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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8



Crnogorac3
4 Jan 2024  #1891

ANOTHER AFU POSITION CAPTURED, WITH EXPECTED RESULTS

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EPIC SYNC'D FOOTAGE FROM BOTH BMD-4(?) AND DRONE SHOWING VDV CAPTURING AFU POSITIONS

⚡️🔥🇷🇺 Epic sync'd footage from both BMD-4(?) and drone showing the 108th Guards Kuban Cossack Air Assault Regiment of the Airborne Forces of the Russian Federation storming and capturing AFU positions near the village of Verbovoye in the Zaporozhye region.

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MUST SEE: UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS FINALLY ADMITTING TO RUSSIA'S SUPERIORITY

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Crnogorac3
4 Jan 2024  #1892

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UKRAINIAN MAN FENDS OFF COMMISSARS WITH PEPPER SPRAY

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Bit_O_Honey
The thing is these head hunters have no fear of hunting victims when in fact they should be so afraid of being attacked by organized and defiant citizens that they don't accept the job in the first place. People need to beat the living crap out of these recruiters as a lesson to the rest of what to expect. So long as the people tolerate their tyranny, the leaders will feel free to abuse the citizens. Ukraine...or America, it's the same rule all places and all times.

She's The Black Sheep
Good for him! This video made my day!

"It is us who will find you all soon! Some heroes, four of you against one. Let's meet one on one!" Oh, I like this man!
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He's very lucky to have escaped the henchmen of Victoria Nuland wanting to feed him into the meatgrinder, armed only with pepper spray.

Novichok
4 Jan 2024  #1893

So where is the logic for Poland to fight against Russia? To help in its own destruction.

As Poloniusz has observed, Poland is matriarchal and incapable of cold-blooded logic. That is why "logic" and Poland" should never be used in the same sentence. See the Warsaw Uprising.

pawian
4 Jan 2024  #1894

Poland is matriarchal

Not yet. But we are working on it. Just give us some more time. Like 10 years. OK?

As Poloniusz has observed,

He is negatively biased against women that is why his "observations" are worthless.

Velund
5 Jan 2024  #1895

He is negatively biased against women that is why his "observations" are worthless.

You are negatively biased againsr Russians, so we are not GAF about your opinion. ;)

BTW:


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PolAmKrakow
5 Jan 2024  #1896

Now reports of Iran supplying more missiles to Ukraine along with NK supplying more missiles, and Ukraine has a very big problem. As long as the US and EU are not sending more ammunition and missiles, things get more dire every day. That said, Ukraine's foreign exchange reserves were up 42% in 2023, due to all the billions the US sent. I wonder what Ukraine will do with all that extra cash?

Ironside
5 Jan 2024  #1897

I wonder what Ukraine will do with all that extra cash?

I have an idea. After all 20% of all help is being stolen. I wonder what all the American capital invested in Ukinie agricultural businesses is going to do. (My take as a Polish statesman would be - to eliminate profiteering scum. of course, that is a reaction to Poland's issues).

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the best move for the US would be to make peace with Iran on certain conditions. After all, there are two main fronts China and Europe, there is no need for the Middle East nuisance.

mafketis
5 Jan 2024  #1898

Iran supplying more missiles to Ukraine

Iran is supplying russia with missiles....

The idiots who say that giving Ukraine what it needs to win amounts to 'escalation' ignore that since russia's invasion, Belarus now has nukes and Iran and North Korea are supplying missiles being used against a European country.... (and that's not counting the probability that russia was behind the hamas oct 7 attacks).

Oh and Serbia is backsliding into Belarus territory....

Oh and a russian neo-nazi is saying that russia needs a land corridor to Konigberg.....

Great job, idiots....

Ironside
5 Jan 2024  #1899

Great job, idiots...

ehm... Poland needs some nukes.

PolAmKrakow
5 Jan 2024  #1900

@mafketis
I wrote incorrectly. Meant to say Russia getting missiles to use against Ukraine.

@Ironside
Agree.

Velund
5 Jan 2024  #1901

ehm... Poland needs some nukes.

Poland need more brains and common sense. .

Ironside
5 Jan 2024  #1902

Poland needs more brains and common sense. .

On top of getting nukes, ditto!

mafketis
5 Jan 2024  #1903

ussia getting missiles to use against Ukraine

It's already using them... and GPS disruptions have been traced to Konigsberg.... so great going "realists".....

Torq
5 Jan 2024  #1904

Poland needs some nukes.

Hear, hear.

I've been saying this for ages.

Novichok
5 Jan 2024  #1905

Poland needs more brains and common sense. .

...and a bucket of very cold water.
As I said, being Polish is an incurable mental disorder. Nukes for Poland...and the Baltics, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Germany, Lichtenstein, Austria, Albania...
Did I miss anything? Oh, yeah...a dozen ICBMs and an aircraft carrier group or two...

cms neuf
5 Jan 2024  #1906

Apparently Udmurtia is going to trade "advanced weapons technology" to NK - hilarious to think what that might be as they are still using junk from the 1950s

The first NK missile landed harmlessly in a field

It seems corrupt cruel dictatorships are unable to produce anything that functions properly

Ironside
5 Jan 2024  #1907

.and a bucket of very cold water.

You are not quite there yet. For sarcasm, you need more brains and a valid point.
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Hear, hear.

nukes for Poland and a new set of politicians. Globalsit corpos know your place or else.
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It seems corrupt cruel dictatorships are unable to produce anything that functions properly

Oh, they can, they produce unlimited mystery for the common folk.
Fat leader lol! of NK is just another plumb vermin that calls for culling.
Well, it is not our business anyways.

Korvinus
5 Jan 2024  #1908

If it was up to me I'd say NATO should bomb Russian troops in Ukraine NOW until there are no more Russian troops in Ukraine.

Russia isn't going to use nukes as the NATO would only be attacking Russian forces involved in their illegal invasion and not conducting any offensive actions against Russia that would threaten the existence of Russia. Russia is completely overmatched by Western capabilities, as the war in Ukraine shows. The West completely dominates the escalation spectrum all the way up until a nuclear exchange, which Russia isn't going to escalate to.

The West's concern over escalation has been incorrect, as Putin will back down rather than face destruction. That is what he has always done historically. That western politicians lack of a proper backbone has been my greatest dissapointement with them during this conflict.

mafketis
5 Jan 2024  #1909

ussia isn't going to use nukes as the NATO would only be attacking Russian forces

I wouldn't put it past them... how many citizens did the USSR kill? human lives are nothing next to the glory of empire (in the very sick russian mind). I can totally see them doing something that kills very large numbers of russians (it's not like russians would protest, they don't care either).

Torq
5 Jan 2024  #1910

unable to produce anything that functions properly

Apart from spacecraft, biggest atomic icebreakers in the world, and large cities in the Arctic Circle (to name just a few).

human lives are nothing next to the glory of empire (in the very sick russian mind)

OK, guys, I have already accepted the fact that you won't be joining me in my Russophile Club anytime soon, but let's at least be fair here: if their "empire" means so much to them, then how do you explain them giving it up so easily (yes, I mean the Soviet Union) - most Soviet republics left the SU in a peaceful manner and sizeable Soviet forces calmly left their garrisons in Poland and elsewhere without firing one shot. Somehow that doesn't fit your story of a scary, bloodthirsty, Mordor-like empire.

cms neuf
5 Jan 2024  #1911

Ah yes, the spacecraft

mafketis
5 Jan 2024  #1912

how do you explain them giving it up so easily

I like how the soviet born Vlad Vexler puts it... (other former soviet peoples) have not really dealt with the trauma of the Soviet Union and they carry it around with them and it affects them in various (mostly bad) ways.

russia on the other hand, over the last 20 or so years, have been seeing a very bad analyst who's convinced them that nothing they did in the Soviet Union was wrong and their problems actually stem from the dismantling of the soviet union rather than the daily dysfunction that defined it.

to put it another way.... every country (to work as a country) has a story that they tell themselves and this story changes over time.

In the 1980s Poland's story was "We are surviving until something happens to change things" then it was "We're going to return to our common European home" and now it's "We are safeguarding western values".

I don't know what Ukraine's story was before 2013 but then it became "We're going to join the west!"

As Galeev wrote, until the early 1960s the USSR's story was "We're building communism!" and then when it became all too obvious that that was terrible the deliberate choice was made to change the story to "We beat the nazis in WWII!"

After the soviet union collapsed russians didn't know what story to tell themselves to replace that... "We ran one of the worst countries in the 20th century"? "we failed at everything but repression"? so they're still stuck with WWII... putain's goal has been to build on that and to make their new story "We can repeat!" or "We don't leave our own!" but most russians aren't really buying it in active terms.

russia is definitely a lot worst off than it could have been but that's due to the choices that russians make every day and continue to make.

Ukrainians, like Poles, have no problem in standing up to a government that doesn't meet their standards... russians.... have yet to learn that which is kind of pathetic.

Torq
5 Jan 2024  #1913

@Maf

Your Galeev may be a good journalist (?) but he is a lousy psychoanalist...

We ran one of the worst countries in the 20th century"? "we failed at everything but repression"?

... I doubt any Russian would seriously consider the above as their "national story" merely because it would be blatantly untrue.

The Soviet Union might have failed politically and economically but it had respectable achievements in science (space flight, medicine, engineering), infrastructure or military technology. Also, if you take a look at the beginnings of the SU and at what it was in 1989 then you must admit that it elevated millions of people from illiteracy and hunger of serfdom towards the status of citizens of a moderately wealthy modern country.

russians.... have yet to learn that

They knew this skill in 1917 already.

mafketis
5 Jan 2024  #1914

it would be blatantly untrue.

What would work better, according to you? Something is needed because the invasions will continue until they find a better story....

Torq
5 Jan 2024  #1915

What would work better, according to you?

Hmm... I would suggest: "We worked for the greater good, equality and justice of the world, now it's time to work for ourselves: we have 17 million square kilometres of land - let's work hard and transform it into 17 mln sq km of Switzerland (or just "rich and orderly country")."

How about that for a story?

mafketis
5 Jan 2024  #1916

"We worked for the greater good, equality and justice of the world

That doesn't pass the sniff test..... how did they ever do antyhing good for Poland (to mention just one country)? There needs to be some element of truth to the story or it won't work....

"We need to become a big Switzerland" might be okay.

Bobko
5 Jan 2024  #1917

@mafketis @Kania

Both of you are right.

Russia was ideologically bankrupt in the aftermath of the collapse. Indeed, what could we offer now to the Cubas, Vietnams, and Angolas of the world? We abandoned them, and retreated into ourselves.

Now, there is an attempt to foist the idea of a Russkiy Mir idea on everybody - it's not working so well. The model demands more work and more fine tuning.

The victory in WW2 is indeed used as an anchoring point, for our people that have literally been raped by the 20th century. It's the point around which we attempt to gather our strength, before some future rejuvenation.

That's where I agree with Maf.

Kania is right about everything else. Your attitude, Maf, is xenophobic and primitive Nobody but a blinkered Russophobe can deny what Russia did for the world in the 20th century. Literally lifting billions out of poverty across continents, with no discernible gain to ourselves. You, meanwhile, made sure to profit from every transaction.

We got bamboozled like the last losers.

Torq
5 Jan 2024  #1918

We got bamboozled like the last losers.

Perhaps you're a bit of a Job/Christ of nations as well?

But despair not - wise men will remember the "ruthless soldiers of the orc empire" leaving Poland with smiles on their faces and waving their hands, without firing a single shot to defend their "colonies"...

До свидания, ребята!

... wise men will remember how socialism lifted millions from poverty, illiteracy and hopelessness, and how Poland was transformed from a poor farming patchwork of former partitions' lands, from which people were emigrating to Romania to find work, into an industrialised modern nation; how a country of mere 23 million after WW2 grew to 40 million in 1989.

As for fools... there will always be fools.

Crow
5 Jan 2024  #1919

I think Russia brace itself to expel NATO from Europe. The more resistance they encounter, the more force they will unleash.

Torq
5 Jan 2024  #1920

*crosses himself*

Spit out those words, dobri brate. Such war is the last thing we need.


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