Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 7

Wrong. It was Bismarck who said it.

This "Western publication" smells of the Kremlin troll factory at a mile. hahahahaha


Whenever you say it, being a pesky imperialist Russian, I know sb commited a bs post. :):):)

Why you morons always claim that nonsense? Do you think you anyone with IQ bigger then 10 will belive it?


Looks like German needs to be thought a lesson the hard way.

Yes, the offensive is slow but step by step it depletes Russian reserves and massacres their troops.

Check it out:

onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/ukraincy-krok-po-kroku-robia-swoje-ekspert-przez-sukcesy-na-tylach-wroga/0td2vz7,79cfc278

Importantly, Lt. Col. Korovaj argues that the Ukrainians do not have to rush. It is true that the calendar already shows the second half of September, but the change in weather conditions should not affect the pace of activities.

- There is no rush. Ukrainian tactics include fighting in more difficult conditions, in late autumn or winter. They have adapted their structure and method of conducting activities. However, I do not think that the Russians are so well prepared for this and they hope that the counteroffensive will slow down. However, this will not happen. It seems to me that this counteroffensive will last until the end of late autumn and then we will see its more tangible effects, says our interlocutor.

All this causes the Russians to have more and more problems. Therefore, according to the Polish officer, they will try to solve them not only on the front.

- The Russians must prove to the entire West that a counteroffensive is not possible, that there is no point in supporting the Ukrainians, but that we need to move on to peace negotiations and so on. They must constantly focus on activities that devalue the achievements of Ukrainians - emphasizes the expert.

- On the front itself, the Russians' goal will be to maintain the positions they occupy. However, this will be more and more difficult, because it is clear that they are already using their very good units. According to my calculations, the Ukrainians are only halfway there, and they have already managed to use up really large enemy resources, he adds.

Darling, I am talking from a moral point of view, not about official documents.

I see, so if someone will F you up your ass but does it only becuse he had justfied grugde again your granpa
that fact alone make it all right and morally justfied, so you just bend over and take it?
Do you I got it right?

You want to fekk my grandpa????? I see you enthusiastically follow the latest fads in the forum. Amassing!

Stop azholing. Ukraine is fighting for survival against a deadly enemy. Imagine Poland resisting so long to Germans in 1939-40. Wouldn`t you approve of all ways of winning the war, even the most controversial??? Ukrainians are catching at a razor for a good cause, you Russophile azhole.

I won`t say Tfu this time on you coz you were quite mild saying a little bit. But my patience is slowly running out, remember. :):):)

Answer it! You changing the subject as always when you have no asnwer and your BS is exposed!

A reader's comment worth posting here:

America cranked out so many planes, carriers and tanks almost instantly after Pearl Harbor. They have enough manufacturing capabilities to flood Ukraine with weapons, however refuse to do so.

Something very evil in an empire that effectively doles out just enough weapons to keep a war going for decades, all the while smiling and patting those fighting on the back as they die on the front.

Ukrainians are just expendable bodies, not people, in this latest proxy war.

Whoever you are, spot on...

After reading all that BS you posted here, I think your grandpa should be moved to next circle of the hell for not using condom.

Ukraine refuses to accept Leopard 1A5 tanks from Germany...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raport-ukraina-rosja/news-ukraina-odmowila-przyjecia-niemieckich-czolgow-mocno-zuzyte,nId,7035467

... because they require repairs and Ukrainians "have neither spare parts nor qualified mechanics to conduct the repairs".

Meanwhile, Zelensky accuses Poland of "playing solidarity in a political theater" and suggests that Poland, Hungary and Slovakia
are working for Putin...



rp.pl/konflikty-zbrojne/art39136011-zelenski-niektorzy-z-naszych-przyjaciol-bawia-sie-solidarnoscia-w-teatrze-politycznym

Also, Ukraine - after filing a WTO case against Poland - is about to introduce an embargo on certain Polish produce (onion, tomatoes, cabbage and apples)...

money.pl/gospodarka/ukraina-szykuje-odpowiedz-polsce-to-bedzie-cios-za-cios-6943274571057888a.html

Hmm... let's look at it more closely:

Your country is at war with a mortal enemy. You receive immense help from both Poland and Germany. What do you do?

A) refuse to accept tanks from Germany, because they are not in a perfect technical condition
B) accuse Poland of working for Russia
C) start a regular trade-war with Poland
D) all of the above

Apparently, Mr Zelensky, after careful consideration, picks option D. Sorry, but Ukrainian turbopolitics has just become a bit too turbo for me to understand. :)

Poles would eat sh*t, if it wasn't for Ukrainians?

An interesting culinary opinion on Polish cuisine was expressed recently by a Ukrainian activist, Ihor Isayev. In his reply to Sławomir Mentzen, who criticised Ukrainian authorities for wanting to file a case against Poland at WTO, Isayev wrote:

"If it wasn't for Ukrainian women and men, Polish economy would be in the a*ss and you would eat sh*t, instead of drinking beer."

"Where is your gratitude, fascist (brunatni) alcoholics and sluggards?"

Our lovely Ukrainian friend Ihor also talked about creating a Ukrainian faction in Polish parliament that would stop financing fascist parties from Ukrainian taxes in Poland.

It's worth to read the entire article, if you have strong nerves :)))

kresy.pl/wydarzenia/isajew-gdyby-nie-ukrainki-i-ukraincy-polska-gospodarka-bylaby-w-d-ie-i-g-no-byscie-jedli/

A Stalinist RuSSian is giving a link to "Myśl Polska" - you must be proud, Kania :D


You're f*cked up and evil beyond measure.


I'm afraid that's not how many Poles will see it. I also think that what Ukrainian government is doing now is a mistake that may cost them later:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/sytuacja-fatalna-ekspert-o-ruchu-wladz-ukrainy-6943281939573504a

According to this article Ukrainian farmers were appealing to their government so it wouldn't "give in to emotions". So it doesn't look like the Ukrainian government is being pressured by their farmers to do this.

I think what they're doing isn't smart. I don't know why Zelensky behaves like this - maybe PiS was getting on their nerves for a while now. But PiS may win the elections and Ukrainians will have to deal with them for the next 4 years. So, this is a short-sighted approach, imho. The reality is that Ukraine needs Poland more than Poland needs Ukraine. So if I were Zelensky I'd clench my teeth and deal with PiS in such a way as to not pi$$ off their electorate (and the rest of Poland in the meantime). I'd do that for my country and my people.

Also, the way Duda and Zelensky are exchanging blows publicly is embarrassing. They're behaving like kids in the kindergarten. Both Polish and Ukrainian governments should get a grip, sit at a table and talk to each other (instead of "communicating" through the media) in order to resolve this issue in such a way so it would be acceptable for both parties.

I'm afraid too, or rather, I'm rubbing my eyes in amazement. In other countries, such problems are solved through negotiations without all the media fighting. All this only favors Russia.

Well, one cannot deny feeling a certain measure of satisfaction when one's favourite periodical is read and quoted abroad. :)

You of course are genius. All praise pawian.

Such stupidity like keeping funds from Poland over the judicial reforms? European laws do not superceed Polish laws. That too is a part of being in the EU. I know, its simply a formality though.

You haven't noticed Bobko being more reasonable? A Russian who is actually pretty fvcking observant, and does not post solely on emotion.

The leftists are emotional posters on this issue. Not wanting to just look at facts. Its ok for each of us to have a belief on which side should win and why. Thats only natural. Getting crazy about why "my side" is the better side is not rational. A rational thought from the left is that the war continues because Ukraine wants to remain Ukraine. A rational thought from the right is that Russia has a right to be angry about ethnic Russians being forced to speak Ukrainian, if thats true anyway. Still no grounds for a war IMO. I do not wear rose colored glasses, thanks.

@mafketis
I think its becoming more reasonable to believe that Russia will have to get something out of this. When a new US president takes office, this war is over, and smart people in the center need to start talking about getting both sides to the negotiating table. Putin has even said he is ready recently. I think anyone believing Ukraine or Russia really want this to continue for more than another year isn't thinking clearly. There are a whole lot of new graves on both sides, and people on both sides are tired of the deaths.

Of course Russia cannot be trusted. And Ukraine can? After Merkel admitted that the Minsk agreements were never intended to actually be implemented? After all the corruption in Ukraine concerning the United States? Both countries mirror each other in many ways, as much as many people dont want to recognize that fact.

Exactly.


That rag is your favourite periodical??


In what way is he "being more reasonable"?

Yes, they do. It is clear you don`t know much about the EU but still take voice in such a stupid way. That is why I told you to think twice.


No, I haven`t. He is the same imperialist Russian as before. He fully supports the war and Kremlin gangsters and he happily spreads Kremlin propaganda with all their lies and manipulations. .

Besides, you didn`t mention our forum Russians. You said it was far right and far left who lean to the middle. Imperialist Russians are a seperate group here coz they don`t care about left or right ideology, they only care about Russia winning the war and Ukraine losing it. .

Think twice, again, and apply more logic into your posts.


Yes, it is painful to imperialist Russians what I write here. Thank you very much.

Ukraine's 'zombie' economy dependent on Western money - ex-PM

Kiev lacks funds to pay its military due to the "catastrophic" state of its finances, Nikolay Azarov has claimed

rt.com/business/583146-ukraine-zombie-economy/

Scholz responds to 'sick man of Europe' jab

Berlin won't rack up massive debts, contrary to the advice of "Anglo-Saxon newspaper" The Economist, the German chancellor has said

rt.com/news/583090-scholz-germany-sick-man-europe/

German banking was always more decentralized and conservative than the Anglo-countries. In the years leading up to World War One, Germany was taking strides in industrial and technological development, proving to be the number one competitor to Britain, who was already turning to rely on financialization of the economy, lessening the focus on building industry.

Germany had a private central bank before World War One, but they also had many decentralized medium and smaller banks with a degree of independence and foresight.

The German state also had considerable control of what that private central bank could do, and this combination proved conservative in the printing of new money, thereby maintaining inflation low, while also keeping the economy financed in the right spheres

The German government also made sure that financing went primarily to industry, infrastructure and development, not to stock market casinos.

Germany was crushed by the elites of Britain and The United States. They just couldn't handle it. The Jewish Federal Reserve undoubtedly played a hand as well.

In the 1920's, in the Weimar Republic, the private central bank, heavily infested with Jews, were freed from government control, leaving the door open for massive money-printing, tanking the economy to unprecedented levels, leading to large-scale starvation, disease, debauchery and prostitution.

In the 1970's, the USA made the same mistake that Britain made, financializing the economy, exporting their manufacturing base and focusing on stock-market gains, all the while robbing their own people blind with inflation and debt.

Yes, that is important. Ukrainians must be really desperate to be doing it. Don`t they know how vengeful those PiS gangsters are? I can`t blame them.

@pawian
No, the EU laws do not superceed Polish laws. You need to educate yourself on the interpretation of "primacy". Not all courts have recognized this EU "interpretation". EU law can not superceed constitutional law. Which is why there are so many arguments with the EU concerning their "interpretations". Really, you're not that smart to be spouting off about who should think twice. But hey, keep on going about posting with your emotions and calling people names. Yes, very mature actions showing a high degree of moral and ethical superiority. All bow.

Russians are not a seperate group. They are the very far right here on PF. Your views represent the very far left. "Imperialist"? Really? Like the US isn't imperialist in what they are doing by funding this war? Again, just the facts. Who has the billions of dollars worth of contracts to rebuild Ukraine as soon as the war ends, and how far ahead have those companies received those contracts? Are those companies representative of US interests? If we are pointing fingers, then lets do it in a balanced way.

So... a combination of Munich and the 'too big to fail' Wall Street bailouts.... how did those work out? and how will making sure russia 'get's something' be any different?


It's hard to find Komsomolskaja Pravda at the local kiosk anymore... he makes do.....

I'm not sure if that's the case... There are twenty-something other countries in the EU to which Ukraine can export their grain (and apparently those countries have no problem with that). So, it's not like exporting it to Poland is some kind of "be or not to be" for Ukraine.


PiS is going against Polish constitution though.


Sure, but I can't say I've noticed any of the PF RuSSians becoming more "balanced" here. Bobko is the same RuSSian imperialist sociopath that he was before.

Yes, it's a blatant attempt to turn the courts into a rubber stamp for whatever the government wants....

The first step in the dictator-escalator (Erdogan and Orban also first went for the courts).

Why EU can't just let Poles decide who should rule them? Why they keep interfering to promote lefitist parties?
It looks like Germany is puling the strings to fuel anti-Ukraininan sentiment in Poland and make sure that PiS loses the upcoming elections.

The EU isn't deciding about that.

And this is off topic in this thread anyway.


How?? What on Earth are you talking about?? LOL

Stop twisting. I don`t care about the USA, I care about imperialist Russia coz it has been Poland`s neighbour and a threat for centuries.


I didn`t call you any names yet. I only called on you to think twice.
Stop twisting again.


You interpret it your way which is faulty while I interpret it the way it should be. Isn`t it simple????
Read more and educate yourself on it.
eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/glossary/primacy-of-eu-law-precedence-supremacy.html

Rememeber, I will always debunk your lies and false beliefs on topics dear to me, in this case the EU.

As for me being far left it is another lie of yours coz I am not. You don`t care or don`t know coz you are a rare guest to the forum and talk bs in result. You had a long break from here - a few months. Did you suffer from some serious health problems which influenced your memory and cognitive abilities in any way? Are you undergoing rehabilitation now??? I wish you everything best with it.

I take exception to calling this patriotic and refreshingly commonsensical biweekly a rag, but - yes - it's either that or my newly found love "Kwant" ...

kvant.mccme.ru/index.htm

... :)

@GefreiterKania, you're more f*cked up than I thought then.

What that?