Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8

In what, you fool?

What are we discussing? Can you tell me?

What was the crux of the argument?

Stop dancing around like a drunk ape.

@Bobko
No. It is the realist argument. Russia planned and prepared for a short military operation. They planned to take Kiev in 3 to 7 days. Russia expected open arms and flowers, and they were met with bullets. They got their a$$es kicked outside of Kiev. Russia has totally $hit the bed on this war, and you have to admit it. That said, Kiev, through Z is looking like lying kunts and are risking everything by not following instructions. This war is a lesson in what not to do, and how not to respond. Lots of dead young men for nothing.

One thing we can agree on, sadly.

My brain, refuses to compute what this number of deaths means.

Some people from school, and more distantly are starting to show up dead.

One can't help but think about their families, and the future that was lost.

For what?

@Bobko
I know six people killed on Ukraine side. Each of them under 23 years old. This war is fvcked.

That is as good a definition of victory as any, PolAm. There is one problem however: Russia doesn't plan to spend 30% of their GDP on armed forces, doesn't restore old military districts and make plans for a 2.2 million army, and doesn't build four new armies to end the war now and keep people from dying. They also don't prepare those forces to finish off Ukraine; well, at least not only for that.

The sad reality is that Russia is in it for the long run, regardless of the cost. You said Europe has 6 years to prepare, Polish analysts that I quoted say 3 years - let's say, krakowskim targiem, that we have 4.5 years to prepare for the invasion - what would the definition of victory be then? This all stinks up to heaven, and I can't for the life of me predict the final outcome of this mess.

All wars are f*cked.

My grandparents were of the war generation.

First of all they were f*cked up people. Their f*cked upness reflected on my dad, which eventually reflected on me.

Because parents were trying to save money working abroad, I was made to live with grandparents for most of my childhood. Not fun - let me tell you.

I constantly kept hearing one phrase - "At least there is no war." It meant nothing to me. In fact, in my heart I wanted war. War seemed pure and real, in comparison to everything else.

Now that war is happening, I truly realize the horror and senselessness of it. The fun, cannot compensate in any way for this.

I remember my grandparents, and realize - "this is truly the worst thing that could possibly happen, and it's actually happening".

Russia already won: Ukraine will not be in NATO in our lifetime.
Next: repelling the Ukrainian army from Russia.

That's what I feel sometimes too. That this war would come already and let's get it over with. It's the waiting that's the worst.

As soon as Russian armies start gathering in Kaliningrad and Belarus (possibly Ukraine, if things go wrong there), and Veli comes here telling everyone that they are there only on exercise, I am putting my family on a plane to Ireland and prepare myself for the last adventure of my life. It's all in God's hands anyway, no matter what we, small people, think or say.

It feels this victory came at an extremely high cost.

The only thing that could compensate, is the beginning of some new world. For this, some revolution must happen in the West as well.

I think everyone can sense it is brewing, but no one knows which shape it will take.

You should take care of your health, given your advanced years, so you can be a witness to the fun (read: CHAOS) that will unfold.

My doctors are amazed. Trust me.


Traitor!

Good :)

Yes, you are.

The Wehrmacht called that "Strafbataillon".....


focus.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-krieg-im-ticker-selenskyj-setzt-neuen-gouverneur-im-frontgebiet-donezk-ein_id_57275780.html

9:55 p.m.: On Tuesday, a Ukrainian missile sank a Russian warship in the Crimean port of Feodosiya. It is another setback for the Russian army, which cannot prevent Ukraine from repeatedly striking sensitive blows on the occupied Crimean peninsula.

According to Russia expert Samuel Ramani, Putin is now taking brutal revenge on the air defense commanders in Crimea. According to Ramani, Putin had them transferred to the attack groups in Ukraine - which is tantamount to a death sentence given Russia's meat grinder tactics with immense losses.

twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1740462702290755686?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1740462702290755686%7Ctwgr%5E9e14544c9bf1254b84c91b3dccb8d70b4cf6e472%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ffocus.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2Fukraine-krieg-im-ticker-selenskyj-setzt-neuen-gouverneur-im-frontgebiet-donezk-ein_id_57275780.html

The destruction of Russia's Novocherkaask landing ship is continuing to cause shockwaves

Vladimir Putin is reportedly cracking down on Crimea's air defence forces and sending their commanders to assault groups on the Ukraine frontlines

....but alone the fact (seemingly) that the ukrainian frontlines are seen and treated as a punishment for russian soldiers and officers speaks for itself, truly!

Maybe the Ukrainians aren't the lost case many in the West have come to believe?

It has the same name in Russia. It is a final chance to wash the shame off your hands before the Motherland, with your own blood


And this is rifghtfully seen as a spit in the face of the soldiers that are there - it is true.

In Ukraine, "people" also write things like, "Before they mobilize another 500,000 of us - they should mobilize all the corrupt judges, prosecutors, cops, and taxmen." Alternatively, and even in even more absurd fashion, the so called "people" begin to say that first all the members of the Ukrainian parliament, all the ministers, and all their sons should be mobilized first.

From a political point of view - the problem is clear. People demand some kind of equity in mobilization. However, the sad fact of life is that mobilization usually falls on the shoulders of the poor.

However, treating the front as some kind of punishment is absolutely demoralizing to the men there. They don't want various junkies, alcolholics, corrupt bureaucrats and hooligans joining them in the trenches. They need people that are ready to shoulder the burden, and are not handicapped in any functional way.

The front is made up of the best people, and for "normal" people to talk about it like a punishment is certainly a great shame. The soldiers do not deserve this.

Seriously? Also "Strafbataillon"??? The german word?

There even was a movie "Strafbataillon 999"....


Na ja....it would really be a nice change if Putin sends leaders into the hell, instead of the usual poor foot soldier, who never truly had another option than to obey said leaders!

Yes, but slightly shortened usually to just "Shtrafbat" (Штрафбат).

But the formal world is the same "Shtrafbattalion" (Штрафбатальон).

It doesn't have to be a battalion. It can be a Straf squad, company, platoon, etc.

It's a thing from world war 2, which is very much shrouded in legend. The evidence of it existing again right now, is kind of "mythical". Everybody knows about the convicts, but I haven't seen anyone say that there are real Strafbats made up of officers and soldiers who have dirtied their honor.

*nods*

...hence my posting! Interesting!

theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/28/moscow-court-hands-long-jail-terms-to-two-men-for-reciting-poetry

A reminder of what this war is about - not Iraq or Gaza of homosexuality or even NATO.

The Ukrainians don't want to live in this kind of society - where the police rape and imprison you for speaking your mind

Thoughts are with these 2 brave guys and the other (very small) proportion of Udmurtians who want to breathe free

@Torq
I agree, Moscow in its current state does have eyes on more "prizes". But, Europe is preparing. Not as fast or as much as they should IMO, but they are doing something. Poland sould become a monster in the arms business if it wanted to, if the government would help start more companies for arms production. All the factory space sitting empty in this country could be used for production and storage. In Krakow alone there are probably a couple hundred thousand square meters of empty space that could be used for these purposes. The job creation, export potential, and economic impact on Poland through this would be incredible. If it is coming, at least let some people benefit from it before it happens. And having that kind of production and storage can also make people think twice about invading if you grow the military in size at the same time.

@Bobko
I grew up with the threat of nuclear war with Russia beaten into my generation. Air raid and bomb shelter practice in grade school, practice hiding under desks, teahings on what to do and where to go if there is a blast and you are outside. All the cold war spy paranoia. Poles in our neighborhood being looked at strangely because of their accents and Americans not knowing the difference between Polish or Russian language. A lot of ignorance of course, but also a lot of indoctrination.

This war though is really founded on some pretty out dated and IMO stupid thinking, on both sides. Outlawing or banning the Russian language in Ukraine is stupid, people will use the language they are most comfortable with. Over the course of time everyone would speak Ukraine eventually. Invading, based on this language issue is also stupid. If "ethnic" Russians wanted to be part of Russia, then Putin could have offered great incentives to bring them home and it would have been a lot less expensive than this war, and it could have provided Russia with a lot more people. Regardless of which side you are on, the costs for this war, far outweigh the benefits for any winner. In the end, the only people winning are the MIC and the people who will rebuild Ukraine at some point.

I don't know about the rest of Europe but Poland definitely is. When the time comes, we will put our families on planes to safe places (Poles are everywhere, so there will be friends and family waiting for them all over the world - in my case in Ireland), and dance such a tango with the invaders that they will remember it for the rest of their lives (those of them who survive it). I just wish it would happen already - waiting is the worst.

Patrick Lancaster with Russian 'Wolf' brigade artillery unit in action. About midway through (12.20) Patrick interviews an English-speaking Serbian volunteer about why he is there.



Russia Takes Territory In Intense Artillery & Frontline Battle Under Fire From Ukraine

That is a lie and dumb Russian propaganda!
Hunter changes it into a magic powder and snorts it all up!

Any news on that?


berliner-zeitung.de/news/krieg-flugobjekt-aus-der-ukraine-stuerzt-ueber-polen-ab-li.2172310

Poland reports that a flying object has crashed on its territory. There is a connection to the Russian war of aggression against Ukraine. ...

Ukrainian Air Force comments today on unidentified flying object over Poland


They better be because the U.S. will not be there for them forever.
They need to start paying their own way.


They know whats coming.
Putin will take out London before he takes out Warsaw.


I would take a couple of twenty something slim Polish women with open minds that know how to listen and cook and clean.

Will exchange one 40 yo wife to two 20 yo each? ;)

Well, any Polish woman - slim or not - definitely beats your usual date consisting of a p0rn video and your own hand, that's true. However, I'm afraid that even if you were the last man on earth, they would rather stay home and sew their heads to the carpet than have anything to do with you. :)

:):):) Funny idiom.

Wow, thank you for sparing me the trouble of writing that :)

Don't tell us that you are pussy whipped like the Pawndog is.
Like Adrian said, women like that are the ones that can't get a date.


Hell yes, by 40 they are untrainable and become Karens.

No, johnny, you are the one that can't get a date. :)

Hate to repeat myself, but I will say it again: there is nothing more pathetic than a man needing a woman to be less so he can be more.