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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8



Crow
5 Jan 2024  #1921

But that is what coming. One of these days it would become obvious. And why war? In some cases would be war, in some cases one bomb would fall and country would either cease to exist or NATO would retreat or both. See, wise would avoid war. At least worse of it. Take Orban. Take Vucic.

Torq
5 Jan 2024  #1922

But that is what coming.

... and who do you reckon will win this war? Realistically.

Because I can tell you who will suffer the most in it - Slavs. Just like WW2 was one huge slaughterhouse of Slavic people, in the same way the war you are dreaming of would cause mostly Slavic casualties.

Crow
5 Jan 2024  #1923

NATO provoked and there are consequences. Slavs suffered, suffer and will suffer but to end suffering NATO must retreat and Slavs must live as free. The moment NATO attacked Serbia in 1999, I knew Russians will come. Maiden in Ukraine and continual NATO encirclement of Russia, followed by hostile rhetoric was the last provocation.

And have in mind. Humanity ride with Russians, not with USA, not with Vatican and not with EU and NATO.

Poland should urgently align itself with Hungary and Serbia. Save itself and even save its dignity. I have been telling this on this forum for years already. One of these days there will be like this or there will be what goes for stupid. Let`s not be stupid.

Novichok
5 Jan 2024  #1924

NATO provoked and there are consequences.

Humanity ride with Russians, not with USA, not with Vatican and not with EU and NATO.

You just became the smartest guy here.

Torq
5 Jan 2024  #1925

Humanity ride with

Humanity never rides with war. Enough on the topic from me.

Crow
5 Jan 2024  #1926

I am very much satisfied to see Africans feel free. Just to mention Africa. Truly happy for them. Colonialism is evil and I am glad that freedom from colonialism coming with Russia. Because a lot of injustice on Africa was done in the name of White race. No, western Europeans aren't Whites. They are degenerics. Even swastika they vulgarized and insulted. They enslaved even us Slavs. And we Slavs ie Sarmatians are givers of White race. We are the cradle. We are the face of Whites. We are bringers of justice and freedom.

You just became the smartest guy here.

There is something in me then but also in this forum. Bottom line is the free spirit of Sarmatism.

Novichok
5 Jan 2024  #1927

Russophrenia: The West keeps painting the country as evil, but can't decide whether it's weak or dangerous
In the bipolar worldview of the collective US-led world, two Russias exist: one is backward and crumbling, the other is a sinister dark empire


That's why I said so many times here and I am still wainting for an explanation from PF Russia haters: which is Russia? Crumbling or an empire ready to swallow Europe?

mafketis
5 Jan 2024  #1928

Crumbling or an empire ready to swallow Europe?

crumbling and not able to swallow Europe but able to do much damage while trying (and they will).

russia is a crazy homeless person trying to tear your house down with a hammer and baseball bat.... they have no chance of success but do you really want to just let them try?

or... russia is hamas, unable to destroy Israel but able to inflict unacceptable levels of damage against civilians

got it or are you still addicted to censored RT?

uch war is the last thing we need.

ha! try to be nice to russia and you get threatened with war.... maybe some day you'll learn

Torq
5 Jan 2024  #1929

try to be nice to russia and you get threatened with war

Threats have not historically been a very efficient tool against Poles. When someone threatens us, we tend to reply with: "we can give you the Netherlands", "bring it on b*tches", "we'll be in Berlin in two weeks" etc. etc.

How it all all ends eventually is a different matter but threats seem to have the opposite effect on us to that desired by the threatening party.

Look at this forum even: which was more effective - Kostya's threats or Bobko's kindness? :)

mafketis
5 Jan 2024  #1930

Bobko's kindness? :)

He supports mass killings of Ukrainian civilians.... not kind.

Torq
5 Jan 2024  #1931

He supports mass killings of Ukrainian civilians

Certainly not.

pawian
5 Jan 2024  #1932

Kostya's threats or Bobko's kindness? :)

The putinists have assigned roles to each other - of a good and bad policeman. Both try to police us on our attitude to Russia. One uses threats so that the other could resort to kindness and captivate our souls.

Putinists! Your efforts are vain!!! I have seen through you!!!

Torq
5 Jan 2024  #1933

have assigned roles to each other - of a good and bad policeman

We have too. You're a bad Pole and I'm a good Pole. You pour hatred on Russians, so I can contradict you and win their hearts.

Balance of nature and all that.

mafketis
5 Jan 2024  #1934

Certainly not.

He supports the invasion and the stated goal in russian state media is to kill all Ukrainians who don't accept the daft idea that they're 'really' russians...

do the math.

I'm not fooled by his 'nice guy' shtick...

Crow
5 Jan 2024  #1935

@mafketis

Mafe, look from this angle. If Russia didn`t move to de-nazi Ukraine and de-NATO Europe, in 50 years Poland and many other countries of Europe and wider wouldn`t exist. Assimilated in globalistic nazi and grabbing EU soup. They would talk to people about democracy, human rights of all kinds, while in fact non-Slavic elites would only care to continue to loot resources like true parasits they are. Sure, real masters would be in the USA and they would continue to talk about the mission the USA has in the world. Mission joke.

pawian
5 Jan 2024  #1936

You're a bad Pole and I'm a good Pole

No, to my mind, it is the other way round. I am a patriot while you aren`t. :):):)

You pour hatred on Russians,

That`s a lie. I pour hatred on imperialist putinist Russians. At the same time I respect decent Russians and I can easily prove it.

Stop lying. You are becoming the same as our putinists. Kto z kim przestaje........

Crow
5 Jan 2024  #1937

At the same time I respect decent Russians

If you ask western European elite what is decent Russian, they will tell you- `Ukrainian`. Same way if you ask them what is decent Serbian, they will tell you- `Croatian` or `Bosniak` or `Montenegreen`. Interestingly, if you ask them what is decent Pole, they will tell you- `French` or `German` or `Anglo`. The principle is the same but technical details differ depending on approach and local tactics.

Novichok
5 Jan 2024  #1938

Assimilated in globalistic nazi and grabbing EU soup.

Crow, your comeback moved the needle here toward sanity in a big way.
It's not Moscow that wants to swallow Europe, including Poland. It's Brussels bureaucrats using their rule-making power and money to terrorize Eastern states into compliance.

If you ask Western European elite what is decent Russian

Soon, these sobs will say a dead Russian. Some Russia haters already did here.

pawian
5 Jan 2024  #1939

ask them what is decent Pole, they will tell you- `French` or `German` or `Anglo`.

BS. :):):) Decent Pole is the one who rejects rightist gangsters and supports what is good for Poland, namely NATO, the EU etc.

Crow
5 Jan 2024  #1940

Crow, your comeback moved the needle here toward sanity in a big way.

I would do much more for Poland. In hell I would enter to pull it out. I would do the same for all Slavs, you know it. But only for Poland and Russia, I can say that we Serbians live ONLY because Poland and Russia wanted we to live. From the height of our imperial splendor as old Sarmatian core, we were put down by the Ottoman invasion and western European schemes but, Poles came. Oh, how they came. Like the sword of vengence and scream of justice. The best of them died here on the South of Sarmatia. Then, later, Russia came, too. Furious and with utter force, mad of the injustice inflicted on Serbians,.. words of Cathrine the Great to the Turkish envoy (when Russia was forced to temporary truce in moving ever closer to the Balkan) nicely describe situation.. she told to Turkish envoy in her message ``we make peace now with you, but eternal Russia`s aim remains final and total destruction of Ottoman Empire``.

It's not Moscow that wants to swallow Europe, including Poland.

It's not even necessary to comment on all the western European and Anglo propaganda and plots.

But, dobri brate, let me use this opportunity to kindly ask you a favor. Please, spread the word on the Russian forums, and find words to explain. With Poles we are incomplete. Same way. Same way as we are incomplete without Russians. Poland needs time. Ignore politicians, think about people. Russia sure can out-maneuver NATO/EU powers and make sure Poland remains unharmed. And, as we Serbians think, it would be even dishonorable for Russia to harm Poland, while we very well know where is center or centers of evil. Evil that molest Poland itself, like the rest of us. Making sure Poland is unharmed would represent the biggest proof of Russia's moment of glory. Truly. Yes, I know, Slavic ie Sarmatian world is so complex. Complex, beautiful and so fragile. We can be harmed from outside but even more serious we can be harmed from within.

And we Serbs know what goes for us. Russians will come, as always, but none can fight for our freedom for us. We are bracing ourselves and, we`ll be ready. Who knows, maybe even Poles come to support us, as they once did when was decisive. No, not once.

So. Respect, prayers, and love, brate.

Alien
5 Jan 2024  #1941

etc

So Nation, God, Homeland, right?

Novichok
5 Jan 2024  #1942

We can be harmed from outside but even more serious we can be harmed from within.

That was brilliant and a copy of my views.

The thing with freedom is that we lose it in slow motion by a million cuts and from the inside. LGBT and DEI crap is a lot more dangerous to us than were Pearl Harbor or 9/11.

Only a bloody revolution can regain it. In a semi-stable society, it's very unlikely to happen. Translation: We are fvcked.

pawian
5 Jan 2024  #1943

So Nation, God, Homeland, right?

Not fekking right.
Nation, Goddess, Homeland is much better! :):):)

Or more properly, according to the Polish motto:

Goddess, Honour, Vaterland.

Novichok
5 Jan 2024  #1944

So Nation, God, Homeland, right?

One day I will understand why you engage this male cvnt.

pawian
5 Jan 2024  #1945

One day I will understand

Of course you will, in your last hour, lying in your death bed, some time before giving out your last breath. Then, all former animosities will cease to matter to you. I promise!!!

You must believe me!!!

hahahaha

Torq
6 Jan 2024  #1946

I am a patriot while you aren`t. :):):)

Idiocy is a bad thing in itself but when it touches an old man it is a truly sad sight to behold.

PolAmKrakow
6 Jan 2024  #1947

It is interesting to read all the comments, and reflect back on all the conversations that have taken place over the last 23 months. The patriotism on both sides really is refreshing whether you agree with the person or not. Reflecting back on my own comments, clearly this is an emotional topic. I admit I certainly made some emotional posts that I wouldnt make today, having stepped back and looked at the much larger pisture of this war.

Some very good points are made against NATO and the European Union, as well as very good fact based points against Russia. Like everything, the truth, and likely settlement lies comewhere in between. Europe, is never going to leave NATO, that is just a fact. It may become NATO without the United States, but NATO is going nowhere. The EU has overstepped what it was designed to be, and economic union, and has become a political swamp much like the US Congress. Russia on the other hand is really a paranoid country that has been paralyzed by its paranoia, and society based on lies and illusions. Putin is just as much a victim of this paranoia as any other Russian. That said, the globalist visions are just as scary for any real free thinking human being as Hitlers visions, and they really are not much different.

A year from now, this war will be over or ending. One way or another. While Russia is prepared for another three years, the EU is not, and the US will not support Ukraine into 2025 unless Ukraine is at the negotiation table. We will have a new President in the US, and while I expect more Ukraine aid at some time this month, the spending will be limited, and will continue to be limited until this is over. For those not in Poland or Europe, the next few weeks tempuratures are going to be fvcking cold like it hasnt been in quite a while. The gound is hard, and if a winter counter offensive is to take place, it will happen in the next few weeks. Meanwhile Russia is buying missiles from Iran and NK, and the US is buying from Japan to send to Ukraine. That says more about the state of the war and the worlds military readiness than anything else.

Velund
6 Jan 2024  #1948

unless Ukraine is at the negotiation table.

Just as an illustration to following - do you know why there was a long "pause" in a POW exchanges between sides? Ukrainian side decided that they is God blessed smartcon masters, and come to agreed place of exchange without prisoners to exchange, but with armed forces.

After 8 years of Western-backed Minsk accords "ignoring" and numerous attempts to deceive later, the only matter that can be discussed - conditions of ukrainian capitulation.

Torq
6 Jan 2024  #1949

By the way, I really admire James Woods for his hard work - he played in all those movies in late 80s (The Boost, Cop, True Believer, Immediate Family), and still managed to serve in the Soviet army in Poland...

James Woods

... the man is a true workaholic.

mafketis
6 Jan 2024  #1950

globalist visions are just as scary for any real free thinking human being

putain himself is a globalist... what part of 'russia's borders don't end anywhere' is not globalism?

Speaking of borders, you were betting heavily on republicans wanting to do something about the US-Mexican border.... what's up with that at present?


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