that a Slavic power is shaking off the chains of Western slavedom?

This man is an enemy of Poland but when I read this I couldn't help but smile with certain measure of affection and respect. Why must our enemies be so interesting and our allies so mundane? :-/

@GefreiterKania

If you are a fan of Russian literature, then you know how Russians measure wealth in souls.

I'm a comparatively poor Russian in this regard... I collect souls on PF :)

Once a vvhоre always a vvhorе.... he doesn't do it for the money per se... he just enjoys selling out....

What I get from this is that russia is (in it's own way and despite the usual aggressive russian bluster) suing for peace... which they would not be doing if things were going to be going as well as bobko hopes....


absolute power.... leads to absolute corruption.... how many presidents can resign? how many would accept losing reelection? that's a (one of many) weaknesses of the russian system, there's nothing like a peaceful transition of power, it's all palace coups, wait until he croaks and hope things won't get too violent

there's no second act for a russian leader

So you agree then, it is impossible to buy a Russian ruler?

Who would want one?

@Mafketis

Ok. Now I understand you are not serious.

I'm extremely serious.....

short answer: you can only 'buy' someone if they have principles that they are willing to betray

russian leaders have only one principle - to stay in power because.... no second act... no retirement plan....

'buying' them could only mean convincing them to leave office (at which point the whole feudal system they've built up with hangers on and dependents and their hangers on falls apart which makes life dangerous for them).


now you're not serious....

how has the Ukrainian invasion made life better for everyday russians?

what are reasonable prospects for it to make life better for everyday russians?

can you list three things without mentioning the tsar or empire?

Easy:

1) They humiliated us, and wanted to make us into a raw materials colony. We showed them, that we will burn down the whole system, before we accept a secondary role.

2) In America and in Europe, in the second year of this war, people are beginning to wake up to the reality that "Maybe the Russians had some good arguments".

3) I no longer feel ashamed of my Russian passport, instead of a Soviet one. Whether it is Africa, or Southeast Asia, or Latin America. Normal people, treat me better because I am Russian. It's nice to feel like an agent of righteous change.

So....you get well treated in Malawi. How does that help with the average Udmurtian in their wooden hug with no plumbing and ugly food?

Secondary role ? LOL, Udmurtia has just proved it is not even in the third group of nations - it is dependent on Iran and Uganda.

Lol!

If the third group of nations leaves Germany without artillery shells, the United States without rocket artillery, and Britain without cruise missiles - I am scared to think what will happen to you when a first-rate nations challenges you.

Go join the Ukrainian foreign legion, and show us how you can fight. You post here a scan of your intake papers, I promise you I will meet you on the other side, and we will see who can fight.

Pathetic as usual

The Ukrainians don't need middle aged overweight unfit troops for the meat grinder - that is the Udmurtians 19th century idea of war.

They need money and weapons / they are getting both, from the civilized nations of the world.

Ask Niger and Eritrea to help you out with a few kopecks

The kind of freedom where you get 19 years in a labor camp for speaking your mind

Ask them, if money and weapons makes it easier to die.

It doesn't.

Your fat-cat pontifications are disgusting, while people are dying. And it's largely the fault of flesh-hungry animals like you.

I said - if you bring your ass there - I will quit everything I'm doing, and make sure to find you and kill you. I know you won't do it, because every Russian-hater is softer than sh!t.

P.S. - I'm not fat and middle-aged. I don't want to die. I would still go, if even CMS Neuf went.

I'm happy here dude - free country, nice job, comfy house, free to live our life. All alien concepts to Udmurtians LOL

People are dying because drunk rapists invaded their peaceful neighbors

Apparently not because none of what you wrote makes life better for a resident of Chelyabinsk or Omsk or Pskov....


Do tell...

twitter.com/its_maria012/status/1691469109043818496

So you think Stalinist methods would be good for russia?


burn yourselves down and spare sane countries the hysterical drama queen nonsense....

russia had a chance to modernize and dramatically raise living standards across the country.... and it threw it away so that depraved russians can feel good about killing children....

twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1690002600043610112

On a scale of 1-10... how glad are you that Volodymyr was killed in your name?

They are dying - DYING - because of people like you.

I'm long past being surprised at how quickly the russian mind resorts to threats of violence... it's a sign they have no intellectual or logical or ethical arguments... pure brute force has always been their method of choice....

In happier news, there's a big fire in Novorossijsk!

Burn baby burn! russian inferno! Burn baby burn!

If only you had pure brute force... then we might be scared of you.

It's clear enough - burn things down so that you get treated with the same respect you get in Paraguay or Congo (Brazzaville).

This is an excellent example of the problem.... many westerners think this is all about putain but it's actually a country of over 100,000,000 wounded narcissists... the world doens't want russian culture or social structures and this drives them to blind fury. They crave respect from western countries but have no idea how that's earned (even when told directly they reject it and go back to trying to win respect through violence).

the problem is they don't have a national story that's worth anything... any functional country has a national narrative that changes over time....

give or take a few years and Poland's story has been...

Poland - 1980s' = 'we're surviving'

Poland - 1990's 2005 we're taking our place in Europe!

2005s -2020 not so much of a narrative and that's when the big polarization started happening....

2020s - we're defending western civilization!

What does russia have? It's whole history is just bloody awful.... authoritarian governments that exploit the masses, mass killings, invasions, genocides.... putain told them that the west (esp the US) is the cause of their misery and they grabbed onto that....

But if Ukraine and the US both disappeared tomorrow then russia still has the problem of nothing to really be proud of....

If I hadn't become such a russophobe (beginning in feb 2022) I might care, now all I care about is keeping their sickness away from Europe.

Now that you have a good conception of the problem, what will you do?

2023 - you are second in a line to provide cannon fodder for US MIC money machine.

Exactly. However, Russians chose the conquest as an easier way of development They don`t need to produce washing machines or fridges if they can steal them in occupied countries. Russians only need to produce tanks, everything else is unimportant.


You will have a place and respect if you start acting like decent people at last. Right now most of you are scum of the world. Your place is in the cesspool. You treat it as jaccuzzi. hahahaha

@Ironside


There is a difference between lying and changing your mind over time because circumstances have changed.

Scholz probably meant what he said when he made that pledge in February 2022. Back then many assumed that Russia would quickly overrun Ukraine, gain its' ressources and manpower and with additional strength may threat NATO members. It made sense to invest in our defence accordingly.

Since then however Russia has caught itself in a war of attrition with no end in sight. No matter how things progress on the battlefield from now on, it will inevitably find itself severely weakened by the end of it. We still need to be prepared, but it is evident that we won't face the same threat which we feared in February 2022.

Not that I approve of going too far into the other direction, but ressources are limited, Scholz government is already hard-pressed to find enough money for their projects. And to their credit, it is arguably more effective to sustain the high-level support for Ukraine than add more money to the BW. The Ukrainians are soing wonders for European security with relatively little cost in financial terms.

I would argue that Warsaw and Berlin would do well in looking at the other's approach to the crisis. Germany should understand that further investments in defence are necessary, and Poland might fare better if it did not abandon all restraint on military spending, because it will need its' ressources for other future challenges as well.


On what matter? If we talk about the general deteroation of Polish-German political ties, then I'd argue that it is pretty clear that this is mostly on the PiS-government. They have no interest in good relations between Warsaw and Berlin because they need the latter as a scape-goat, even on matters that are completely unrelated. Did Germany behave wisely and correctly all the time in the past? Of course not, but even if it had in the last 20 years regarding Russia and Ukraine, PiS would still be willing to reopen issues that had been solved many decades ago if that gave them votes.

It's very clear that some people crave that, sadly.


Poland needs to develop it armaments industry, open subsidiaries in nearby countries and take R&D very seriously. This could be a serious earner for Poland as well as being a step towards Poland becoming a major military power.


Not everyone. Some stood shoulder to shoulder with them from Day 1. It's not about who seemed likely to win; that is a cynical approach. Here, it's about right and wrong.

@Tacitus

A quick q. Why is it that you don't include posters' names in quotes? Just curious.

Is that really desireable? Poland does not have the population size of e.g. the UK and France to make this really sustainable. Overspending can bring a society to its' knees as surely as an invasion can. And when I read that some Korean banks have expresses doubts about the loana taken on by the Polish government, I become concerned. This could become an incredibly expensive fiasco for Poland down the line, especially in the late 2020s when the consequences of an ageing society fully kick in.


I was talking about risk assessment. I think we can all agree that if Putin had overrun Ukraine, the e.g. Baltic States would have faced a serious and imminent threat that NATO would have seen difficult to deter in its' then current state.

Since then, countries have increased their defence spending, further NATO forces have been and will be deployed in Eastern Europe and the ascension of Finland and (hopefully soon) Sweden has added much needed strategic depth to the defence of the Baltics. Crucially the Russian military is seriously depleted and will take years to rebuild if the war ends soon. If it drags on for a few more years, like I suspect it will, then... Well, we shall see.