Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8

politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/27/biden-endgame-ukraine-00133211

An interesting read from a center left leaning publication.

No, I read it in a book by Henry Kissinger I picked up at the airport - "Leadership"-something, or "Leaders".

Kissinger talks about several leaders he worked with directly, Adenauer and De Gaulle were two of those.

France was still very paranoid after WW2 about a potentially resurgent Germany in the future.

The British somewhat less, but also wary of letting Germany become too strong again.

The Americans on the other hand insisted that the Western occupation zones be integrated, and power handed off to the Germans sooner rather than later. They also insisted that the Germans should be rearmed to the teeth.

These American proposals were not greeted well in France, to say the least.

However, the Berlin Blockade, and then the beginning of the Korean War, got the Cold War off to a rolling start. The French were far from building their own nukes yet, and the Americans basically explained to them that if they wanted to rely on American nuclear power for protection, they would have to play along with America's plans in Europe.

Quote from Adenauer:

"It was in the interest of the United States that Germany should become strong once more. Therefore, the many examples of discrimination, such as the Ruhr Statute, the Occupation Statute, and the provisions regarding the rearming of Germany, could only be of a transitory nature."

American nukes got the French and Germans to put their 1,000 years of differences aside.

@Ryszard

This is all good and well. There are transsexual people by choice, so I suppose there are also transnational people by choice (although I find the latter disgusting).

As far as I'm concerned you can consider yourself an Arab or a Korean, but give up the hateful anti-Polish slurs or you will be treated accordingly. End of.

Basically France was acting like Poland or Ukraine:

"We need to forever weaken Russia, so it can never represent a credible threat ever again!"

America came in, and took a big, huge, steaming dump on these ideas.

A strong Europe, cannot exist without a strong Germany.

Some enlightened people from outside the Continent, had to explain to Europeans how to order their lives.

Silly pygmies.

"Pygmies" can be dangerous.

"Not-pygmies" thought they could outlast us, and where are they now? Ottoman Empire? Where are you? Mighty Prussia or Austro-Hungary? Third Reich? Here Reichy, Reichy, Reichy - where are you? Soviet Union anyone?

Basically any empire or superpower that ever made the schoolboy mistake of f*cking with Poles has already landed in the dump of history, and we are still here. :)

Turkey


Germany


Admittedly, this one did not end well....

Turkey is a strong country, yes, but far from being the conquering empire of the past, and today's Germany is as far as it gets from militaristic Prussia.

God protects us. Sometimes He interferes directly, sometimes uses secondary causes (or countries) but in the end we survive.

Na ja....I dunno....where was he during your partitions?

My God, you Poles really are worse than the Jews.

How can I get this into your head, Kania?

A Pole, is the same as an Ethiopian, as a Malay, an Inuit.

In the words of the God of the Ukrainians, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin:

We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord's blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

Source: Putin's Address to Americans Re Syria
nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Btw, this was a great essay someone wrote for Putin. I was impressed. So was everyone that read it.

There always comes a time when sins have to be paid for, and we paid... for our pride and megalomania, for thinking that we will always be strong and untouchable, for putting private interests first and our Fatherland second. We paid.

Besides, God was also testing our faith to see if we would curse and abandon Him in our suffering. We didn't, so we passed the test and came back to favour again.

@Bobko

Inuits and Ethiopians are also God's children, no doubt.

But are they Christs of Nations? Do they have Saint Virgin Mary as their Queen? Will they be the ones to prepare the world for the Second Coming?

So there.

Now you are the Job of Nations?

NATO said unto America, Whence comest thou? Then America answered Brussels, and said,
From going to and fro in the earth,
and from walking up and down in it.

And then NATO said unto America,
Hast thou considered my servant Poland,
that there is none like her in the earth,
a perfect and an upright country,
one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Not now, but we used to be.

Currently we are St. Paul of Nations (with thousands of Polish missionaries all over the world).

By the way, for a neo-marxist you seem to be well-versed in the Word. ;)

@Torq

Paul is good.

Not the most intelligent of Jesus's disciples, but certainly influential (if even through happenstance). His distinguishing characteristic being stubbornness, blind passion, and filial piety.

Ha ha ha ha :)

I said it before, but it's a good moment to repeat it again: your mother must have looked kindly at some Pole 30 odd years ago.

kyivpost.com/opinion/26033 This is what I have been saying for months. Ukraine needs to mobilize and not be worried about launching new embassies in fvcking Africa. Anyone not questioning Z and the government leadership now really doesnt care if Ukraine wins or not.

slavic is a mongrel of the huns, khans and white people according to niggasinspace and americvans in general or anglo saxons.

This guy is a real Putin!

Quote:

Realizing this role, journalists must also "fall in line." The media front becomes state propaganda, inflicting maximum damage on the enemy both outside the country and within-denying any chance to the Russian propaganda machine. How to mobilize the information front should be decided by media owners: either through patriotism and responsibility or through wartime nationalization.

I understand that on some level, the CMS Neufs and Mafketises of the world will be happy. Why? Because there is not gonna be any more negative news coming out of Ukraine if this guy gets his wish and journalists are silenced.

On the other hand, how will they explain the difference between autocratic Russia and democratic Ukraine then?

Perhaps, this other quote from the article is relevant then:

Trying to impose a matrix of "democratic values" on a country bathed in blood will only lead to defeat. Let's be frank: Ukrainians aren't fighting for formal "democracy".

"Yes just like a russian wh*re. They look nice but have multiple STD's and have had a train run through them from Islamabad to Riyadh. But Bobko and Velund know no better and are promised true love. (as long as they buy expensive gifts of course)."

dude id rather have such a ***** than the pollack teen ones who look like a ***** who ae only 16 yet ******* act all prudish and **** when it comes to age and wont **** with a guy older than 4 yrs from them unless they have or are foreign. at least the russian ones wont avt rude if your slightly older than a little boy in high school and turn you down just due to age and in fact are not age gnostic or phobic and like older men and arent hypocrytes whoa ct like theyr enot ****** but show themselves almsot naked on instagram like pollack ones pretending theya rent ******.

I agree with sralec on this one folks above. would you rather live in a country like russia ****** dont discirminate about age even **** dogs in dog **** or art of zoo from teen age or a pollack society where even 16 yr old ****** who look like this below act like they are not escorts and dubai girls who probably go to dubai (like those in skandal dubai or dziewczyny z dubai) for big paychecks (how else at 16 she could afford all of those professional tatoos, botox etc.) and discriminate about age or are hookers with priorities or kurwy co sa wybredne? instagram.com/crystalnezumi?igsh=MWRxNHR1bG0ybjBncg==

What exactly would constitute a Ukrainian victory in this war? Realistically. No malice intended in the question. Just curious.

The same one as Z-P. Zero...
Moron (def.) - a guy who wants to die for it. Especially if he is from some other country. Then he is a supermoron.

have any of you ever been in a country with females who are so childish picky trendy and princessy even would reject you due to age? sure warsaw is a bit different but freaking other cities here where even hookers who are teens even 18 yr old will reject you if you look or are even 30? any of u ever been in such a sh@thole with no sex industry almost what to speak of except tourist trap strips?

Good question. I believe a victory has already been had simply by not losing the whole country. I think that an ultimate victory would be getting back Crimea, though it looks unlikely. Victory now in my opinion is ending the war and keeping people from dying. How many mor ehave to die for next to nothing. Sorry, but Ukraine as a country doesnt mean much if it exists or not. It is the not letting Russia win that is the more important goal, and a byproduct of that is Ukraine existing in some form, possibly within the EU, but definitely not in NATO.

Ah... the old "Finnish" argument.

Yes, Finland won by continuing to exist - sure.

The "Kiev in 3 Days" argument is starting to become truly central to the Western line of argument. Even though it was the West that invented "Kiev in 3 Days", it is now using the same criteria to define a Ukrainian victory.

Russia never said it would run over Ukraine in 3 days. We never declared "erasing" Ukraine as the overall goal.

Moving goal posts in this way, does not only insult the memory of the dead - it also insults the intelligence.

BS. Russian imperial propagandists were bragging of capturing Ukraine in one day in their programmes.

You have to draw a distance between "Russian Imperial propagandists", and "members of the Russian General Staff" and "members of the Russian Security Council".

My opinion, a pretty qualified one - is that the Russian decision-making apparatus had more conservative estimates.

They did not expect it to take 2 years plus, but they also did not expect it to take 3 days.

What type of muscle should you have, to completely knockout a 41M strong nation in 3 days?

America could not pacify Afghanistan or Iraq over 20 years.

You said:

Bobko Russia never said it would run over Ukraine in 3 days

I proved you were wrong. Checkmate, mate.


What type of brains did Russian Rosgvardia have when they brought parade uniforms with them for the invasion????
Checkmate, mate.

It shows we didn't arrive there to kill people.

Coz you truly believed it would be all over after 3 days.
All in all, I proved you wrong. Thank you very much.

Who`s next??????