Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

Nope... Poland and Baltic countries are thinking about closing all the border crossings with Belarus simultaneously due to the movements of Wagner Group in Belarus, because they're worried that provocations may take place... But so far no decisions have been made - this is an article from 5 days ago:

wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/polska-calkowicie-zamknie-granice-z-bialorusia-niedlugo-decyzja/z2n1y8h

Unless... the decision has been made recently to close the borders and that's why the US is telling their citizens to leave Belarus?

As well as the Bel-Rus regime`s persecution of Polish minority.

DPR's "military formations". - half cut bus drivers and 50 something ex policemen all dressed from the Lumpex.

According to that article from Onet the meeting of Ministers of Foreign Affairs of Poland and the Baltic States is going to take place in Warsaw on the 28th of August - they will discuss the final details concerning closing borders with Belarus then.

So, maybe the US is simply warning American citizens to leave beforehand? I guess Belarus may try to somehow retaliate for complete border closure?


But I think it isn't the truth, unfortunately. I mean, ConstantineK may very well believe what he's saying, but what he's saying contradicts the reality.

RuSSia doesn't need to be attacked first in order to attack/invade other countries. We've seen this time and again.

Tsarist RuSSia didn't partition the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, because P-LC attacked RuSSia first. RuSSia partitioned it, because P-LC was weak at that time and so RuSSia could partition it. It was an opportunistic move.

Poland didn't attack the Soviet Union in 1939 and yet the Soviet Union invaded Poland anyway.

Finland didn't attack the Soviet Union in 1939 and yet the Soviet Union invaded Finland anyway.

Georgia didn't attack RuSSia in 2008 and yet RuSSia invaded Georgia anyway.

Ukraine didn't attack RuSSia in 2014 and yet RuSSia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and 2022.

There's clearly a pattern here and it would be really dumb to ignore this pattern and RuSSian mentality, imho.

It is your own arbitrary opinion. Though somehow you are right, both DPR and LPR are integral parts of the RF.

Paulina you should know your history better. The commonwealth was due to fall because of the two main reasons:
1. Dissident question
2. Liberum veto and king elections

You should blame your own objective internal processes then.

The process of partitions was started by Austria and Prussia. Russia joined the process just to prevent Prussia and Austria would strengthen in expense of Poland.

What do you mean? It was as I wrote - the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth didn't attack tsarist RuSSia first. That was my point.


OMG :D I rarely see such blatant "Let us blame the victim!", even from RuSSians :( What the hell is wrong with you...


You see - RuSSia somehow always finds a "reason", an excuse to invade and occupy Poland and other countries, even if they didn't attack RuSSia first and had no intention of doing so.

That's why Poland is getting ready, strengthening the army, etc. - just in case RuSSia will find a "reason" to invade again. It may not happen now or soon - but in the future - who knows...

Weaknesses of your neighbor became your problems. Again, Nihel novi and liberum veto are the main reason of polish problems in the end of 18th century. Russia just picked up its own lands which had been seized from it by Lithuanian principality in earlier times. Technically those lands were not polish at all.

Imagine if KGB Dwarf trying to revive the USSR end up reviving Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. That would be an incline.

And if KGB Dwarf manages to get its multipolar world, but with Russia fragmented into smaller countries under the sphere of influence of Poland.

Well, we all humains and our future and fates are obscure for us all. May be you are right may be not. But cold blood analysis tells us that with all these motley arms which Poland is fervently accumulating now in expense of its own citizens, it has little to nothing chances to withstand future war. Poland has one amazing ability of choosing wrong sides imao. That will be the case agan

So, if Poland will have problems again - RuSSia will simply invade it again? :)


So I was right - as I wrote - RuSSia doesn't have to be attacked first in order to invade another country. It's enough that a given country has lands that RuSSians view as historically theirs or if there's a RuSSian minority living in that country or if RuSSia "feels threatened". One is never safe around RuSSia. This is why Poland and the Baltic states joined NATO and this why Finland and Sweden want to join NATO and this is why Poland is strengthening the Polish army.

Straight and blatant answer would be YES. If Poland serves itself as a tool against Russia in the hands of superior powers, you should definitely expect further partitions.

There's not a snowball's chance in hell that Russia will invade a NATO member. Also, we will soon have the strongest land army in Europe which will make invading us nonsensical from economic (or any other) point of view. Russia poses no threat to us - we are too strong.

The more important question is: are we doomed to eternal hostility and watching each other through binoculars over barbed wire. After all those centuries, hasn't it all become a bit boring? Maybe, just maybe, a change would be advised?

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No żesz k*rwa w pizdę jebana mać. :-/ You're not making it any easier for me, dude.

Oh wow - you are going to send the "special forces" ?

Don't forget to put some gas in your crappy tanks and turn the GPS on - just like at KIev airport LOL

There you go!


Poland wasn't "serving itself as a tool against the Soviet Union in the hands of superior powers" in 1939 and yet the Soviet Union invaded Poland anyway.

Finland wasn't "serving itself as a tool against the Soviet Union in the hands of superior powers" in 1939 and yet the Soviet Union invaded Finland anyway.

Umm actually the only times the state known as "Russia" won a war with free Poland was when Poland had to fight someone else and Russia joined in to backstab Poland. Including the first time the state known as "Russia" won a war with Poland in 1654-1657 and that was when Poland was also fighting every other neighbor it had.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_conflicts_involving_Poland_against_Russia

You are wrong. Both states conducted extremely antiSoviet policy in 1930th. It would be unforgivable mistake to let it go. Btw Finland was offered bigger strip of lands as a compensation for Vyborg area first.

Poland was reconstituted in its more decent borders after ww2

The areas they offered were mostly thick woodland with scarce resources while the lands they demanded from Ishtmus were one of the most developed areas of entire Finland alongside with hefty part of their defensive line meant to keep Russians out, would they invade. Not to mention the border would've been practically hugging their largest trade city. That deal was dead on arrival and Moscow knew it, so did Finland and it was only diplomatic play for time to arrange the war.

If they'd lose too bad Stalin would force them to accept a communist government. The cabinet was already assembled by the Soviet communist party and was waiting for a green light to take power in Helsinki.

Only Finland's heroic defense forced Stalin to reconsider. If Soviets had so much trouble with capturing Vyborg, he knew what a horror trying to subjugate entire Finland would be.

And if Finland had become red in 1940, it would be much less prosperous today.

That's true. And now we're in the EU and NATO, so there's noone to attack us anymore... besides RuSSia.


Any normal country and person had an "anti-Soviet policy" at that time. RuSSia has an anti-US, anti-Western and anti-Polish policy too. According to you it is enough to invade another country?


And they didn't agree?? How dared they???!!! LOL




Be careful or someone may want to "reconstitute" RuSSia in more "decent" borders one day.

Watch and learn, Kania - this is a real RuSSian for you...

Inflicted all these calamities itself by allying with Germany. After ww2 it led more balanced policy and that was the grass root reason of its prosperity. Now Finland is declining because of its wrong policy.

People are upset...

Emotions are running high. I notice this in myself.

Amongst the hundreds of thousands of dead, it was already hard to be in a joking mood last year. With everything that has happened since - it's become even harder.

Russians - I suppose - are genetically predisposed to expect to overcome. However, at some points during this past year it was difficult to keep the faith. As I said - nervous, anxious times.

This counter-offensive especially, put the country on its collective toes. Western press helped to drive the message home. This was a testing of Russia, and thankfully we came out relatively unscathed.

Some triumphalism can be excused - I feel. However, there's no need to scare others. Methodically, patiently, we have to finish the job. Poles and other interested parties will watch closely how we behave, and what are the results. We already don't have the fuzziest reputation, and it would be foolish to continue to perpetuate the failed policies of the past.

If we believe, what we believe about Ukraine - then Poland has nothing to do with what is at hand. Let's try to keep it that way.

Poland had most disgusting, backward and exploitive government at that time. As if she tried to revive all dark sides of PLC.

Well said. Let's keep things civilised and look for peaceful and mutually beneficial solutions for the future.


Very good example of Ukrainian маскування (that's Ukrainian for maskirovka). I can also write in my profile "Country, city - Lagos (Nigeria)". Will it automatically make me black and extremely well-hung*? Certainly not.

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* - that's, of course, because I already am

The real question is, can a neighbour of Russia afford not having a high military budget?


And some Ukrainian created this profile 15 years ago? Be serious

No, Kania. I've discussed with such RuSSians before some years ago. This is a typical RuSSist mentality.
You didn't know that? Where were you all these years? You didn't discuss with RuSSians?


No, it didn't and it wasn't about that at all. Quotes from Wikipedia:

"Prior to the war, Finnish foreign policy had been based on multilateral guarantees of support from the League of Nations and Nordic countries, but this policy was considered a failure."

The Soviet Union decided to invade Finland before the start of the war:

"On 23 August 1939, the Soviet Union and Germany signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in which both parties agreed to divide the independent countries of Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, and Romania into spheres of interest, with Finland falling within the Soviet sphere."


No, this is the RuSSian mindset/mentality that never changed. I've discussed with RuSSians long before 2022 and 2014.

Maybe it is what happens when you become free after two centuries of partitions, and then they try to erase you again.

Not an excuse for reactionism, but put yourself in their shoes. If you were a Pole, maybe it would be understandable.

In any case - they lost. Their policy was "punished". The tragic historical arc of Poland continued. What use is there to rehash this, when now we need their help in stopping the Ukrainian madness?

I am similarly disappointed by the amount of aid they provided to those thieving monsters - and how so many of them refuse to see the blood on their hands. But then you see the Kanias, Grunnies, Ironsides and others that shows you the Poles are not a monolith.

Just as we are not a monolith.

The Soviet Union had far more worse government at that time than Poland has ever had in its history. So what's your point exactly?

Pilsudski was small peanuts, compared to the consequences of 1795 for Poles.

Best we focus on the present, Constantine.

Even our interwar authoritarianism was much softer (and not genocidal) than the Soviet rule.

Putin literally idolizes Cheka and NKVD, Soviet secret police that murdered more that a hundred thousand Poles and persecuted more than a million. You have to be blind not to see that.

And there is absolutely no reason for a Pole to support imperialistic, anti-West, warlike Russia which regularly threatens Poland and Baltic States against weak, pro-Western Ukraine.

My point is that history is rhyming itself. And what we saw in the past may happen with Poland again. We are on the verge of WW3 and again and again Pokand is offering its territory as a battle ground. May be it is right time to step back and draw conclusions?