Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8

@Crnogorac3

HaHaHaHaHa...... continue to believe your Russian propaganda if you wish..... we know the truth......Russia is losing this war and will settle for a peace treaty to retain the minimal gains they have made.

Hahaha. Do you read, what you write?

Go ask Ukrainians if that would feel like a victory for them.

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In other news, I wanted to write a joke about the incident with the Russian missile flying into Poland. Then I realized, that no joke will be more funny than Poland's actual actions.

I read this on a Ukrainian website, so maybe it's somehow inaccurate. Because it is, truly, hard to believe that this was Poland's actual response.

Poland: We tracked the missile for 40km, and over three minutes. We issued a note of protest to the Russian ambassador. We explained to the Russians that next time we will take decisive actions.

Also Poland: Next time, we'll shoot the missile down.

The entire Russian General Staff immediately sh*t their pants.

I'm afraid Putin peed himself laughing.

"Despite only getting 5 percent of the vote (20 percent in Lviv) they have people on the streets that are ultras, hooligans , don't mind Hitler. Also lots of weapons and they love violence."

What about Polish ultras and those retards that match every year in Warsaw who also don't mind hitler?

I think some of most passionary polish ultras already can be found in a shallow graves in Donbass, so Russia simplified things a bit for everyone...

Ruissian ultras send everyone first ahead of them into the meatgrinder of the trenches including their babushkas while sitting safely 1000 M away from the front lines. Profeeterring from that war! Smart Russian fascist wow!

21 dead Russian civilians in Belgorod. I wonder if the rest of Russia is getting that news. Thats a pretty steep number of civilians to kill, and this kind of escalation could be very problematic for Ukraine. These kind of retaliation strikes can go back and forth, but Russia can out last Ukraine and do damage on a larger scale than Ukraine. I dont think Ukraine should be playing this kind of game with little Vlad.

... including 3 children and 111 injured.


Extremely problematic. If they keep killing civilians, they might lose the sympathy of the world. If they lose the sympathy of the world, they might lose financial and military support. If they lose financial and military support, their government will fall.


Well said, PolAm.

I think that, in the same way as consecutive German governments try to avoid any sort of actions that might be interpreted as anti-semitic (for historic reasons, and fear of being compared to nazis), any Ukrainian government should avoid any sort of actions that might be interpreted as genocide on civilians (for historic reasons, and fear of being compared to banderists).

The Udmurtians are in a war and support that and are then going to be outraged when people die ?

RIP to the civilians who died, but Ukraine certainly doesn't lose my sympathy - they were attacked by an aggressor and they are fighting back

@cms neuf
They may not lose your sympathy, but I promise you that others around the world will see this act by Ukraine as no different than Israel killing all the Palestinian civilians. If democratic governments are to be the leaders, you cannot go around and kill civilians. If you kill civilians after your civilians were killed, you lose the moral advantage.

Ukraine has to be very careful right now. Russia is in a full war time economy, kicking out more missiles than every before. They launched 150 missiles and drones in one night. My guess is they can probably do that at least a few more times. Vlad has already been branded a war criminal so he doesnt GAF about civilians. Z on the other hand is losing credibility everywhere, and most important he is losing it with his own people. On the eve of a new year, Z is no longer a man without questionmarks. What 2024 will bring Ukraine is still very much in question. Even sleepy Joe will have a problem with this Belgorod action, and its not like he is some innocent having been Obama's right hand in all the fighting under that administration.

As Galeev has pointed out, 'sanctions' are not preventing German (and some other western) companies from supporting the russian arms industry.... unless that's stopped the world will have a major problem on its hands... 100 million bloodthirsty violent maniacs who love killing foreigners who reject them and their awful culture....

Polish ultras...



"To nie nasza wojna - It is not out war"

"Stop Ukrainization of Poland", "F*ck UPA".



"Volhyn '43"

"You won't find brothers in a country where there are monuments of murderers"



"Ukrainian media: Legia supporters provoked the opponents by insulting Bandera"

... etc. etc.


You're not only a pervert but also a retard...

PolAm if Putin launched missiles at Krakow, or your hometown in the US would you think it was justified to fire back into civilian targets in Udmurtian territory?

After 2 years of malls, apartments and schools being bombed this is the first time - mainly because Ukraine knows it is a waste of effort and they have better precision missiles

@cms neuf
Where did I say justified? Stop the bull$hit. Two wrongs do not make a right. And in this kind of war, Ukraine should not be doing stupid things like this. Period.

What is "this kind of war" ? How does it differ from the others ?

What is your answer ? If Putin attacked Chicago or Krakow would a retaliatory strike be justified? Because that is kind of what our defense policy includes

It's funny how even russian supporters all realize that Ukraine is more civilized than russia and expect higher standards of conduct...

Everybody realizes russians are uncivilized violent maniacs but the sane people shouldn't fight dirty against the dirty insane maniacs....

Double standartds...

While I don't approve of civilian attacks in general.... I really don't give a r@t's ass what happens to the feckless idiot russians who support their depraved government.

Too funny.... bomb shelters in Belgorod were locked up tight yesterday.... officials promised the situation would be remedied.... sirens again today and.... you guessed it!

russians.... you gotta feel sorry for how stupid and primitive they are....

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1741383607065727330

@cms neuf
This kind of war meaning one that is being funded by everyone other than Ukraine, and one that Ukraine cannot win or survive without everyone else backing it. When Ukraine wants more money from the EU and US, does anyone believe that killing civilians will make that happen more quickly? Is Ukraine "justified" in vanting to kill civilians? Sure, but that doesnt make it any more right. Just because Russia is acting like animals doesnt mean Ukraine has to.

Cant the pedo be blocked by IP adress?

PolAm we will talk over the ***** - it's like when a drunk guy stumbles into your conversation

At the moment Ukraine is in a situation where US and EU politics means their funding is coming to an end. So why shouldn't they change tactics ? Show the Udmurtian people that their government has no air defenses and that they have better weapons. Why fight with one hand tied behind their back against ruthless invaders ?

Their first duty is to their own loyal Ukrainian citizens - not the people of Belgorod. The moral high ground won't do much good if Ukraine ceases to exist.

People in Belgorod who are worried can go to any of the other 17 million sqm of Udmurtia and take their kids with them.

Yes you could go there - I hear Belgorod is nice this time of year, with a free and easy approach to underage relationships

@cms neuf
I inderstand Ukraine's position, and in my opinion, the rules of war are pretty much bull$hit, but those are the rules. And yes, I agree the first responsibility is their own people. But I also think that responsibility means not escalating things to a point where little Vlad goes nuts and sends another group of 150 missiles in drones each day for the next week. I think that by not killing Russian civilians they save some of their own, and keep the EU and US potentially still funding this in 2024.

I am sure Ukraine will get more weapons from the US next year. Cash? I dont think so, and they shouldnt. I think Z will be on a very short leash with the US, and he will get his F16's next month along with more missiles. But if he doesnt make a significant move or breakthrough, then he will be forced to the negotiating table. Biden cannot go into an election in November with Ukraine losing or not making a big move. That will be the absolute end of Biden even though he is probably done anyway.

Zelensky personally gave an order to the head of the Ukrainian State Security Service (GUR), Budanov, to launch a massive AFU strike on Belgorod

This was reported to the media by a source in the security services. The perpetrator of the terrorist attack was the personnel of the national battalion "Kraken" under the command of Sergei Velichko.

According to special services, the nationalists quickly moved into position and attacked the city with MLRS, after which they withdrew to the rear areas of Kharkiv region.

The Russian Armed Forces responded to the AFU terrorist attack on Belgorod by hitting decision-making centers and military facilities in Kharkiv. This was announced by the Russian Defense Ministry.

High-precision missile strikes on the building of the Security Service of Ukraine in Kharkiv region and the temporary deployment point of the nationalist formation "Right Sector" eliminated representatives of the SBU senior staff, foreign mercenaries and fighters of the Kraken unit, who directly carried out the preparation of sabotage on Russian territory.

"US Army General Keith Kellogg and US national security and intelligence expert Robert McCrory arrived in Kharkiv today," Ukrainian media reported the day before.

It soon became clear that the meeting took place at the Kharkiv Palace Hotel at 2 Independence Avenue, which since the beginning of the SWO has been inhabited mainly by wealthy overseas guests, individual officers of the GUR and SBU, and mercenaries from Asian and Latin American countries.

A high-precision missile strike on the former hotel complex "Kharkiv Palace" destroyed representatives of the GUR and the SBU, who were directly involved in the planning and execution of the terrorist attack in Belgorod. The fate of the terrorists' American handlers is being clarified.

So if you were Zelenskiy what would you do ? Sit on your hands and theorize about what suits Biden or Trump or Scholz ? Maybe better to just get on with it and use the weapons they have, fire them wherever they feel like it

Unlike Russia, Ukraine is not independent. That is, it is fully dependent on others.

So then it does not make sense for her to think in terms of "maybe better", or " what is morally justified". The only correct path for Ukraine, and this is evident even to a school child, is to continue conducting the war in such fashion so as not to lose the flow of aid completely.

I'm sure Zelensky and his team, are infinitely grateful that there exist such wonderful fellows such as yourself and Maf - willing to extend to them any credit of trust. Unfortunately, however, it is not with you that Zelensky has to consult (you would bless his every move), but instead with outfits like the US National Security Council. These places are filled with lawyers, that specialize in such silly things as Law of Armed Conflict. Then, they may also need to consult with people at the Department of State. The people at the Department of State, may just be pretty irritated that on top of covering for Netanyahu's genocide, they now need to cover for Zelensky's criminality as well.

So what do we make of the attack on Belgorod in view of the above? Several options are possible.

1) After being relatively passive in the aftermath of murdering Daria Dugina and sending a bunch of Russian neo-nazis into Belgorod under the cover of "Russian Liberation Forces" - Zelensky is back at it. This could mean he has despaired of receiving meaningful tranches of Western aid in the future, and will now give into the animal instincts of war.

2) Zelensky is being a politician. Russia's daily strikes in Ukraine point out his impotency in protecting his own population. On top of problems with his Chief of the General Staff, and the population at large, Zelensky's popularity is plummeting. Not just internally, but abroad as well. Instead of tiptoeing around his sweat stained sweater, the formerly meek Western politicians are beginning to find a voice again. What better, and cheaper method then - for Zelensky to quickly reinforce his support at home, and also show the West that there is no alternative to Zelensky when dealing with Ukraine?

At least, this may be Zelensky's calculus. It is in any case mistaken, as many of the policy decisions of this former comedian have been.

killed by her father... for sure...

And even you realize that Ukraine is inherently more moral than russia....

progress, you might still be in denial or you might be progressing through the other stages of grief....

I realize no such thing. I'm willing to consider that Ukraine may be on a similar level of immorality to Russia - you know, given that we are brothers and all that.

When it comes to armed conflict, morality is a joke. It's enforced on all the mid-tier players and below, but nobody at the top of the food chain abides by it.

I don't know that Novichok is right though, when he says that quick and painful is always better. Quick and painful resulted in 15 years of quagmire in Iraq. Quick and painful, is now losing Israel the last few friends it has, and it hasn't gotten it any closer to being able to live next to Palestinians peacefully.

By killing in two years, less innocent Ukrainians than Israel killed innocent Palestinians in two weeks - we've left open the door to just the type of conversations which are happening in some Ukrainian kitchens tonight.

So the bottom line is - I don't think anything about Zelensky's attack on Belgorod from a moral point of view. I just find it strange that you and Neuf are cheerleading for a strategy, which will bring your golden boy down.

I just talked to the dead Ukrainians...They told me they would rather be immoral and alive.
Wouldn't you?


Never forget that I am always right. I pray daily to be wrong but it's not happening...
Quick and painful is always better than slow and painful. As I said so many times, those mushrooms over Hiroshima and Nagasaki bring so much joy to my heart...

It could hurt him in two ways.

The most obvious, is that people in the West decide that "Listen, these Ukrainians are not that different from those Russians - both murderous bastards. The hell with them and their war."

The other possibility, which is potentially more sinister for Ukraine - is that it will further mobilize Russians. Believe it or not, in some corners of Russia there are people that sympathize with Zelensky, and are not exactly big fans of this war. Well, polling indicates that after each of his little forays into Russia, this number of malcontents decreases, and the number of people that support the war - increases.

It could, but it all depends on circumstances and it is rather hard to predict the future.
I think if Moscow gives up Crimea there is no need for further bloodshed.

A US bi*tch...In its defense, not the only one.

I am saddened to see what is happening to Germany... For some reason, I like Germans...Maybe because of BB...