Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8

@pawian

All three of them did not quit being trouble for their neighbors, until somebody much stronger thoroughly bonked them on the head.

But... also... maybe them being good at making stuff and being extremely militaristic historically are somehow connected?

That is, does having a large amount of craftspeople allow a country to wage war more frequently than countries that have relatively less people engaged in industry?

Alternatively, does frequently going to war, spur the development of industry?

Does the centralization of government, necessary for waging war, stimulate the formation of large enough pools of capital to push through large scale industrial projects?

There is something here.

A lot has changed since then. Civilised nations have understood that militaristic conquest is useless. Russians still need to acquire this civilisation level. Simple. If not, you will be called Asian barbarians for decades. And treated likewise.

My traditional motto for all imperialist Russians remains the same:
DFY and your stalinist grandpas, too!!!! Ha!

.....I would guess it's a matter of the age, isn't it.

Historically it was just a matter of people, the more people (and later horses) you had the bigger the armies you could mobilize, it didn't even have to be craftspeople!

Then came the age of technology....having the better technology than your enemy became more important than numbers of people, that was the age of craftspeople...even if the most important of them weren't even risked in the fighting....much to important for the war success!

But also technology kept changing, now only a few weapon would not bring a useful victory but risking rather a self-destruct (together with your enemy).....so it's more or less back to people...and again, it don't have to be craftspeople....

...just thinking!

People in 1914, and then in 1918 also wrote many fancy and beautiful things about how war is a thing of the past. The Americans, under Woodrow Wilson, got so idealistic - they even insisted on the creation of a whole new global organization called the League of Nations - where all civilized people would meet to discuss their problems in peaceful fashion.

What a fantastic failure then, when this "War to End All Wars", ended up leading to an even more disastrous World War. After that war, people also swore off conquest, and created yet another new organization.

This organization similarly failed miserably at its mission of keeping the world conflict free.

The only thing that is keeping the "civilized world", as you say, from eating each other like in the past, is the very, very uncivilized nuclear weapons that have entered the scene.

That's what truly made conquest between large "civilized" nations "useless". The American nuclear umbrella, allowed Adenauer and De Gaulle to get over their mutual paranoia, and found the project which is now the EU. Otherwise you would still have France occupying large parts of the Rhineland, and Germany looking for ways to get friendly with Russia/China (more than now).

So what makes your world civilized is not that human beings have suddenly changed, but that there are now some very uncivilized weapons in existence which have changed the risk calculus.

....additionally it can be said that war is even now possible when both sides agree (more or less officially) never to use these "Weapons of Mass Destruction".

That makes wars the "old ways" not only possible but probable again....as we see in Ukraine. So much for our civilized societies!

And I have to wonder if Article 5 will ever come into action, even if Russia should attack a NATO country.....of course, that would give Russia an enormous advantage alone due the numbers of people they could field!

If they were such a great antidote to wars, then all countries should have them to make wars impossible. Alas, as we all know, wars between countries who have nuclear weapons are possible (India vs Pakistan, India vs China).

Something that could work better than nuclear weapons would be a fantastically powerful and fantastically rich (financed with a sizeable percentage of every country's GDP every year) international organisation of top-class elite assassins who would have their secret agents in every country in the world. If any two countries went into war, the assasins would slaughter all the ruling politicians of both countries together with their children (both in the invading country, obiviously, and in the defending country in case they did anything to provoke the invasion).

An era of Pax Aeterna would come to the world if all the ruling motherf*ckers knew that starting a war would mean immediate death for them and their children.

Did your ChatGPT produce it???? American nukes making Western leaders drop all animosities and create a new global alliance???


You mean France would have been nuked by Americans if the French didn`t make peace with Germans??? :):):)

I dunno....my belief in such international organisations has sunk to the bottom recently!

After WWII and during the whole Cold War they, like the UNO, had a tremendous prestige and were generally seen as the future of Mankind.

But seriously, what has become of them....dictators and antisemites sit side by side and judge.....and even support terrorists now (UNRWA)....

The same with these so called NGO's....they had my respect earlier, I trusted them truly to fight for human rights and real refugees (Pro Asylum etc.) and what not...either they had been all infiltrated by radical leftist/haters of the West just recently or I was just to naive for to long!

No wonder :-/

Oh, well... our only hope is that all the Bidens, Putins and Kimdzonguns of this world, as well as those who pull the strings from behind the scenes, still have more to lose in case of nuclear annihilation than ordinary people like us.

But I still think we should give the United Assassins (or League of Assassins) a chance. ;)

Heh:) Sounds like a great simulation fun game!!! :)

@Bratwurst Boy
You get older and change slowly in NoviBB.

.....as I stated before the 7th of October and the reactions (or lack thereof) of parts of the West changed the opinions of lotsa people, I meant it! *shrug*

I doubt Hamas recognizes what they have done....but they truly changed the world....but not in the way they planned to! Like a stone thrown into water....beginning with small waves which become slowly bigger and bigger.

Maybe I just feel them more keenly here in Germany...which is also part of the ME-history, because of our history...who knows....

@Bratwurst Boy
I think you overestimate Hamas. They would like to return to normality, but it is Israel that wants to destroy Hamas completely. This is their right, but they cannot expect the world to applaud their methods as they try to do it.

What normality?

Where would they be without their war to destroy Israel and kill all Jews....the West....Christians...etc. ?

They need that bloodshed and suffering....they would wither and die during peace!

If peace should have a chance Hamas and it's backers and financiers need to be destroyed completely first....that's the reality!

Neither Israel nor the West needs that bloodshed in this region for survival, nor wants it that way....think about that for once!

As far as I know, they have been living in peace with Israel for the last 10 years.

....you mean besides digging tunnels through the whole strip like an anthill? Preparing for the massacres?

There never has been peace....why do you think Israel invested so much into their famed "shield"?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%E2%80%93Israel_conflict

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...like that 60-megatonne mother of all nukes that Nikita did...

That's why I love NK nukes. If they had them way back, there would be no Korean war and 40,000 Americans would not have died for sh*it.

That's what I don't really get. What on earth did Hamas hope to achieve by firing those rockets? Did they think that the Jews, the nation that survived Holocaust and was finally given their own state in their ancient land, would one day say - "oh, no - there's just too many of those rockets, let's give up and leave Israel"? WTF?

What other thing did they imagine to accomplish than full retaliation against them and endangering of their own civilians???

Like russians palestinians carry a narcissistic wound so violence is its own retard...

Testing their weapons? And Israel's defense?


Plausible theories have it that they planned and expected that retaliation....but that's where their plan stopped working. Nothing else but many sympathetic words had been forthcoming....a bit military support on the side by some Hezbollah in Lebanon (for a short while) or Huthi rebels in Jemen, taken care of by Israel's allies as we speak...but that was it mainly.

Not the fullscale unification of the arab military powers to start a real big war by unified muslim armies...avenging the dead Palis killed by that israeli retaliation...and with that of course ending Israel!

Egypt even builds a wall to keept the Pali refugees out....nothing but nice words in the end for them...they miscalculated...and will now pay the price!

IMHO...that theory fits....

Yes, even their Arab brothers don't want them. That should tell us something.


*fingers crossed*

The whole thing is a farce. Putin promised the Israeli PM he would not kill Zelensky, why? Why not just blow up the whole Duma and military hq instead of incompetently invading? Why are only the poor people being mobilised and murdered in their hundreds of thousands whilst the rich drive around their Mercedes in Lviv and Moscow? Why did Churchil just not send the SAS to kill Hitler since the Bundeswehr was against invading France?

I will tell you why. Because the ruling elite all respect each other and drink wine at together at the same clubs . We are just disposable sheep to them.

Exactly. That's why the idea of Assassins' League is a viable one - people could even crowdfund it: $10 direct debit every month from a couple of billion ordinary people all over the world should do it. A small expense for eternal world peace. :)


Well, perhaps it's time for the sheep to finally grow some balls (and teeth!).

The implication being that you are not one of them...

In 2020 and 2021, the ruling mobs ran a test aka Covid lockdowns, and found that the masses would slash their throats if you told them that it would be for their own good. See Australia.

BTW, when did you last time call or write to your "democratically elected legal representative" to tell the scumbag how unhappy you were about what was going on in Poland?

Sorry, Ryszard, but you made your choice yesterday.

As long as you continue to spout hatred against Poland and Poles in a nazi-like manner, I shall treat you like a hater that you currently are and one doesn't discuss with haters; one can only show them contempt).

Hey, hater - were the farmers who plowed the land with horses, worked hard and fed Poland, including scoundrels like yourself, stupid Polaks too? Were the builders and factory workers, who were working their arses off for meagre wages and honestly paying their taxes so that a despicable hater like you could get free higher education, dumb Polaks? Were the professors at Politechnika, where you studied for free and got your free education, funded by hard-working Poles, stupid Polaks too? Were those lecturers and scientists who educated you - which allowed you to later sell yourself like a wh0re for dollars - inhabitants of a sewer with dumb Polaks too?

You make me want to vomit, you self-hating low-life scumbag.

Where did I say (1) that I hate myself, and (2) that all Poles are stupid? Actually, I named myself a genus more than once here.

You do have stupid people who do stupid things, right? Or are you all geniuses clocking at 160 on the IQ scale?

Who caused that accident in Smolensk? Morons or geniuses? How about that idiocy known as the Warsaw Uprising? How many people died because those morons tried to outsmart the Soviets? As far as I recall, a lot more than in Katyn...

Now you can vomit...

You proved it by being a woke leftist who hates his own origins and old Polish heritage (language, culture etc.) like all self-hating woke leftists do. Moreover, your ridiculous claims that you are no longer Polish but have fully transitioned into a trans American put you right into woke trans category. It is bound to annoy decent, conservative people here.


Dude, you keep spouting hateful slurs like "dumb Polaks" all the time. I already told you: if you have something against amiga, pawian, cms, me or any other individual poster then take it out with that individual. You can say "stupid Torq" as often as you want to (and I will reply in kind) but if you continue with your anti-Polish racial slurs and talk of "how you hate Poles", then you will be treated like any hater deserves - with your own medicine.

Your choice.

Call it what want, I was rooting for the US track and field team back in Warsaw way before I left. With that attitude, it was only fair to move on and do the rest of you a favor.

I would write a check for ten grand today to lose my accent and delete the Polish language from my brain. Both are a drag...Sometimes I catch myself counting to ten in Polish when I am pumping iron...

Now, as far as this forum... I would like to meet Bobko, Velund, and BB, but not any of the guys you just mentioned.

I spent 6 of my adult years in Poland and almost 60 in the US. I have no apologies for the way I feel about both. I also recall the words of the oath I took when they made me a US citizen. I treat such things seriously...and the words like to the exclusion of all others...I am paraphrasing...It was a long time ago...

Final point... I am an American by choice - after a lot of planning, effort, and risks. You are Polish by the accident of birth. Therefore, I am a better American than you are Polish.