Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8

I actually walked across that railway bridge with some young drunk polaks.. there was a out of bounds pedestrian walkway, jump the fence etc. there was a few wooden floorboards missing, so easy to miss it and fall right down. just look down when you're walking. it's a pretty high bridge. certain death.

A long one perhaps, given the boost to industrial production. something that will stop the crazies from pulling financial support.

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The reality is that the Udmurtians have lost those assets forever - they fan either lose them now, or next year when they have lost the war and reparations start.

How do you think Udmurtian thieves would have treated Ukrainian assets if they had won their war of aggression ?

@cms neuf
You cant preach about justice, fairness, and laws of democracy, then go and steal things that are not yours. The talk is of taking the money that these assets have made since being frozen and giving it to Ukraine. Taking profits from business, and other investment vehicles owned by Russians is simply theft. Any forfeiture of assets for anyone else in the EU, UK or USA requires due process, and certainly Russia and the people owning those assets should be given due process. No one should be able to take anyones things for any reason. Just as much as Russia should not be able to take Ukraine land. Everything should be settled at the bargaining table.

Justice, fairness and the "rule of law" are the reasons the EU has fvcked Poland for the last few years of PiS. Yet, people who hated that, are the same people saying fvck Russia, lets just take their things? Where is the EU "rule of law" when they do not afford anyone "due process"? When it comes to the "rule of law" the EU has a lot to learn about equal protection and due process. Even Russia allowed US companies to leave with at least some form of due process. Terrible terms, but they didnt just take foreign investors assets.

As much as I would like to see Ukraine win, you cannot say one thing and do another, and expect to be a shining example of democracy. People that do this only strengthen Putins resolve, and the way Russians views the west in general. Frankly asset siezure of this kind looks a lot like the Nazi's taking property and investments of the Jews. In the US this kind of policy was determined not to be in the best interests of the US after the US did so during WW2. Imagine once the war is over and some Europeans are in Russia as tourists, and one of these oligarchs who lost his money sends a message to the EU by killing or kidnapping them. Thats the kind of response that can be expected.

It is not the same - Udmurtian money is mostly stolen from the ordinary serfs and has been used to corrupt European governments for several decades now

Unlike the Jews who had their assets stolen, the majority of Udmurtians vigorously support Putler and his aggression. For some years now the only way to be rich in Udmurtia was to compromise with the murderers.

Finally much of this money was deliberately exported into Europe in order for this oligarch class to look after themselves and buy more vulgar stuff.

Maybe not use it for weapons but rather keep it in trust for reparations. The thing about that approach is that while it was sitting around stooges like Orban could obstruct any initiatives. So better to spend it now and then there will be nothing to argue about later

Tezy:
▪️ Trwająca walka Rosji o suwerenność i sprawiedliwość ma charakter narodowowyzwoleńczy. Ponieważ bronimy bezpieczeństwa i dobrobytu naszego narodu, najwyższego historycznego prawa do bycia Rosją - silną, niezależną potęgą (mocarstwem "dierżawą"), krajem-cywilizacją"

▪️ Rosja stoi obecnie na czele tworzenia bardziej sprawiedliwego porządku światowego (wielopolarnego; w obliczu sypiącego się supermocarstwa - w domyśle chodzi o USA)

▪️ Rusofobia oraz inne formy rasizmu i neonazizmu stały się oficjalną ideologią zachodnich elit.
▪️ To, co dzieje się na Ukrainie jest skierowane nie tylko przeciwko Rosjanom, ale przeciwko wszystkim narodom Rosji.
▪️ Kraje Zachodu nie potrzebują wielkiej, wielonarodowej, wieloreligijnej Rosji, chcą ją rozczłonkować i splądrować. Rosjanie nie pozwolą nikomu dzielić Rosji, ona jest jedna.
▪️ Rosja traktuje jakąkolwiek ingerencję z zewnątrz w jej sprawy wewnętrzne jako agresję i odpowiednio na nią reaguje (ostrzeżenie przed ingerencją w okresie nadchodzących wyborów prezydenckich w marcu 2024).

▪️ Różnorodność kultur rosyjskich nie wpisuje się w zachodni światopogląd, oparty na chęci wyzysku, na totalnej utracie identyczności (chodzi o budowę uniwersalnego człowieka, oderwanego od swojego narodu, jego kultury, zwyczajów, tradycji, zunifikowanego uniwersalnego człowieka, w celu jego podporządkowania i wykorzystywanego w/g potrzeb globalnych korporacji w różnych częściach Ziemi). Stąd uruchomiono stara od wieków znaną nagonkę "Rosja więzieniem narodów, Rosja krajem niewolników".

▪️ Przewaga konkurencyjna Rosji polega na różnorodności, jest ona wspólnym dobrem i należy ją chronić.
▪️ Współczesna Rosja powraca i wzmacnia swoją suwerenność jako światowego mocarstwa (niezależność od globalnych korporacji, Banku Światowego, gospodarki opartej o dolara $, zasad definiowanych przez elity USA) . Dalsza część wypowiedzi mówiła o odbudowie rosyjskiego miru.

▪️ Bez Rosjan jako grupy etnicznej nie ma i nie może być Rosji i rosyjskiego świata. Rosjanie to coś więcej niż narodowość, to także tożsamość kulturowa i historyczna. Putin potępił jego zdaniem sztuczną i opartą o nacjonalistyczne egoizmy decyzję o podziale ZSRR na Rosję, Białoruś i Ukrainę - w/g niego, jednego kraju w ramach ciągłości: Wielkie Księstwo Moskiewskie, Carstwo Rosyjskie - Ruskaja Imperia, ZSRR.

▪️Warto podziękować przedsiębiorcom za skoordynowaną pracę, dzięki wysiłkom państwa i biznesu, blitzkrieg zachodnich sankcji nie powiódł się.
▪️ Rozwój Federacji Rosyjskiej powinien obejmować godne płace dla lekarzy, nauczycieli i utalentowanych specjalistów.
▪️ Na Zachodzie odwołuje się tradycyjna edukację humanistyczną na rzecz kultury totalnej zmiany (LGBT) przez co kultura staje się prymitywna.
▪️ Wzmocnienie rodziny, ratowanie narodów Rosji to zadanie kraju na przyszłe pokolenia, taka jest przyszłość rosyjskiego świata.
▪️ Pokonania najtrudniejszych wyzwań demograficznych stojących przed Federacją Rosyjską nie da się dokonać jedynie przy pomocy pieniędzy, potrzebne są wartości moralne.

Wait a minute please....i see here some contradiction...Since Russians, Belorussians and Ukrainians present triune but still one people, this land is ours....

Fałsz! Walczy się o suwerenność na terytorium własnego kraju.... Ukraina (w jej międzynarodowo uznanych granicach) nie należy do rosji.


Fałsz! Nie ma takiego "prawa"

Is this Putin's 'Mein Kampf'?

What about the right of the strongest? Obviously Russia is stronger than Ukraine, EU and USA combined....

I am tired of this shallow comparison of Putin with guy with mustaches. Can you invent something more convincing?

Would Pol Pot be more 'convincing'?

@ConstantineK
Based on your rant in Polish, you are clearly a brainwashed fool. There will never be a multipolar world, and Russia will fall behind China in a bi-polar reality. Russia's weakness is in its greed and serf like economy. That said, Russia deserves to be able to live as it wants. Its multi cultural "advantage" is exactly what the far left nutcases in the US, Canada and EU are trying to create, and its a disaster, much like Russia is a disaster.

@cms neuf
People in Russia who are smart enough to take advantage of its system and ways of doing business to make profits for themselves cannot be held accountable for the system in which they have to operate. Holding a banker or oil broker responsible for a system they did not det up, makes no sense. You caomplain that Russians support little Vlad, but cheer when Poland supports Ukraine. We expect you to cheer for the support of Ukraine, and I expect just as much that Russians will support their country. Whether I agree with their support is not the issue. The money, that of private persons should not be touched, I think that is the action of a Nazi like government seperating people by race. Russian state assets, those should be held in trust as they are now and not touched. Changing this leaves the door open for China to sieze anything it wants in China that is foreign owned based on this EU action. This sets a dangerous precedent.

It very evidently isn't.


No such thing.

There is a huge difference between Russian multiculturalism and that in the west. Russia is an empire and cultural differences do not play a significant role if you are serving the state. You can profess anything within certain frames, nobody will care. Cultural diversity in the west is just another tool to divide people in the western societies.

imagine what would happen if PiS didn't give a green light to the Baltic Pipe (it was finished right in time)

Shouldn't the state serve the people?

@ConstantineK
Russia has not been an empire since the Romanovs were killed. Russia has been nothing but a nation of serfs to the few wealthy elites. Russia cant even build a decent car, or manufacture its own electronics. They are buying fvcking drone from Iran. Thats how bad Russia is. Please get a grip on your delusions.

Name one Russian who got a medal for raping a child.

Provoking Russia into this war was a very bad idea. Right or wrong, Russia had a lot more reasons to go to Ukraine than the US did to go to Iraq.

Now they know how weak they are and that's why they switched to self-dependence and war economy. One day soon, Russia will be grateful for Western sanctions.

The US did the same thing when it realized how dependent it was on China and Taiwan for almost everything - including those chips we need to make F-35s and toasters.


...is cancer. Addd LGBTs and it's Stage 4.

Not for (at least not officially), but despite:

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-war-putin-medals-bucha-b2060568.html

You are delusional and living in the western propaganda narratives. Russia is building nuclear reactors - more than 50% of the market. The west almost lost its skills in this field. Nuclear technologies, space, military... The west is struggling to produce a million shells a year, the US are still buying russian enriched uranium to heat homes on the east cost.

Hey, Ms. Pee, are you Amiga's POA lawyer?


Russian president Vladimir Putin has awarded an honorary title to a brigade widely thought to be responsible for war crimes and mass killings in the Ukrainian town of Bucha.

"Widely thought" must be a new legal standard in Poland among morons like you.


...because they are busy building the fastest fighter planes on earth.

Highly likely....;))))

There's proof for that it was them - some time ago I posted a New York Times article describing their investigation into the Bucha massacre.

And even just a suspicion of them being responsible for it should be enough for any normal country to withhold any medals for them and start an investigation - which never happened, because RuSSia isn't a normal country.

Rich people in Udmurtia are not like you PolAm - instead of being smart and hard working, they almost all made their fortunes by either brown nosing, theft or sometimes murder.

There are no Udmurtian businesses that have been successful abroad except natural resource companies, Stolichnaya and some amateur **** companies

Putler made it very clear in the early 2000s that the only people who would be rich in Udmurtia were his friends

Bucha-Huiycha suka blya...one big fatty western BS...


The People = The State


You have absolutely wrong conception of absolute power in Russia. I would rather name it The Symphony of Serving idea and it permeates all social strata. You are Polak you simply cannot perceive this idea...

Just like the Katyń massacre, you stalinist piece of sh1t?

Not in r*SSia, where the people are dispensable.

Love you :))) but would shoot you without flinching if needed...boo